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I for one don't want one console to outperform the other by a mile. Competition should be close.
 
SimonK
But if you're not planning to buy a 360 successor why would you care which was more powerful? Just buy your Playstation and be happy with it.
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Correct me if I'm wrong but I never said I wasn't planning on buying a 360 successor.;)
Also I never said I was buying a PS buy which you mean PS4.;)
So all in all your trying to tell me what to do and presuming that I won't buy a 360 successor and that I'll only buy a PS4.
I'll be happy when people stop making outrageous statements.;)
 
stiggygonzalez
Correct me if I'm wrong but I never said I wasn't planning on buying a 360 successor.;)
Also I never said I was buying a PS buy which you mean PS4.;)
So all in all your trying to tell me what to do and presuming that I won't buy a 360 successor and that I'll only buy a PS4.
I'll be happy when people stop making outrageous statements.;)
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It's not hard to make that judegment on your previous posts. So you're thinking about buying both but you want the PS4 to be more powerful because you like them more than MS? Is that more accurate?
 
I think I've said it before but I'm so glad they got rid of those indents around the two faces, they collect so much finger dirt.
 
Saidur_Ali
This article reveals more about things about PS4: Link
Good to know the digital buttons were done to cut down latency.
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I never knew the buttons were analog ehem

SimonK
I think I've said it before but I'm so glad they got rid of those indents around the two faces, they collect so much finger dirt.
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This plus a million,big pain to clean them as well
 
SimonK
I think I've said it before but I'm so glad they got rid of those indents around the two faces, they collect so much finger dirt.
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Totally agree. Seemed like after the PS1, the remotes got harder to clean.
 
stiggygonzalez
Sorry but I've seen this term used before but can you just clarify what you mean or should I just take literally?
Anyway I care because I like SONY products including the PS3 and have had very few problems,wheras MS on the other hand I've had many problems/gripes with their software,so I'm little biased towards their products in the same way I prefer Lamborghini to Ferrari if that answers your question.
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Just curious as to what problems you've had with your Ferrari and which model? Which lambo did you go for?

Just interested. Sorry for OT.
 
Slashfan
I'd rather have the analog, pressure sensitive buttons honestly.
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You'd choose a rarely used gimmick over lower latency controllers? I'm struggling to understand why, to be honest. In the DS3, 8-bit ADC (analogue to digital converter)s were used for the four face buttons, the four D-pad directions, L1 and R1; that's 8 bytes of data which are used by an overwhelming majority games to simply tell whether a button is being pressed or not, not how hard it's being pressed. Switching to digital drops the requirement to just 10 bits.

To demonstrate, this is what the controller has to read when it has analogue buttons:

X: 0000 0000
O: 0000 0000
Square: 0000 0000
Triangle: 0000 0000
Up: 0000 0000
Down: 0000 0000
Left: 0000 0000
Right: 0000 0000
L1: 0000 0000
R1: 0000 0000


With digital buttons:

X: 0
O: 0
Square: 0
Triangle: 0
Up: 0
Down: 0
Left: 0
Right: 0
L1: 0
R1: 0.

Bearing in mind that it works in cycles, meaning it has to read one button at a time (and one bit at a time, at that) and go through all of the buttons before it can loop back to the first button again, you can see where the latency comes into it.

It seems to me that although the DS3 could handle analogue buttons with little noticeable hardware-level lag, to add a trackpad, improved vibration motors and better motion sensing components into that mix would've killed the response time, so I think removing the analogue buttons was a very good move.
 
Eks
I for one don't want one console to outperform the other by a mile. Competition should be close.
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I wouldn't mind it. It would certainly make the choice of which one I want to buy a lot easier.
 
Playing older games with that controller is going to be very hard though. I remember a lot of platform games that use the different pressure to determine jump height and that sort of thing.
 
Correct me if I'm wrong (probably am) but, wasn't "Crash Bandicoot" one of the games that relied on how much pressure you exerted on "X" to jump.

Games like that bring down the reliability of controllers. I remember the time when I nearly broke my PS2 controller due to that type of system. I stopped pkaying that game immediately...
 
Although pressure sensitivity was a cool feature at the time, my family has lost too many controllers to the wear and tear they take. :indiff: Getting rid of that would be nice, it's beginning to happen to my brother's PS3 controller.
 
Just something I have been thinking about for year. Correct me if I'm wrong but I really want to know.

A Playstation, in this case the PS4, doesn't have to be as powerfull as a recent gaming pc to have the same gaming power, because a pc has other applications running in the background and AFAIK, a PS hasn't.

Is my assumption correct or isn't it that simple?
 
^ Pretty much. A PC is a general purpose computer, consoles are embedded computers with only one real task. Well, that's less true now than it was but you won't find consoles running code they don't need to be running for the task at hand, so more processing power can be used for the actual playing of games.
 
SimonK
It's not hard to make that judegment on your previous posts. So you're thinking about buying both but you want the PS4 to be more powerful because you like them more than MS? Is that more accurate?
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I never said I want the PS4 to be more powerful either.
This is the PS4 thread right?So I'm going to talk more about and be biased about it a little because we know about it and not MS' system so far and also taking into account I have a PS3 and various software from SONY and MS.
Yes I prefer SONY at the moment but I'll try and keep an open mind and see how things turn out.
 
neema_t
^ Pretty much. A PC is a general purpose computer, consoles are embedded computers with only one real task. Well, that's less true now than it was but you won't find consoles running code they don't need to be running for the task at hand, so more processing power can be used for the actual playing of games.
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In addition to what neema said, consoles only consits of one type of hardware, so can developers can optimise their games for that hardware far better than on a PC. PCs do come in all sorts of flavuors, after all. Dozens of CPUs, GPUs, RAM configurations, motherboards and so on.
 
Spagetti69
Just curious as to what problems you've had with your Ferrari and which model? Which lambo did you go for?

Just interested. Sorry for OT.
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I don't mean literally,I don't actually have a Ferrari or Lamborghini.
Just an example like I prefer jam over margarine.:)
 
Luminis
In addition to what neema said, consoles only consits of one type of hardware, so can developers can optimise their games for that hardware far better than on a PC. PCs do come in all sorts of flavuors, after all. Dozens of CPUs, GPUs, RAM configurations, motherboards and so on.
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Oh yeah, there's that too. It's the same reason why Apple hardware and software is said to 'just work' (whether that's true or not is a matter for another thread) because Apple knows exactly what the most common Mac configuration is and all that. By contrast, there must be billions of PC component combinations out there nowadays. With the consoles there's only one possible setup for each manufacturer, but even the Xbox faces such dilemmas as: Does the player have Kinect? A hard drive? HDMI? Wireless controllers? Wi-fi? The PS3 had all of that (well, not Kinect) from day one, I still have a 360 Core which uses Component, didn't come with a hard drive, doesn't have wireless controllers nor does it have wi-fi... But my 360 Core has the same amount of RAM and runs at the same speed as a brand new 360 and all of that.

Also, just look at any Nvidia (and probably AMD) driver update patch notes, you'll see things like "60% increase in Tomb Raider with a GTX 680" and stuff like that. You don't really see that in console patch notes, it might've happened a few times but it's not an ongoing monthly thing where every new game needs a concurrent driver update (or several). If you're a console player and you want to feel really smug about not having to deal with drivers and updates, look up what happened when Rage was released.


I was just doing so and found this on the Wikipedia page for Rage, seems relevant:

"At QuakeCon 2011, Carmack offered many technical insights of the development and differences between the three main platforms (Windows, Xbox 360, PlayStation 3), noting that it was not easy developing such an optimized engine to be able to smoothly run on consoles and still having the best artistically looking game on consoles. He also affirmed that the PC platform at the time was as much as 10 times faster than the current generation of gaming consoles, but this did not mean 10x the performance because of the extra layers of abstraction found in PC compatible operating systems."
 
Some more info about that in old articles:
AMD
Carmack

It is quite interesting that DirectX holds developers back so much on PCs. We know for PS4, you can code directly to the metal as they say. That may be another advantage. Will be interesting to see what can be done with a GPU slightly more powerful than a 7850.
 
If any of you haven't seen this its pretty hilarious, it's funny because its true :lol:

Warning, some language in the vid.

 
That was what i was saying all the time. New dualshock controller announcement. :indiff: I like that it's wider, it has those nifty new knobs. And it could be used with PS4 in the future, when it's going to be announced, and shown.
 
Toronado
Did you just use a satirical video as proof of your nonsense claim that the PS4 hasn't been announced?
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There is no reasoning with him. Dictionary definitions and the world's media had absolutely zero effect on him.
 
UE4 Elemental Demo (PS4 extended version, decrease in particle effects amongst other things)


PC Elemental Demo


New UE4 Tech Demo (GTX 680)
 
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