The only time I used CD functionality on the PS3 was the couple of times that I played some old PS1 games. And that was only because my laptop was being repaired and I couldn't play them on there. However, seeing as Sony's been on a pretty good roll lately, I can't see why they'd stop CDs specifically. The spec sheet says how there's DVD support so it's not as if there isn't a red laser to actually read the format. Unless they're pulling the 'you have to buy it again to play it' card, because almost anything can software emulate the PS1 now. I'm thinking there's been a mistranslation issue or some slip of the tongue.
It is a bit of a bummer. I was hoping the PS4 would be a really compatible system (not that it already isn't) but scratching off CDs is the opposite. I use CDs all the time.
Not a deal breaker (for me) though. Also, can't you use an external CD drive as a replacement?
Putting gaming aside is there any other news on what the PS4 can also do as an entertainment hub. Nowadays I use my PS3 more so for other features than gaming.
I don't think there's any solid evidence yet of what else the PS4 will be able to do but I would assume all of the features the PS3 can do (Internet, Movies, Music, Media Hub, Printing images since the PS3 detects Printers and NAS, as far as I know, that's on your personal network, 3D, and probably other things I can't think of at the moment) as well as new things. I assume there'll be some enhanced form of networking with Facebook other than letting everyone know you got a trophy in this game or that game. Especially with the share button on the DS4 and whatnot.
If there was one feature I hope returns, it'd be OtherOS. It could also entice more people to buy one instead of buying a new computer and a PS4. Or something like that.
Wonder what's going to happen to stop pc emulators? Could it be Sony has gone too far the other way?
On a side note, I'm pleased they've gone a more pc route but if both MS and Sony release these similar AMD consoles, to me it gets a little pointless either one existing and only online is the real difference. It's like an admission, going cap in hand to the pc market.
I grew up with competing tech, Japan bringing new stuff, Sony have tried with PS2/3 but failed. Why not just leave it for western companies if every single part, ethos, online code comes from the west. Before, Japan was the trailblazer. Also Ps3 hasn't even sold half as much as the ps2 in Japan, they've moved onto handhelds, it seems desperate clinging on to an old era that's flown the nest. We've already seen how PS3 was woefully inept at being a modern device, the Sony Japan hierarchy have no clue trying to serve the west, now they have US led team leading PS4. All Sony seem to do is retrofit every idea, innovation that comes from outside Japan.
The ipad and iphone was in Sony's grasp but they lack any forsight, the world is passing them by. They really should've brought out a phone with games way before anyone else, they should be leading the smart phone. they couldn't even do a samsung and bring copies.
I'm not buying it, I'm sticking with my PS3 until the prices go down. also because when new consoles come out there are not many good games for it until a year or two
Firstly, how was the PS2 a failure? The PS2 is the best selling console of all time. Secondly, I find it funny that you criticize Sony Japan for having "no clue how to serve the west" while making incorrect statements about gamers in Japan. Believe it or not, whenever you walk into a game store in Japan, you are immediately in the console section. The handheld stuff is always up/down the stairs, or in the back of the store. Yes, handhelds are increasing in popularity in Japan, but the actual home console market is healthy. As for Handhelds, if Sony actually manage to capitalize on the "play your ps4 games on the Vita" claim, they are in a very good position to expand their handheld userbase.
1.84 TFLOPS Radeon GPU. Radeon HD7850 is 1.74 TFLOPS and Radeon HD7870 is 2.56 TFLOPS. AMD already has 8-core CPUs (well not exactly since every 2 cores share resources) so it's natural to assume that.
1.84 TFLOPS Radeon GPU. Radeon HD7850 is 1.74 TFLOPS and Radeon HD7870 is 2.56 TFLOPS. AMD already has 8-core CPUs (well not exactly since every 2 cores share resources) so it's natural to assume that.
1.84 TFLOPS Radeon GPU. Radeon HD7850 is 1.74 TFLOPS and Radeon HD7870 is 2.56 TFLOPS. AMD already has 8-core CPUs (well not exactly since every 2 cores share resources) so it's natural to assume that.
The FX8350 is a high end i7-rivalling processor, not the Intel Atom rival that Jaguar is going to be. As for the GPU, it's undisclosed so far so I won't comment on that, but it would be odd to partner a Netbook APU to an off-the-shelf PC GPU like a 7850, I'm sure it'll be similarly specifically built for the task but we'll have to wait and see. I think Sony are waiting for Microsoft to play their hand before they announce what it is exactly.
Also I thought it was 1.84TFLOPS combined between the APU and GPU, not just 1.84TFLOPS on the GPU alone. I need to re-watch the announcement because my stream was cutting out during the tech bit but I'm sure that's what he said. I might be wrong though, as I said my stream was terrible at that point.
The FX8350 is a high end i7-rivalling processor, not the Intel Atom rival that Jaguar is going to be. As for the GPU, it's undisclosed so far so I won't comment on that, but it would be odd to partner a Netbook APU to an off-the-shelf PC GPU like a 7850, I'm sure it'll be similarly specifically built for the task but we'll have to wait and see. I think Sony are waiting for Microsoft to play their hand before they announce what it is exactly.
Also I thought it was 1.84TFLOPS combined between the APU and GPU, not just 1.84TFLOPS on the GPU alone. I need to re-watch the announcement because my stream was cutting out during the tech bit but I'm sure that's what he said. I might be wrong though, as I said my stream was terrible at that point.
FX8350 is not an i7 competitor, especially for games. AMD uses very very similar CPU architecture across the its CPU line, the 2nd generation APUs are FX chips with an iGPU replacing L3 cache.
FX8350 is not an i7 competitor, especially for games. AMD uses very very similar CPU architecture across the its CPU line, the 2nd generation APUs are FX chips with an iGPU replacing L3 cache.
His point, I believe, is that Sony's not gonna be able to put something along the lines of AMD's high-end CPU into the PS4, whether it's competitive with the i7 or not.
Also, APU or not, the Jaguar has been rumoured to power both the next PS3 and the next Xbox, so it still seems most likely, in my opinion. Price wise, too.
His point, I believe, is that Sony's not gonna be able to put something along the lines of AMD's high-end CPU into the PS4, whether it's competitive with the i7 or not.
Also, APU or not, the Jaguar has been rumoured to power both the next PS3 and the next Xbox, so it still seems most likely, in my opinion. Price wise, too.
His point, I believe, is that Sony's not gonna be able to put something along the lines of AMD's high-end CPU into the PS4, whether it's competitive with the i7 or not.
Also, APU or not, the Jaguar has been rumoured to power both the next PS3 and the next Xbox, so it still seems most likely, in my opinion. Price wise, too.
This is what I was getting at, yeah. The FX8350 is an octo-core Piledriver (successor to Bulldozer)-based processor priced to match the i7, what's what I meant by rival. It'll have similar power and therefore cooling requirements and is generally way too expensive to put in a console.
The Jaguar architecture is AMD's latest generation equivalent to the Intel Atom processors, and I'm fairly sure Sony confirmed the PS4 is Jaguar, didn't they? I'd have to check, I'm getting all this fact and rumour confused. Either way, it's a pretty sure thing it's Jaguar.
PS4 is appearing less impressive the more i learn about it. CPU is still x86 right? I'm on my 4th Gen iPod Touch so it's more of a hassle for me to search. It would be amazing to emulate PS4 since this would make it easier.
PS4 is appearing less impressive the more i learn about it. CPU is still x86 right? I'm on my 4th Gen iPod Touch so it's more of a hassle for me to search. It would be amazing to emulate PS4 since this would make it easier.
GDDR=/=DDR
GDDR5 is based on DDR3. Samsung has really nice RAM kits that use failed graphics card RAM. The 8GB of GDDR5 is there to prevent any RAM bottlenecks that APUs may have, especially since the GPU will be relatively high performance compared to conventional desktop APUs.
GDDR=/=DDR
GDDR5 is based on DDR3. Samsung has really nice RAM kits that use failed graphics card RAM. The 8GB of GDDR5 is there to prevent any RAM bottlenecks that APUs may have, especially since the GPU will be relatively high performance compared to conventional desktop APUs.
Yes, I know, the extra memory bandwidth is why I'm wondering whether we can possibly run an emulator at a decent speed. Particularly since the generic 2012 gaming PC is a 3570k with 8GB DDR3 and a GPU with 2-3GB GDDR5.
I asked around at the Sony Central Store today about the PS4 Price, and 2 of the guys told me it probably won't cost more then AU$500, otherwise nobody will buy it. Keep in mind that the Australian launch price for the PS3 was $1000, so that is very exciting news for an Australian such as myself! I'm thinking it's going to be $300 in the USA, sinhce the PS3 was $600 when it launched.
