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[II-zOoLoGy-II]

Ok.


And around we go again.

A PS4 is different from a PC how?

Besides the fact that you can't upgrade it for at least 7 years?

 

[dhandeh]

A PS4 is different from a PC how?

For me? I buy one, it plays games.

Besides the fact that you can't upgrade it for at least 7 years?

Or need to.

I couldn't give a flying **** about soundcards, graphic cards, etc. I just want a small little box that fits in my TV cabinet that's user friendly, reliable and with no surprises. Obviously I could just put a shoebox there, but I personally prefer a console.

 

[Luminis]

A PS4 is different from a PC how?

It's dumbed down.

For me? I buy one, it plays games.

See?

 

[II-zOoLoGy-II]

Or need to.

Not this AGAIN.

Your definition of "periodically" is what?

You don't need to upgrade consoles "periodically" to run new games? Pretty sure the PS4 has several exclusives that won't be on PS3.... Weird.

The only time you need to upgrade your PC frequently is when you VOLUNTARILY want to max out new release titles at high resolutions...

I couldn't give a flying **** about soundcards, graphic cards, etc. I just want a small little box that fits in my TV cabinet that's user friendly, reliable and with no surprises. Obviously I could just put a shoebox there, but I personally prefer a console.

Thats great....

But I was asking about this:

But what we have so far is all PC based, it may be using the PS4 infrastructure but it is still running of a PC.

So.... what do you think the PS4 is? Big three character abbrevation used at the presentation....

"x86" Do you understand what that is?

Also, what is the PS4 "infrastructure." (oh god...)

 

[Wardez]

And not just x86 either, but x86-64. Yes, PS4 is 64 bit for all dat ram son.

 

[dhandeh]

Not this AGAIN.

Your definition of "periodically" is what?

You don't need to upgrade consoles "periodically" to run new games? Pretty sure the PS4 has several exclusives that won't be on PS3.... Weird.

The only time you need to upgrade your PC frequently is when you VOLUNTARILY want to max out new release titles at high resolutions...

I do like the way you only see what you want to see. I used the PS3 as an example, so 7 years, between upgrades if thats what your swinging for.

Thats great....

But I was asking about this:



So.... what do you think the PS4 is? Big three character abbrevation used at the presentation....

"x86" Do you understand what that is?

Also, what is the PS4 "infrastructure." (oh god...)

Quite simply, lose the attitude.

 

[sesselpupser]

I just want a small little box that fits in my TV cabinet that's user friendly, reliable and with no surprises. Obviously I could just put a shoebox there, but I personally prefer a console.

But if you did use a shoebox, what would you put inside it? You'd have to have a little window on the side of it so people could see into it because no matter what you put in there, it'll be a surprise to someone.

Unless it's shoes, I guess they're pretty ubiquitous contents for a shoebox.

 

[Wardez]

 

[II-zOoLoGy-II]

I do like the way you only see what you want to see. I used the PS3 as an example, so 7 years, between upgrades if thats what your swinging for.



Quite simply, lose the attitude.

Don't bother replying to the questions lol.

Direct X 10 released 2006. Direct X 11 only game: Crysis 3 Feb 2013. You do the math.

 

[Tornado]

So.... what do you think the PS4 is? Big three character abbrevation used at the presentation....

"x86" Do you understand what that is?

That doesn't mean it is fully indicative of actual PS4 hardware. Not saying that the actual PS4 hardware is going to rock everyone's socks compared to what's already been shown, but early PS3 devkits were basically G5 CPUs with a 6800 Ultra rather than CELL with a 7800.

 

[G.T.Ace]

Thanks; you might be inclined to read the AUP.

"You will not knowingly post any material that is false, misleading, or inaccurate."

At least now you know.

Good luck to you.

Clicky clicky: https://www.gtplanet.net/forum/showthread.php?p=8153098#post8153098

 

[Lizard]

Don't bother replying to the questions lol.

Direct X 10 released 2006. Direct X 11 only game: Crysis 3 Feb 2013. You do the math.

No that's 11.1 or is it a dream that Shogun 2 runs DX11?

 

[Jawehawk]

Ok, thanks. I am a PC fanboy that has had 2 360's, 2 PS3's, and practically every console before them.


I am a gamer. Period. But hey, attack the argument and not the person. Such shows a losing battle.


It is funny how everyone comes out of the cracks and attacks me when I show you how not impressive the "next-gen" console is. Funny indeed. Sorry to rain on your parade gents.

What you own has nothing to do with whether you're a fanboy or not. What makes you appear as a true PC fanboy, is that you're constantly trying to start a debate between PC VS consoles. No one in here (from what I've read) has said that the PS4 is going to be more powerful, or have better graphics than a high end PC. That's not what Sony is trying to do with the PS4. Consoles borrow ideas from the PC, but they aren't trying to compete with PC's in terms of sheer power. Doing so would be utterly pointless, as the price would be too high, and the advantages, too small.

Buttom line. No one gives a damn that a high end PC can achieve more. It's completely irrelevant that consoles (next-gen or not) lack the power of high end PC's. So please stop constantly trying to turn it into a PC VS console thread...

 

[Scaff]

Keep in nice please guys or some of you will be taking a holiday.

 

[II-zOoLoGy-II]

No that's 11.1 or is it a dream that Shogun 2 runs DX11?

Direct x 11 ONLY

Hence requiring an upgrade in the form of a new DX11 GPU.

What you own has nothing to do with whether you're a fanboy or not. What makes you appear as a true PC fanboy, is that you're constantly trying to start a debate between PC VS consoles. No one in here (from what I've read) has said that the PS4 is going to be more powerful, or have better graphics than a high end PC. That's not what Sony is trying to do with the PS4. Consoles borrow ideas from the PC, but they aren't trying to compete with PC's in terms of sheer power. Doing so would be utterly pointless, as the price would be too high, and the advantages, too small.

Buttom line. No one gives a damn that a high end PC can achieve more. It's completely irrelevant that consoles (next-gen or not) lack the power of high end PC's. So please stop constantly trying to turn it into a PC VS console thread...

Posting a single screen shot comparing current PC tech and PS4 is hardly starting a debate between the two. In fact, it is entirely on topic since this is the PS4 (which shares the same architecture) thread.... The debate didn't start until someone wanted to ignorantly call the shot "biased."

When Scaff or a moderator tell me to stop then I will.

Otherwise quit acting like you are a moderator that can tell me what to discuss. You don't want to discuss it? Move along. Don't post. You just keep it going by adding fuel to the fire.

 

[Scaff]

The topic stands as long the ball is played and not the person.

Next person to forget that gets the weekend off.

 

[Eks]

Weren't the PS3 and 360's top of the line machines on release?
I don't recall their hardware being criticised as much(praised if anything), it's a shame they didn't use better tech but we are talking about a console, not a PC.

 

[II-zOoLoGy-II]

Weren't the PS3 and 360's top of the line machines on release?
I don't recall their hardware being criticised as much(praised if anything), it's a shame they didn't use better tech but we are talking about a console, not a PC.

They were... ahead of their time in a sense... but were quickly surpassed by PC tech.

The PS4 is utilizing GDDR5 memory as both vram and ram. The benefits of this remain to be seen... we literally have no benchmark data because it is the first time to be done.

 

[gtone339]

Back on topic:

Jimmy Fallon: PlayStation 4 Demo of Killzone: Shadow Fall



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AMD and The Sony PS4:

source: http://blogs.amd.com/fusion/2013/02/21/amd/

Yesterday, Sony gave a sneak-peek at its next-generation PlayStation®4 (PS4™) game console coming later this year and, here at AMD, we couldn’t be more excited. Bringing a supercharged PC architecture that combines next-gen hardware, software, and the fastest game network in the world. Oh, and this is all powered by a semi-custom designed AMD accelerated processing unit (APU) jointly developed in coordination with Sony!

In fact, the PS4 is the first announced design win based on semi-custom AMD APUs. This further demonstrates our commitment to take AMD technology into adjacent high growth markets as we diversify beyond the PC.

What exactly is a semi-custom APU? Let me elaborate:

At the most basic level, an APU is a single chip that combines general-purpose x86 central processing unit (CPU) cores with a graphics processing unit (GPU) and a variety of system elements, including memory controllers, specialized video decoders, display outputs, etc. Our semi-custom solutions take the same treasure trove of graphics; compute and multi-media IP found in our APUs, and customize them for customers who have a very specific high-volume product that could benefit from AMD’s leading-edge technologies.

In the case of the PS4, we leveraged the building blocks of our 2013 product roadmap – the same technologies you find in the latest AMD APUs powering PCs, ultrathin notebooks and tablets – to create a solution that incorporates our upcoming, low-power AMD “Jaguar” CPU cores with next-generation AMD Radeon™ graphics delivering nearly 2 TFLOPS of compute performance! This unique APU architecture enables game developers to easily harness the power of parallel processing to fundamentally change the console gaming experience. Not only creating the opportunity for new possibilities in software design, but also faster and more fluid graphics.

This is going to be a very exciting year for gamers, especially for those with AMD hardware in their PCs and consoles, as we have even more game-changing (pun intended) announcements still to come.

Look for some more exciting things happening at the Game Developers Conference (GDC) in March when we will provide even more info on how we are working with game developers to make AMD the hardware of choice for running the best games!

 

[Tornado]

Why haven't PC makers started supporting GDDR5 as regular RAM? Is it because of how expensive it is, latency issues, or something else? Just curious, since it's been around since the R700 series, and that was quite a few years ago now.

 

[II-zOoLoGy-II]

Why haven't PC makers started supporting GDDR5 as regular RAM? Is it because of how expensive it is, latency issues, or something else? Just curious, since it's been around since the R700 series, and that was quite a few years ago now.

Its suited for graphics processing more than it is for the cpu. It has to do with how the ram is actually accessed by the processors.

Then you throw into the fact you would need memory controllers integrated on the processor or mobo... The cost of this vs the performance gain (theoretically) isn't worth it.

DDR4 will be out soon regardless.

 

[zzz_pt]

PS4 will be great. 16x more memory than the PS3 is just 1 item that proves it. If in PS3 we already have games with amazing graphics and gameplay flow (even if its not 30fps)... In PS4 I just can imagine some of the best graphics and gameplay (if 60fps) of all time for the price we'll get it.

 

[amf7]

Its suited for graphics processing more than it is for the cpu. It has to do with how the ram is actually accessed by the processors.

Then you throw into the fact you would need memory controllers integrated on the processor or mobo... The cost of this vs the performance gain (theoretically) isn't worth it.

DDR4 will be out soon regardless.

Source?

Personally I don't think there's much of a debate between a 1K$ PC and presumably sub $500 Console. You would expect the PC to be better? The worrying thing for me is how quickly will this generation of consoles need to be replaced? I imagine in a few years a 500$ PC will be equivalent to a 1k$ PC today so at that point the PS4 will be miles behind.

 

[Lizard]

The thing that makes me have faith in the PS4 is they are still putting out good games on the PS3. The ps4 is going to be miles better than the PS3 so I would hope the games are better as well.

 

[BongRipz]

"better games" is such a subject term. Personally I have been very dissatisfied with most of the current gen titles on consoles. I think thats what it comes down to really. If you are happy with the games you will be happy with the system. I found way more games I enjoyed on PS2/Xbox1 then I do now. So for me I am a skeptic.

 

[gtone339]

Over time devs, like NaughtyDog, shall push the PS4's hardware to it's limits. Of course at the start they're just going to use at least 10-20% of the PS4's power, producing insane graphics/physics and over time we shall see them producing AVATAR-like graphics!!

Example from the previous gen, by NaughtyDog:

Uncharted 1 - 10-20% of the PS3's power.
Uncharted 2 - 90-100% of the PS3's power.
Uncharted 3 - 100% of the PS3's power.

 

[II-zOoLoGy-II]

gtone where did you get your tickets?

Source?

Personally I don't think there's much of a debate between a 1K$ PC and presumably sub $500 Console. You would expect the PC to be better? The worrying thing for me is how quickly will this generation of consoles need to be replaced? I imagine in a few years a 500$ PC will be equivalent to a 1k$ PC today so at that point the PS4 will be miles behind.

Well, hopefully with Sony's integration of cloud computing that gap won't be quite as substantial.

As far as the source you will have to use Google on that. There is very little information on it being used as system memory and all I know is what I have been told at school by professors and grads smarter than I.

 

[Tornado]

Uncharted 1 - 10-20% of the PS3's power.
Uncharted 2 - 90-100% of the PS3's power.
Uncharted 3 - 100% of the PS3's power.

I don't recall their being one of those on the PS3...

 

[Samus]

Uncharted 1 - 10-20% of the PS3's power.
Uncharted 2 - 90-100% of the PS3's power.
Uncharted 3 - 100% of the PS3's power.

Whilst I agree with the general point that games always improve as a generation goes on where did you pull those numbers from exactly? I'm guessing it has a crack in it...

 

[nealcropper]

Whilst I agree with the general point that games always improve as a generation goes on where did you pull those numbers from exactly? I'm guessing it has a crack in it...

So am I. There is no way that in Uncharted 1 only use 10-20% of the PS3's CPU.