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I came into this topic only to say that I only came into this topic to see how big the blow out was on the poll?
Did I just fail??
Did I just fail??
I think what GT5 got wrong is the distance at which you can draft behind, and the lack of low pressure from behind a car. The effect rapidly disintegrates just 20-50 meters back at 200 mph. In fact on the Discovery Channel they did a test and found that following an 18 wheeler at a gap of 3 seconds slows you down and increases fuel consumption. However following RIGHT BEHIND the truck with 2 inches to spare reduced the consumpion by like 3 or 4 times.
Semi aero is quite different from car aero... the shape of the wake coming off the big bluff back end, as well as the huge turbulence this causes is different from drafting another motorcar at the same distance.
another classic "I would have won if it were'nt for the draft". you do k ow that if an actual racing sim is too much for ya they do have a dummy version of racing called "mario cart". you should try it. May be the drafting kind your in "obvious need of"
another classic "I would have won if it were'nt for the draft". you do k ow that if an actual racing sim is too much for ya they do have a dummy version of racing called "mario cart". you should try it. May be the drafting kind your in "obvious need of"
When he pulls out from behind the Corvette, he does it immediately after the first chicane. He's only doing 100 mph right there, and he's coming out of a corner. This is not drafting, he simply had a higher exit speed coming out of the chicane. There wasn't even time to develop enough of a draft to pull him along for the pass. What we saw there was a drag race, not a car pulling out from behind another in a draft.
You're dreaming.It doesn't matter how long or at what speed you are going. It has been established that runners and cyclists 'draft'. They are not going anywhere near 100mph, so speed does not dictate if a draft is happening or not, but instead dictates the effects/gains of the draft.
So, if 1-2 seconds gives you no advantage and isnt drafting as you said, then you must wholeheartedly agree that GT5's drafting is complete crap seeing as how 1-2 seconds in GT5 will net you like an additional 10 mph.
A draft is a draft is a draft, regardless of speed or length of time.You're dreaming.
Of course it matters how long. You use the draft to get momentum by accelerating behind the car in front of you. If you don't have time to accelerate within the wake, you get essentially no benefit.
Answer this:
Car A is moving a steady 200 mph down a straight, with Car B in its draft. Car B is also moving at a steady 200 mph. Car B pulls out of the draft to pass. Will the draft benefit him, and allow him to pass?
I said before that it's a draft -- but that doesn't mean he was drafting. He was in the draft (momentarily), but didn't even attempt to use it to gain position.A draft is a draft is a draft, regardless of speed or length of time.
Time and speed only effect the benefit/gains levels of the draft.
I never said the Aston got some super awesome gain off the draft, just that to be in ones wake is to draft, which is a flipping fact bro. What don't you get about that?
Let me help you....
If an object falls to the ground and is only falling for 1-2 seconds, the acceleration of it may seem insignificant, but that doesn't mean gravitational acceleration didn't take place.
To answer your question:
If car B has enough available power in his car when exiting the draft, then yes.
In the case of NASCAR and restrictor plate races, then more often than not, no. Car B would need the help of a Car C in order to fully clear Car A.
I said before that it's a draft -- but that doesn't mean he was drafting. He was in the draft (momentarily), but didn't even attempt to use it to gain position.
If Car B and Car A are moving at the same steady speed, and Car B pulls out to pass, Car B will not even pull in front of Car A's rear bumper. The draft benefits the passer by giving him an opportunity to accelerate during the period of time within the draft, when air resistance isn't using all of the motor's power. If Car B doesn't take that time to accelerate while in the draft, he will be unable to pass. He'll just get in the wind at 200 mph and sit there.
This is why NASCARs have trouble passing -- it has nothing to do with power. Even cars making 100 horsepower can pass on superspeedways. NASCARs can't pass because the current aero package closes the drafting 'bubble' behind the lead car very quickly, not allowing the second car a large enough gap to get a run on the first car. This is the part incorrectly modeled by PD. The draft is every bit as extreme as they modeled, but they didn't differentiate between the effects of various cars. They modeled the entire thing like vintage NASCARs punching a huge hole in the air that extends 300 yards behind the lead car. A car in that draft can easily get 20-30 mph as a result, because they have lots of time to accelerate while they're experiencing lower air resistance. Cars like modern NASCARs and F1 cars are designed to aerodynamically close that hole behind the car, so the second car doesn't get a good run on the first car. The second car only has a moment to accelerate during the period of lower wind resistance.
The Aston did not have any opportunity to accelerate within the draft. Look at the video again.
I already corrected it. See my previous post (and try to understand it).It has everything to do with power available when exiting the draft. The car behind is not using full power to obtain the exact same speed as the car in which is it following due to less front drag.
Whoever wrote that seems to agree with my two answers. Since you are apparently more knowledgeable, why don't you correct it?
I already corrected it. See my previous post (and try to understand it).
You're correct, Car 2 isn't using full power while in the draft. But he will be unable to accelerate once he exits the draft, so he MUST accelerate while in the draft. The acceleration he needs to pass the lead car has to come while he's in the draft -- outside the draft, he can't accelerate, he'll only lose speed.
Because the low pressure area behind Car A is relatively small in modern NASCARs, this limits Car B's ability to accelerate within the draft.
Anybody who says that it's a lack of power is dead wrong, because in NASCAR, Car A and Car B always had roughly equivalent power. Yet in the 60's and 70's, cars with less power than 2010 restrictor-plate NASCARs were passing each other constantly -- because they could get a run on the lead car in the draft. During the 60's and 70's they had between 450 and 600 horsepower, yet they could pass in a draft all day long. There was clearly no 'lack of horsepower'.
This thing about lack of power preventing passing has been bogus from day 1. Whoever wrote the wiki for that doesn't know any better. To pass, Car B must accelerate. It's not enough to be going the same speed while using less power. Car B can't pull out of the draft at the same speed as Car A, then accelerate -- because then he's experiencing the same wind resistance as Car A now, and is therefore equally unable to pick up speed just the way Car A can't go any faster. He has to apply that available extra power at a time when that power isn't eaten up by wind resistance -- and that has to happen while in the draft. If the draft from the lead car only extends 25 feet behind, and Car B is 16 feet long, then Car B has to get all the acceleration it needs in less than 25 feet, and that's not much room to accelerate. If the draft, however, extends 250 feet behind Car A, then Car B can get the acceleration it needs before pulling out into the wind. And since acceleration is a function of time squared, the time spent accelerating while in the draft is ultra-important.
I'll say it again, the part that's modeled incorrectly is that PD made the assumption that every car punches an equal hole in the air at a given speed. The hole is essentially correct for cars like vintage NASCARs, because in the game we see the effect for hundreds of yards behind the lead car at 200 mph. But it doesn't apply the same way behind all cars, and modern NASCARs and F1 cars are two good examples of cars that actively close the air behind the car as it passes.
I'm also speaking to drafting as a whole, but I'll contend that the video shows/proves absolutely nothing. There is simply no need for the AM to pass the Vette 40 minutes into a 24 hour race, and there is a great deal of gamesmanship going on. The single most important thing for drivers to do in the first twelve hours is to keep the car in one piece. There is nothing to be gained by passing, or dicing with another car. Zero. So there's no telling what is happening for sure in that video. Passing is done very cautiously in the early going, and if anything, drivers are trying to find out what the other teams have on tap.I was speaking of drafting as a whole (this started over a Le Mans video, am I wrong?), you seemed to be only speaking of drafting in super restricted series. Therefore, I don't believe we were seeing eye-to-eye from the get go.
truth is some people cant handle the drafting and attempt to ram you if you overtake.