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Call of duty Ghost and Battlefield 4 will be 60fps on PS4 and XOne. Why don't people understand it's all in how the game is designed. Every game doesn't have to be 60fps.

My PC runs Skyrim at 60 but I play on my laptop more and it runs at 25-30 on High with GFX mods. The gameplay feels no different and it looks exactly the same.
 
Ranman20
This has to be a rumor. I think the PS 4 can do more than 1080p and 30 fps. I thought the PS4 can do 60 fps and run up to 4K resolution.
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If I remember correctly, only movies will be playable in 4k, not games.
 
Noob616
The reality is 1080p at 30fps is pretty poor for gaming in 2013.
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How so?

Do you know what type of PC it takes to run Crysis 3 at 1080p and 60fps on max settings? You're looking at a $400 GPU minimum. And thats just the GPU.

30fps games will be here in 10 years. They will still be here in 20 years. They're never going away as long as the developer's vision exceeds the hardware.

PS3 launch titles

30fps - Motorstorm
30fps - Resistance Fall of Man
30fps - Formula One Championship Edition
30fps - Madden NFL 2007

Even back then all the big titles launched at 30fps on supposedly more up to date hardware then the PS4.
 
Don't if I asked this already, but what exactly is this big deal regarding 4K (for that matter, what the hell is 4K?) and why do some people seem to want it a lot?
 
RACECAR
Don't if I asked this already, but what exactly is this big deal regarding 4K (for that matter, what the hell is 4K?) and why do some people seem to want it a lot?
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4K is a huge and awesome resolution, offering a crystal clear picture. Granted, I've never actually seen it in person, so I'm just writing what I've read. :)

In the future, it could supposedly replace the current Full HD resolution.
 
Jawehawk
4K is a huge and awesome resolution, offering a crystal clear picture. Granted, I've never actually seen it in person, so I'm just writing what I've read. :)

In the future, it could supposedly replace the current Full HD resolution.
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And I bet almost nobody here does really have an appropriate TV for this. It's at minimum 1 generation too early.
 
4k resolution will only be very marginally better than current HD, and then only with 60"+ displays at less than ~8ft away. (pointless for most of us as far as TV quality goes)

OLED, on the other hand...
 
Ranman20
Only movies have done it. Games- maybe in 5-10 years, super computers can probably do it. And there are a few TVs that can hit 4K resolution.

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/4K_resolution
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PC gaming is already doing it. I can play Dead Space 1-3, Resident Evil 5 Devil May Cry Mass Effect 1-3 and 100s more at 4k res with a GTX 580 which is mid range now. Crysis 3 on high settings can be played at 4k on one GTX titan at 30fps.

You can buy a 4k TV for $900 and Asus just released a 4K 60hz monitor for around $3000

The one thing holding back production is HDMI 2.0 which is said to coming in a month or two. To get 4k at 60hz now you need two dvi cables or display port but oddly consumer devices don't often come with display port.

HDMI 2.0 will offer 60hz at 4k, current HDMI can't do that in one cable.
 
dudeondacouch
4k resolution will only be very marginally better than current HD, and then only with 60"+ displays at less than ~8ft away. (pointless for most of us as far as TV quality goes)

OLED, on the other hand...
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I was expecting to be underwhelmed when sighting my first 4K tv, but was actually quite impressed. That, from a mere Goldstar (ah... LG), with massive oversharpening, horrifically garish dynamic contrast, and woeful colour representation.

As you rightly point out though, view distance is key. There will also be a point where the view distance required to resolve detail will be to the detriment of the gamer. Basically, as we are drawn in to greater and greater detail, the periphery is compromised. In my opinion, 1080p is plenty o' resolution.

I do look forward to oled blacks.
 
LeMansAid
I do look forward to oled blacks.
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I haven't seen an OLED TV yet (if there are any) but the PSVITA does have an OLED display, and although the graphics aren't as good as Sony claimed in terms of image quality, but the colours themselves are fantastic, and the black's are the darkest I've seen on a screen to date.

I recently just switched from an ALBA 22" traditional LCD TV to a 24" Logik LED backlit display and I'm very happy that I did. I didn't think there would be much difference, but the image is so much clearer and sharper, and the colours are absolutely fantastic. The only downside is the sound quality, which is really 'tinny'.



Anyway... I know this is probably not the most likable game in this forum but Call of Duty really doesn't get the praise it deserves from gamer's in terms of visuals. It is one of very few games that runs at 1080p and in 60fps, and I must say I've never seen the frame-rate drop low enough to notice when playing it.

I know that these games are early releases for next gen, but it seems odd that gaming in terms of graphics has gone backwards or at least halted, as they are all running at 30fps still.

I am by no means a hardware expert so I've likely missed something vital. :dunce:
 
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Ryanswannell
I know this is probably not the most likable game in this forum but Call of Duty really doesn't get the praise it deserves from gamer's in terms of visuals. It is one of very few games that runs at 1080p and in 60fps, and I must say i've never seen the frame-rate drop low enough to notice when playing it.
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That would be because CoD looks and plays like utter 🤬.
Same garbage realeased every single year. A cancer to the gamer industry.

Their presentation back at the XBOX One conference was laughable, showing their completely lack of innovation and competence in every single department. Talking about idiotic crap like fish moving away when you swim towards them, as if that was some new and mindblowing AI. Pathetic.

CoD is pathetic and deserves no praise. The day the franchise is canned, as well as the people who make it, is the day the game industry becomes 10 times better.
 
Maybe gaming at 4K on next-gen consoles could happen a few years into the life of the console. When devs optimize their games they could do the whole GT5 upscale/stretch thing and make it 4K.

Just maybe, I'm not really an expert on things. :D
 
kennylmao
Maybe gaming at 4K on next-gen consoles could happen a few years into the life of the console. When devs optimize their games they could do the whole GT5 upscale/stretch thing and make it 4K.

Just maybe, I'm not really an expert on things. :D
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Nope. Ain't happening. It's far beyond next gen capabilities.
 
Most PS4/Xbox One games won't even run at 60fps at 1080p. Games at 4k on that hardware would be a powerpoint presentation.
 
HDMI 1.4 (which is what the PS4 uses, assuming the datasheet it was noted on wasn't fake, and HDMI 2.0 isn't ready yet) can only do 4K at 24fps anyway. Fine for pre-rendered 4K video, games though? Not so much.
 
Samus
Exactly. I thought this 4k fallacy died the day Sony said no to 4k games, obviously it hasn't.
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It's what journalists call silly season, the time of year when there's nothing really to report or talk about - that's my guess.
 
Ryanswannell
Anyway... I know this is probably not the most likable game in this forum but Call of Duty really doesn't get the praise it deserves from gamer's in terms of visuals. It is one of very few games that runs at 1080p and in 60fps, and I must say I've never seen the frame-rate drop low enough to notice when playing it.

I know that these games are early releases for next gen, but it seems odd that gaming in terms of graphics has gone backwards or at least halted, as they are all running at 30fps still.

I am by no means a hardware expert so I've likely missed something vital. :dunce:
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Consoles run Call of Duty at 600p or worse

Call of Duty: Black Ops = 960x544 (2xAA)
Call of Duty: Black Ops 2 = 880x720
Call of Duty: Modern Warfare = 1024x600 (2xAA)
Call of Duty: Modern Warfare 2 = 1024x600 (2xAA)
Call of Duty: Modern Warfare 3 = 1024x600 (2xAA)
Call of Duty: World at War = 1024x600 (2x AA)
 
chromatic9
Consoles run Call of Duty at 600p or worse

Call of Duty: Black Ops = 960x544 (2xAA)
Call of Duty: Black Ops 2 = 880x720
Call of Duty: Modern Warfare = 1024x600 (2xAA)
Call of Duty: Modern Warfare 2 = 1024x600 (2xAA)
Call of Duty: Modern Warfare 3 = 1024x600 (2xAA)
Call of Duty: World at War = 1024x600 (2x AA)
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Ok, my bad, I just assumed it ran at 1080p because the resolution specs on the back of the case say so, as well as the tv when then the game starts up.:dunce:.
On that note, are any console games truly 1080p, as I also heard Gt5 is just 'stretched' into a 1080p resolution?
 
Very, very few because it's so demanding. Rayman Origins is one I know that is native 1080p. Arcade/PSN games are more common at 1080p as they're usually a lot less demanding visually.
 
I was astonished when I noticed The Last of Us ran at 720p, as it is probably the best game in terms of visuals that I have had first hand experience of playing. I would love to see what a demanding game running at a true 1080p looks like (though im sure PC's can manage it).
 
I always thought Wipeout HD is true 1080p, but then I thought about it and realised that that's just crazy, why and how could it be truly 1080p60 when so many other games aren't, and struggle to even top 60fps at 720p? Then I found this: http://www.gamersglobal.com/news/1336. Apparently it is truly 1080p - except for when it isn't - because it dynamically adjusts the resolution on a frame-by-frame basis. That, ladies and gentlemen, is smart use of limited resources.
 
Ryanswannell
I was astonished when I noticed The Last of Us ran at 720p, as it is probably the best game in terms of visuals that I have had first hand experience of playing. I would love to see what a demanding game running at a true 1080p looks like (though im sure PC's can manage it).
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Thats because resolution matters little when it comes to overall picture quality. Higher resolution is nice to have, but doesn't make the game at the end of the day. Take wipeout for example, you'd probably be hard pressed to tell the difference between 720p and 1080p resolutions on a tv.
 

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