POLL: Bring Back Shuffle Racing In GT6! (it's possible again in GT5, see post 330)
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- Sick_Cylinder
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- Vermont, USA
- GTP_Superwally, supahwally
Shuffle is the only online racing I participated in. I was really looking forward to an updated version in GT6, shame they left it out and hope they have a planned replacement.
That being said, I can see why they may have left it out. On any given evening, there would be 20-30 'standard' rooms for every 1 shuffle room. Maybe PD thought it wasn't being used and gave up. Too bad, the people who used it were passionate about it, and generally very good clean racers.
That being said, I can see why they may have left it out. On any given evening, there would be 20-30 'standard' rooms for every 1 shuffle room. Maybe PD thought it wasn't being used and gave up. Too bad, the people who used it were passionate about it, and generally very good clean racers.
- 214
- St. Louis
- Fame_Mcswagg
I didn't do any shuffle racing in GT5 so forgive my ignorance, what exactly was it? Was it added in a later patch?
- 33
- B-ham, WA
- SAMIboarder
Agreed to all! PD please bring back shuffle racing online! these made up some of the best rooms for pure racing with evenly matched cars, and the variety is what made it great. spec racing is one thing, but it does get old if it is never mixed up.
- 819
- Kingdom of Fife
- jackargent
I agree with all of the above.
- 6,392
- Pennsylvania
- wat3rm370n
Yes, the biggest issue here goes beyond that Shuffle was just a very interesting option of gameplay.
It's that Shuffle was the best option for casual players with limited time to participate in online racing on the fly.
And Kaz Yamauchi himself said that they recognize casual players:
https://www.gtplanet.net/kazunori-yamauchi-tamir-moscovici-interview-jff-2013/
I have a hard time believing that's strictly true.
The fact is, that in those 20-30 standard rooms, there would be probably an average of 8 people at most. Many standard rooms running with no more than 6 people in them at any given time.
Whereas shuffle rooms have often been full to capacity for hours on end.
Even in my niche interest "Clean Lo PP Shuffle" - where we only ran low power cars, which low power is not exactly the most popular form of racing... but even I had people sending me messages regularly asking if anyone was going to get kicked soon so they could make it in!
And many pals I've raced in shuffle lobbies would stay the whole time I was running the room, and would eventually take over & others would run the room for hours afterward, and I know this because often I would get off, an hour later my spouse would sign on and go into my shuffle room, now hosted by someone else.
Granted, I always suspected the longevity of my rooms also had to do with the fact that I had my block list filled with repeat shuffle griefers, and when I'd make the room, they'd be banned for the duration of the room no matter who took over hosting. So that probably accounted for the rooms being easier to manage for the hosts who took over.
But still, I wasn't the only regular shuffle host I knew in my time zone - and others. My husband & I had about 8 different people on our friends lists who were regular shuffle hosts. And we'd often have to go through trying to join their rooms, to find one that actually had room. And nearly all these people allowed 16 cars, or at the very least 12.
I'm not saying other non-shuffle rooms never filled to capacity. But you have to admit, on any given day looking at the various normal setting rooms, you wouldn't see 10-14 people in each of those rooms. You'd see 4-6 on average.
I'm not claiming I know the numbers. Obviously I could be way off, and maybe in total, the number of players online at any given time in normal rooms did come up to a sum greater than the amount in shuffle rooms, overall.
But clearly, just because there were fewer shuffle rooms, even only 1 for every 30 normal, doesn't mean the ratio of racers in normal rooms to racers in shuffle rooms was 30 to 1.
I didn't get GT5 when it first released. I think we got it in March or April 2011, because that's when it says I joined GTPlanet. My husband always visited this forum BEFORE that when we played GT4. (This was also before we were married too.) But I didn't sign up for an account here until I wanted to get involved with organized online racing in GT5.
So I can't speak about Shuffle before April 2011.
But when we got GT5, shuffle racing already existed.
It was really the first kind of racing online my husband participated in, after he completed most of the GTLife.
We had stopped playing GT5 for a period through late 2011 until Feb 2012, because we were busy getting ready to move, then we got married and we moved into the house we live in now.
Sometime during that period there was an update that added more options for setting up online racing rooms. Including more options for shuffle, like setting the Shuffle PP Base.
THAT is when I got into shuffle too. Because I like low power cars, and now low power cars were an option in Shuffle.
And the fact that Shuffle racing was updated with more options, gave me hope that PD was paying attention, and interested in continuing to improve the Shuffle racing mode. Which is why I fully expected some more options for shuffle racing in GT6. Or at the very least for it to carry over, and then at some point that they would improve options for shuffle racing.
Never did I expect it to be left out completely, with no word as to whether it would ever be an option again.
Which I can find NOTHING to indicate there are any plans for shuffle in GT6 at all.
And believe me, I've done thorough searches on the web, including in Japanese!! " シャッフル "
And all I could find is both in English, and Japanese... that people have been asking about details about Shuffle in GT6 for over a month now on various forums & web pages.
Quick DESCRIPTION of Shuffle Racing (for those who don't know)...
Shuffle racing was online racing where you would join a room, and instead of picking a car out of your own garage, you would be assigned a car model for the race. Depending on the shuffle settings, most people would be in a different car (with some being in the same car, depending on the settings).
You would be given a different car for the next race based on your finishing position in the last race.
They had some kind of algorithm to decide that. So you would perhaps be given a slightly better advantage car in the next race if you finished poorly in the last race.
In other words, the cars would be ballpark matched for speed & performance - you wouldn't have a kei car competing against a new performance car or whatnot.
And mostly it was luck, because obviously some cars might be slower than others on one track, but perform better on another track. So it wasn't an absolute system of parity, you understand.
But it made for somewhat closer racing among varied abilities, more than a 1-make race - where you would always have in a group of people, some people who were just better and would always do better.
In other words, it was a way to have mixed model racing, without any rules you had to think about, without having to set up your own car, and allowed for even more casual and lesser experienced drivers to have a chance of close racing and winning or placing well, and giving more experienced & more serious players extra challenge even if they were racing against more casual drivers they would ordinarily easily beat in a 1-make race.
You can see how this Shuffle set-up would appeal to a wide range of Gran Turismo racers.
A savvy Shuffle lobby host could easily keep the Shuffle settings to keep the racing close, fun, and varied, no matter who was in the room.
It saved people pressed for time, or not wanting the bother, the problem of finding similarly skilled racers to race with, as well as the problem of tuning or getting cars in their garage ready for online racing.
And what's more - if you did have a group of people who were closely matched, you could set the Shuffle settings to make sure the cars were very close. A smaller number of cars would be assigned, but they would be much more evenly matched.
So Shuffle in GT5 has been an option to appeal to a wide array of tastes & scenarios.
Including people interested in DIRTY racing.
A lot of people mention the fact that it was a good option for CLEAN online racing. And that's absolutely true.
But it was also an option that dirty racing fans liked, as I have often seen "Dirty Shuffle" lobbies running - and often they'd be nearly full rooms.
I can see how people would like this if they wanted dirty racing... because even dirty racing involves a certain attitude or "rules" if you will. And casual dirty racers ALSO like not having to set up cars all the time to participate in dirty online racing.
Anyway, just trying to emphasize that it's not just about "clean racing" options. Dirty racers also like shuffle. (Not just griefers - though they like shuffle too unfortunately! LOL)
It's that Shuffle was the best option for casual players with limited time to participate in online racing on the fly.
And Kaz Yamauchi himself said that they recognize casual players:
https://www.gtplanet.net/kazunori-yamauchi-tamir-moscovici-interview-jff-2013/
I have a hard time believing that's strictly true.
The fact is, that in those 20-30 standard rooms, there would be probably an average of 8 people at most. Many standard rooms running with no more than 6 people in them at any given time.
Whereas shuffle rooms have often been full to capacity for hours on end.
Even in my niche interest "Clean Lo PP Shuffle" - where we only ran low power cars, which low power is not exactly the most popular form of racing... but even I had people sending me messages regularly asking if anyone was going to get kicked soon so they could make it in!
And many pals I've raced in shuffle lobbies would stay the whole time I was running the room, and would eventually take over & others would run the room for hours afterward, and I know this because often I would get off, an hour later my spouse would sign on and go into my shuffle room, now hosted by someone else.
Granted, I always suspected the longevity of my rooms also had to do with the fact that I had my block list filled with repeat shuffle griefers, and when I'd make the room, they'd be banned for the duration of the room no matter who took over hosting. So that probably accounted for the rooms being easier to manage for the hosts who took over.
But still, I wasn't the only regular shuffle host I knew in my time zone - and others. My husband & I had about 8 different people on our friends lists who were regular shuffle hosts. And we'd often have to go through trying to join their rooms, to find one that actually had room. And nearly all these people allowed 16 cars, or at the very least 12.
I'm not saying other non-shuffle rooms never filled to capacity. But you have to admit, on any given day looking at the various normal setting rooms, you wouldn't see 10-14 people in each of those rooms. You'd see 4-6 on average.
I'm not claiming I know the numbers. Obviously I could be way off, and maybe in total, the number of players online at any given time in normal rooms did come up to a sum greater than the amount in shuffle rooms, overall.
But clearly, just because there were fewer shuffle rooms, even only 1 for every 30 normal, doesn't mean the ratio of racers in normal rooms to racers in shuffle rooms was 30 to 1.
I didn't get GT5 when it first released. I think we got it in March or April 2011, because that's when it says I joined GTPlanet. My husband always visited this forum BEFORE that when we played GT4. (This was also before we were married too.) But I didn't sign up for an account here until I wanted to get involved with organized online racing in GT5.
So I can't speak about Shuffle before April 2011.
But when we got GT5, shuffle racing already existed.
It was really the first kind of racing online my husband participated in, after he completed most of the GTLife.
We had stopped playing GT5 for a period through late 2011 until Feb 2012, because we were busy getting ready to move, then we got married and we moved into the house we live in now.
Sometime during that period there was an update that added more options for setting up online racing rooms. Including more options for shuffle, like setting the Shuffle PP Base.
THAT is when I got into shuffle too. Because I like low power cars, and now low power cars were an option in Shuffle.
And the fact that Shuffle racing was updated with more options, gave me hope that PD was paying attention, and interested in continuing to improve the Shuffle racing mode. Which is why I fully expected some more options for shuffle racing in GT6. Or at the very least for it to carry over, and then at some point that they would improve options for shuffle racing.
Never did I expect it to be left out completely, with no word as to whether it would ever be an option again.
Which I can find NOTHING to indicate there are any plans for shuffle in GT6 at all.
And believe me, I've done thorough searches on the web, including in Japanese!! " シャッフル "
And all I could find is both in English, and Japanese... that people have been asking about details about Shuffle in GT6 for over a month now on various forums & web pages.
Quick DESCRIPTION of Shuffle Racing (for those who don't know)...
Shuffle racing was online racing where you would join a room, and instead of picking a car out of your own garage, you would be assigned a car model for the race. Depending on the shuffle settings, most people would be in a different car (with some being in the same car, depending on the settings).
You would be given a different car for the next race based on your finishing position in the last race.
They had some kind of algorithm to decide that. So you would perhaps be given a slightly better advantage car in the next race if you finished poorly in the last race.
In other words, the cars would be ballpark matched for speed & performance - you wouldn't have a kei car competing against a new performance car or whatnot.
And mostly it was luck, because obviously some cars might be slower than others on one track, but perform better on another track. So it wasn't an absolute system of parity, you understand.
But it made for somewhat closer racing among varied abilities, more than a 1-make race - where you would always have in a group of people, some people who were just better and would always do better.
In other words, it was a way to have mixed model racing, without any rules you had to think about, without having to set up your own car, and allowed for even more casual and lesser experienced drivers to have a chance of close racing and winning or placing well, and giving more experienced & more serious players extra challenge even if they were racing against more casual drivers they would ordinarily easily beat in a 1-make race.
You can see how this Shuffle set-up would appeal to a wide range of Gran Turismo racers.
A savvy Shuffle lobby host could easily keep the Shuffle settings to keep the racing close, fun, and varied, no matter who was in the room.
It saved people pressed for time, or not wanting the bother, the problem of finding similarly skilled racers to race with, as well as the problem of tuning or getting cars in their garage ready for online racing.
And what's more - if you did have a group of people who were closely matched, you could set the Shuffle settings to make sure the cars were very close. A smaller number of cars would be assigned, but they would be much more evenly matched.
So Shuffle in GT5 has been an option to appeal to a wide array of tastes & scenarios.
Including people interested in DIRTY racing.
A lot of people mention the fact that it was a good option for CLEAN online racing. And that's absolutely true.
But it was also an option that dirty racing fans liked, as I have often seen "Dirty Shuffle" lobbies running - and often they'd be nearly full rooms.
I can see how people would like this if they wanted dirty racing... because even dirty racing involves a certain attitude or "rules" if you will. And casual dirty racers ALSO like not having to set up cars all the time to participate in dirty online racing.
Anyway, just trying to emphasize that it's not just about "clean racing" options. Dirty racers also like shuffle. (Not just griefers - though they like shuffle too unfortunately! LOL)
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- Oregon
Shuffle racing is the only online game type I played on GT5. I don’t enjoy the tediousness of testing and tweaking cars until they are actually competitive, and therefore I don’t enjoy “normal” online races at all. Shuffle racing was always excellent, close racing, and a lot of fun. Plus, in a shuffle room, you don’t have to wait half an hour between races while everyone chooses a car and changes their settings.
I realize that shuffle racing had a relatively small following, maybe 10% of online races, but is that a good enough reason to remove it from the game entirely? What did PD gain from removing it? It certainly can’t be disk space. I’m not sure how it could be development time either, because it should have only taken a brief moment to add more cars to the shuffle list. At the very least, they could have just left it the same as GT5.
… Okay, I’m done whining now.
I realize that shuffle racing had a relatively small following, maybe 10% of online races, but is that a good enough reason to remove it from the game entirely? What did PD gain from removing it? It certainly can’t be disk space. I’m not sure how it could be development time either, because it should have only taken a brief moment to add more cars to the shuffle list. At the very least, they could have just left it the same as GT5.
… Okay, I’m done whining now.
- 6,392
- Pennsylvania
- wat3rm370n
Well it's even more disappointing now that I've seen the really limited selection of 1-make cars.
There's less options than with the Rec Garage in GT5.
I was hoping also for a way to restrict by models, for example, even when people are choosing out of their own garages. That would've been pretty awesome, and can't imagine how big a deal it would've been. But see nothing along those lines. In fact, I did not even see a restrict by type like there used to be. For example, Kei cars. If that option was there, I didn't see that either.
I just think they ought to at least let us know if they have anything along these lines planned.
There's less options than with the Rec Garage in GT5.
I was hoping also for a way to restrict by models, for example, even when people are choosing out of their own garages. That would've been pretty awesome, and can't imagine how big a deal it would've been. But see nothing along those lines. In fact, I did not even see a restrict by type like there used to be. For example, Kei cars. If that option was there, I didn't see that either.
I just think they ought to at least let us know if they have anything along these lines planned.
- 32
- Ireland
- playahater94
Normal rooms in gt5 were almost never full, and this has continued in gt6. Look through the room list and the majority of rooms aren't even 50% full. Shuffle rooms were always decently populated.
- 9
- North Dakota
- dennygreen2k13
aww. they took shuffle out? I was going to jump right into online shuffles after this is done installing.
doesn't make any sense to remove it.
doesn't make any sense to remove it.
- 5,785
- Norman, OK
- McClarenDesign
Along with bringing it back, I'd also appreciate it if they'd change the car list quarterly. GT5 would've felt a bit fresher if they had done it on a regular basis.
- 39
- Flint Mi
- aj_thecaveman
- aj aus84
I voted.
Damn shame.. I much prefer to drive "stock" cars, all their individual quirks make it much more fun and challenging.
Im new to GT's online, so quick quiestion. Can you not create a custom room, with all upgrades/tuning disabled? Then add a pp limit range, and choose from stock cars within said range (ie 350-400pp)?
Compile a list of clean racers on your friends list and make our own "stock" car rooms?
Coming from the forza series, we always ran our custom rooms this way.
Could anyone help me out and explain why this could or couldn't happen with all of us that enjoy "stock" racing on gt6 within a custom lobby?
With being really new to the pi (pp) system, and knowing nothing of the options on custom room restrictions/options.. I'm pretty much clueless and any clarification on this subject would be much appreciated.
Damn shame.. I much prefer to drive "stock" cars, all their individual quirks make it much more fun and challenging.
Im new to GT's online, so quick quiestion. Can you not create a custom room, with all upgrades/tuning disabled? Then add a pp limit range, and choose from stock cars within said range (ie 350-400pp)?
Compile a list of clean racers on your friends list and make our own "stock" car rooms?
Coming from the forza series, we always ran our custom rooms this way.
Could anyone help me out and explain why this could or couldn't happen with all of us that enjoy "stock" racing on gt6 within a custom lobby?
With being really new to the pi (pp) system, and knowing nothing of the options on custom room restrictions/options.. I'm pretty much clueless and any clarification on this subject would be much appreciated.
- 9,232
- Solid Gone
- MeanElf
Why so let down? There is so much other wonderment in the game that one feature surely cannot outweigh the rest.
I would miss shuffle though if it were a permanent removal. However, there are online features which have yet to be added via update, so maybe shuffle will be a part of that. I hope so for all your sakes.
- 9,232
- Solid Gone
- MeanElf
Planning would be the reason. PD aren't sure yet of the order in which the updates will happen - and an 'uproar' two days after launch cannot be instantly fixed. In other words, they possibly won't have heard of this uproar yet and probably won't be doing much about it until any of the incoming update patches - so December or January.
- 155
- Jurrmunney
- talkin_2_me
Haven't played GT6 online myself, but I wouldn't get my hopes up. watermelonpunch pointed out earlier, that GT6 seems even more limited than GT5 when it comes to customizing online lobbies. See below.
I guess, all we can do is wait and hope that they simply didn't have the time to implement all the elements they wanted in online and these issues will be addressed in a future patch.
I wouldn't be half as disappoited if the career mode wasn't so lackluster. As it stands GT6 is really what it says on the box. A 'real driving simulator', but sadly not a real racing simulator.
- 473
- Santa Carla, CA
- LanDelta9
I need a shuffle race patch in the next month or I will explode with sarrow, dissapointment, and dare i say... temporary hate for Kaz.
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- 463
- gtgta
No shuffle in gt6...... Shuffle was the best online mode ever for gt5, all i ever did was play shuffle, was hoping for more cars and pp in gt6, all the other lobbies are either unfair, or have skid recovery and racing soft tyres, and on top of that everybody just chooses the best cars at certain pp, which means no veriety at all. Most dissapointing thing that could have happened to gt.
- 22
- United States
- Ghost_Dog_59
With all these new awesome tracks in GT6, can you imagine how f'in great Shuffle would be in this game.
PD better bring it back in the next patch or I'll take a baseball bat to Kaz's knee caps!
PD better bring it back in the next patch or I'll take a baseball bat to Kaz's knee caps!
