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So am I. There is no way that in Uncharted 1 only use 10-20% of the PS3's CPU.

Ya man. You didn't hear? They still haven't even really "maxed" out the PS3 yet!

gtone is the dude up top in the front in blue throwing up peace signs.

right....................... here \/

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You really can't post this picture enough in this thread.
 
Naughty Dog weren't really credited much prior to the PS3 & personally, I thought their games on PS1 & PS2 were also fine creations. The PS3 & the Uncharted series seemed to have catapulted them to a much higher status as game developers. For that, like many others, I'm thankful, they deserve it.

That being stated, perhaps the PS4 & next Xbox will give rise to other devs previously not credited much, this is what I'm also looking forward to with the PS4 & next Xbox. Let the games begin!
 
Its possible Uncharted used 20% of the CPU,Almost no one used the SPE cores for early games. The SPE's are the heart of its compute power, but the IBM main core can handle basic tasks like any risc CPU. Not saying thats went down but its possible. EA was guilty of this too with the 30fps games only on PS3. Look what they do now... 60 and better graphics.

Same happened with PS2, no one used the co-processor or the Edram until later.

Burnout 1 and 2 are like night and day. For the love of God please give use a Burnout HD collection..
 
Source? :sly:

Personally I don't think there's much of a debate between a 1K$ PC and presumably sub $500 Console. You would expect the PC to be better? The worrying thing for me is how quickly will this generation of consoles need to be replaced? I imagine in a few years a 500$ PC will be equivalent to a 1k$ PC today so at that point the PS4 will be miles behind.

*hint* that's what the G in GDDR5 stands for, a PC has different tasks where regular DDR RAM comes in, the PS4 is strictly handling a highly optimized OS while the remaining memory is available to developers, in short it's more powerful than most PCs out there right now.
 
Any chance of agreeing to disagree?

Look on the bright side. It could be the PC > PS4 "conversation" all over again.

Oh wait....

People, this thread is the PS4 thread. As a former PC gamer who switched over to console gaming, I am fully aware that the PC will always be ahead in terms of graphics. But you know what? I don't care. I don't care that the graphics are better. I don't care that the games are cheaper. I don't care that the price of PC games will eventually offset the difference in price between PS4 and a PC. I don't care where Microsoft put their analog sticks. I don't care. What I do care about is the ability to play games virtually hassle free in the comfort of my own living room. I came into this thread expecting PS4 news/speculation. Around 10% of the content fell into that category. The rest was PC owners telling us what we already know and someone making the argument that the left stick should be where the d-pad is.

I simply don't care. Perhaps you can find some other thread where you can discuss all that, but it's out of place here. Naturally, rival hardware will warrant comparisons, but frankly, people are going overboard.
 
Am I the only one that has picked up on Sony's new buzz word?

"Supercharged"graphics. Was mentioned during the event and again last night by a different person.

The modern blast processing...

My feelings exactly F1 Fan.
 
Look on the bright side. It could be the PC > PS4 "conversation" all over again.

Oh wait....

People, this thread is the PS4 thread. As a former PC gamer who switched over to console gaming, I am fully aware that the PC will always be ahead in terms of graphics. But you know what? I don't care. I don't care that the graphics are better. I don't care that the games are cheaper. I don't care that the price of PC games will eventually offset the difference in price between PS4 and a PC. I don't care where Microsoft put their analog sticks. I don't care. What I do care about is the ability to play games virtually hassle free in the comfort of my own living room. I came into this thread expecting PS4 news/speculation. Around 10% of the content fell into that category. The rest was PC owners telling us what we already know and someone making the argument that the left stick should be where the d-pad is.

I simply don't care. Perhaps you can find some other thread where you can discuss all that, but it's out of place here. Naturally, rival hardware will warrant comparisons, but frankly, people are going overboard.

You know what? I agree.

I don't want I know how much gaming PC's are better than console's. I don't care.

I asked my girlfriends nephew tonight if he was going to get a PS4? He replied:

"Probably not, Xbox Is going to be much better anyway."

I said how the hell could he know that, MS haven't even released any official specs for the hardware yet?

To which he said," even you have to admit that games look better on the Xbox."

So I told him the reason why, because the PS3' cell processor is a nightmare for dev's, so they made some multiplayform games optimised for Xbox and ported it to PS3. I asked him to show me a comparison of a exclusive Xbox against an exclusive PS3 game, and tell me which was better. He refused.

The he said," well I'll probably get a gaming PC anyway, because there always going to be better".

I mean, what the hell!? This is a lad who has a PS3 and no Xbox. He's obviously just taking all the crap people tell him as gospel.

I'm actually exited to see what Ms come up with, if anything at all.
 
Pretty much everyone I know excluding a few will tell you straight up that Xbox is better but then have no "technical" reason why. They will be like oh IDK any of that stuff I just know it's better.
 
About the PC Vs. PS4 discussion. What is important for a console is to use the latest technology they can that will be affordable and can be made more affordable over the years as well as power consumption on release and gaming performance.

What the PS4 has over most gaming PCs out today should be faster loading times (Assumption) with the fast GDDR5 unified memory. It will be interesting to see the impact it has for Intel and Nvidia between 2013-2016. They may have to go onboard with HSA. AMD will most likely be very happy getting the deals they have done with the big players in the console market as all games will be designed to make use of their architecture a lot.

The graphics card in PS4 seems ahead in architecture than anything AMD have released so far in desktop market which is important for a console. If Sony waited a year, then they would most likely be able to fit something similar in performance / powerfuller than a GTX 680 but they are also thinking about the future with the current decision.

Hardware improvements will take a long while to get much more more power to be worthy of a new console, we are talking at least as long as current PS3 generation will have lasted before successor launched. Profitability can be increased enough with current design in future while being fit for purpose in its life cycle. A die shrink is around the corner for the PS4 so in a recession, they can be competitive in pricing not only at launch but much more in the first 2-3 years while being a profitable console. If they waited a year, they would have lost quite a bit of money in both short term and long term for slightly more richer graphics and a console that will be less eco-friendly in its life cycle ;). While PCs will most likely always be more powerful than a console at launch, it is more about the technology being cutting edge at the time which is important. You can always build something like this if you have a lot of money: http://www.top500.org/system/177975 , that argument I think is a bit silly, what is important is the technology being latest, affordable, power efficient and fit for purpose going back to my original point.

About performance top graphics games will use on PS4 at initial launch, I would guess like probably about 100% of GPU and potentially most of CPU with more than 50% ram being used. It should be easy to max out console but all the improvements in future will come in optimising everything for the hardware by improving all artwork and techniques to maximise architecture for games benefit.

About how PS4 might look like, I think they will probably go probably for black colour and might even go for something similar in form factor to this but slimmer:

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What I like about the PS4 as I mentioned in a previous post, most of frustrations in gaming seem to have been eradicated with a lot of wants being fulfilled. I wonder what surprises are left in store for PS4 as they are still deciding on stuff.
 
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Honestly I wish it looked like a modern "fatty" PS2 with that style font and color scheme.
 
Pretty much everyone I know excluding a few will tell you straight up that Xbox is better but then have no "technical" reason why. They will be like oh IDK any of that stuff I just know it's better.
Don't worry, for every Xbox-head like that there's a PS fan that claims that the PS3 has no limitations at all.
 
If Sony waited a year, then they would most likely be able to fit something similar in performance / powerfuller than a GTX 680 but they are also thinking about the future with the current decision.

The Agnis Philosophy tech demo ran on a GTX 680 last year, and just a couple of days ago PS4 hardware rendered the same demo with no visible loss in quality or framerate.
 
I want to know if it is SATA 3 so I can throw a 128 GB SSD on it.... that way you can actually take advantage of the memory. I need a little bit more than "Hard Drive: Built in."

Thanks for linking that.
But, it would be nice if they came out with SATA Express.
 
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Have you ever flown an RCA plane or driven an RC car with a d-pad and buttons? Buttons are not a natural control method at all.

No I haven't flown a RCA Plane but I have a RC Car

I've also used D-Pad and Buttons on NES/Mega Drive/SNES/PS1/PS2 and PS3

So yes in 'my' experience d-pad and buttons are natural way to control and that's why I still use them
 
The Ps3 runs games much better than most PCs with better specs... get it know? and that isnt an actual PS4 game image but a PC with same specs game image.

Slightly wrong,

The Dev kits shipped with 4Gb RAM but the final product will have 8Gb so there's still way more improvement to be made on PS4

:D
 
In the new Guardian interview with Shuhei Yoshida, it was revealed that all PS4 games will be available as digital downloads.
This is a very exciting move in my opinion, and represents a shift even further towards the burgeoning landscape of digital distribution, and away from (what I believe to be) a much more archaic ecosystem in physical brick-and-mortar retail.
What do you guys think? Could this hurt retailers too much?

But there is a long understood rule that should anyone sell their games cheaper digitally then the physical disc sells for Wal-Mart, Gamestop, will refuse to stock it. That would more or less cause a game to be dead on arrival and thus Sony won't do it.

(Source: http://www.guardian.co.uk/technology/gamesblog/2013/feb/22/ps4-shuhei-yoshida-interview)
 
I think that's what cripples the idea. With a digital download you're getting less than you are with a physical copy, you give up any ability to resell or lend it.

Maybe it'd be convenient for some people, but I'd bet that for just as many a 20GB+ download would be very difficult. So they can't kill off physical sales completely without shooting themselves in the foot.

I think it'll be some time before we see digital downloads actually overcome physical sales.
 
Enough of this PC vs PS4 hardware war.
Now it's time of PC vs PS4 software war. :sly:

I mean Destiny and Driveclub looks interesting but early days PS4 could suffer the lack of options compared to PC. How many of you will buy a day one PS4 with a small game list?

pCars Assetto Corsa and rFactor 2 on PC, for simulation users are enough reasons to consider a PC purchase "better" in terms of software, at least on short/medium terms.

I'm not saying PS4 can't deliver gems, they will, but long terms. Will you buy day one PS4 waiting for GT6 like many of you did with the PS3? We all know how it ends up. Is GT6 going to be better in terms of features and content compared to the new PC sims mentioned above?

Another question will this DriveClub be a sort of Forza? Livery editor and customization or what?

PS4 could be a jump in the dark, software wise. Expecially for a racing sim fan.
 
I watched the livestream again and if I am not wrong, they said that the instant game collection will be back and digital games aswell.
 
As long as I can still get physical copies of games, the PS4 is already a seller for me 👍

Also, I have no problem with digital games. Streaming games is what I don't like.
 
I will be buying a PS4 on day one. Matter of fact, I am just about to pay for a pre-order. Not because I am a "fan boy", simply because I am massively exited, because this console has been designed with the developers at the helm. It's going to be amazing.

Also I can't wait to see what MS bring to the table. Exited for the also.
 
I will be buying a PS4 on day one. Matter of fact, I am just about to pay for a pre-order. Not because I am a "fan boy", simply because I am massively exited, because this console has been designed with the developers at the helm. It's going to be amazing.

Also I can't wait to see what MS bring to the table. Exited for the also.

Hopefully they'll come up with something similar. I don't want one console having big advantages over another. Competition should be close 👍
 
Eks
Hopefully they'll come up with something similar. I don't want one console having big advantages over another. Competition should be close 👍

Yeah I think it will be a lot closer than the 360 and PS3.

My only fear for MS is that they overdo it with the kinect. I have heard a lot about it taking up a lot of CPU power.

Apparently it's going to be able to recognise fingertips and facial moods. All speculation of course, but exiting nonetheless. I am looking forward to seeing how they make use of it, because its really gimmicky on the 360, so is the move for that matter, but the move seems to have proper applications in the PS4. Like we seen in announcement with the modelling.

Also I seen in a video that kinect was going to be mandatory for the nextbox. Not so bad if it comes in the box, but we all know that MS don't put things in the box like that, (ahem wireless receiver ahem). Also what if it breaks? Of course it's all just speculation.
 
The Agnis Philosophy tech demo ran on a GTX 680 last year, and just a couple of days ago PS4 hardware rendered the same demo with no visible loss in quality or framerate.
The GTX 680 should still deliver a slightly better overall performance, I think Sony were OK to get similar level of graphical look now at the required thermals and price they want as current generation is slowing down.

I want to know if it is SATA 3 so I can throw a 128 GB SSD on it.... that way you can actually take advantage of the memory. I need a little bit more than "Hard Drive: Built in."

Thanks for linking that.
But, it would be nice if they came out with SATA Express.
It should be SATA 3, I plan on probably getting a 512GB SSD for using on PS4 and using a USB 3 external 2.5 hard drive as backup. It should make for an immensely quick gaming platform, probably faster than anything there will be for many years to come. I wonder if Sony will allow full disc installs of games, if so I might stick with buying discs but tempted by going digital as everything then will be instant access.

Eks
Hopefully they'll come up with something similar. I don't want one console having big advantages over another. Competition should be close 👍
Depending on how accurate the rumours are, it is looking like PS4 has a large advantage and the Xbox will probably go for a cheaper price. Depends on if Microsoft has something up its sleeve to be competitive on hardware front or current rumours are nonsense. E3 should be very revealing and might be more predictable how successful and good each console will be.
 

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