POLL: Would hood view fix the problem with standards?

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Would hood view fix the problem with standards for you?

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Just as the title says, would hood view fix the problem with the standards having no cockpit view.

For myself, I've just come back from a round of Forza Horizon, and in that game I tend to use the hood view a lot more than cockpit view because of the added visibility. That got me thinking, and I came to the conclusion that if PD included a hood view in GT6, the problem with standards would be solved for me completely because no matter how much I like cockpit view, hood view is better for me if I want to be very precise. Also, I can see better what the car is doing and to me it's very immersive. Now, before everyone comes telling me about the roof cam, I don't like that view at all. It breaks the immersion for me a lot, even though it's good for driving and pinpointing your car. Hood view for me would be the perfect combination of driving precision and immersion, a very big problem with the standards.
 
Hood view is my preferred view in any game, I don't really use cockpit that often. So on that basis yes, I would absolutely like a bonnet cam for each car rather than the roof cam that 90% of cars in GT5 had.

It wouldn't solve the problem though, I'd still be looking at a low detail bonnet and a low detail car overall in replays. There really is no way to solve the issue of standards except replacing them all with modern models.
 
I prefer hood view as well so I would really like to see it added to the game but this has nothing to do with standards.

I did not vote in the poll because there was no suitable option to choose.

The only issues I have with standard cars are
1: some of them looked pretty bad in GT5
2: Tired of hearing people moaning about them
 
I also still don't get why they still haven't implemented such an easy feature before. Also, from what we've heard the standards will be touched upon, so maybe they touch 'em up to such a point where you almost can't possibly tell the difference between a premium hood and a standard one...

I guess it's wishful thinking, but who knows.
 
A good and well made hood view is not cool as a full modeled cockpit BUT it would solve the problem for me. In some standards that the roof cam shows some of the hood, it's already my prefered view for racing.
 
HBR-Roadhog
I prefer hood view as well so I would really like to see it added to the game but this has nothing to do with standards.
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In my opinion it does, because I loathe the black outlines. It would make the standards just as immersive as the premiums, because I would use the same view on both types of cars and I wouldn't notice the difference as much.
 
The_Rpg_Moogle
I also still don't get why they still haven't implemented such an easy feature before..
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It's the same old story, PD deciding to be different for seemingly no apparant reason. Just look at paint chips. Every racing game for the last 10+ years that allows you to paint a car has included a simple colour wheel. But not PD. This is the same, whilst everyone else was implementing bonnet cameras PD decided roof cameras would be better. There really is no explaining it except "Because PD".
 
GT6 ia simulation racing game. There was NO excuse for this in GT5 and there is NO excuse for this in GT6. However KY is working to resolve the issue. But GT6 should not have been created or launched until this was resolved 100%.

This is not a substitute for an interior view in a simulation racing game.
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That's closest to bumper cam, not bonnet cam. I like a bonnet cam because it's pretty similar to cockpit view in terms of placement but without the obstructions.
 
Someone can correct me if I'm wrong but the cockpit cam and current bumper cam have the same vantage point of the track. Seems like I've switched between the two views and it's the same perspective.

But I'd rather have the lame ass black cutout than no option for cockpit in standards. I've gone to strictly cockpit after so many years of "bumper" view. No way I want to have to go back now or have to use two different driving views.
 
SimonK
It's the same old story, PD deciding to be different for seemingly no apparant reason. Just look at paint chips. Every racing game for the last 10+ years that allows you to paint a car has included a simple colour wheel. But not PD. This is the same, whilst everyone else was implementing bonnet cameras PD decided roof cameras would be better. There really is no explaining it except "Because PD".
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Well, I already give my opinion on this subject, but I think BOTH systems should live together, but when you go to a paint shop in real life, usually you choose a car paint by the make/model you want: "I want to paint it on the orange from Lamborghini, e.g."

A colour wheel gives freedom but it's confusing and annoying to get the proper color you want. IMHO, there should be a color wheel, a "paint creator" where you could do your own, together with original maker paint chips.

But that's a subject for another thread. :)
 
CAMAROBOY69
GT6 a simulation racing game. There was NO excuse for this in GT5 and there is NO excuse for this in GT6. However KY is working to resolve the issue. But GT6 should not have been created or launched until this was resolved 100%.
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While I can totally relate with what your saying, and in some way you are definitely right, from what we heard they won't have cockpit view for standards, again. This is a big disappointment for me, but I can't let GT6 slip me by because of that when I see these awesome new physics and remembering the way GT5 drove.
 
The_Rpg_Moogle
While I can totally relate with what your saying, and in some way you are definitely right, from what we heard they won't have cockpit view for standards, again. This is a big disappointment for me, but I can't let GT6 slip me by because of that when I see these awesome new physics and remembering the way GT5 drove.
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The standards have been improved a lot. My very top 3 complaints about standards in GT5 have been answered in GT6.
1. Standards cant be taken to photo travel (resolved)
2. No interior view. (many were upgraded with black outlines in GT5, now will be updated more in GT6)
3. Cant be upgraded, cant swap wheels. (some of this was resolved in GT5 and now much better in GT6)
The standard cars will not be set alone in their own category. No restrictions, and a lot of improvements.
So with all these improvements I think I will finally consider buying GT6. I did not buy GT5 because of these problems that restricted the standards. I did receive GT5 as a Christmas present and play it once in a while. But I never supported that game with any of my money. I might buy GT6.
 
Not sure where you've got the resolution for 2 from, Kaz bluntly states that not all cars in GT6 will have cockpit view. That even suggests the black outlines will be gone.
 
The_Rpg_Moogle
Now, before everyone comes telling me about the roof cam, I don't like that view at all. It breaks the immersion for me a lot, even though it's good for driving and pinpointing your car. Hood view for me would be the perfect combination of driving precision and immersion, a very big problem with the standards.
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I'm not sure how folks can talk about immersion and sitting on the hood. Sitting on the car's hood isn't immersion.
 
SimonK
Not sure where you've got the resolution for 2 from, Kaz bluntly states that not all cars in GT6 will have cockpit view. That even suggests the black outlines will be gone.
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I think it means that they will have the same non detailed cockpit view that they have now and that they are not going to model the interior on them to give a detailed cockpit view.

To me this is a very minor issue or even a non issue. The cockpit view in most if not all games have to many obstructions. I know it is supposed to be more real looking and if you have a second wheel installed in the back seat of yoru car and drive from there maybe it is but that is not the case.

A hood view would be great would be even better if they could make it to where the view point is just behind the windscreen so you have an effect hood view but the rain snow and wipers still come into play. For me that would be ideal.
 
SimonK
Not sure where you've got the resolution for 2 from, Kaz bluntly states that not all cars in GT6 will have cockpit view. That even suggests the black outlines will be gone.
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I guess I am just being optimistic. I am sure they will be added later as a patch like they did with GT5. I just don't know why he doesn't wait and fix the game 100% THEN launch it. I hate the mentality that developers have now of "Release now, patch later". :ouch:
That's truly been killing the GT series. So basically 8 and 1/2 years later and some cars still don't have an interior view. Ouch.
 
Bonnet cam is not a solution to the standard issue, but I would very much welcome that view being added.
 
SimonK
Not sure where you've got the resolution for 2 from, Kaz bluntly states that not all cars in GT6 will have cockpit view. That even suggests the black outlines will be gone.
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He said they won't have interiors, that still leaves open the option for a blackened cockpit view. Just no modeled interiors. Slight difference but an important one.

On the topic: I don't see how this fixes the problem with standards? Using hood view instead of cockpit is the same "solution" as using bumper cam, i.e. not using cockpit view. But not using cockpit view is hardly the solution to the problem of standards not having cockpit view, because they still wouldn't have cockpit view (presumably). It chances nothing.
 
SimonK
Not sure where you've got the resolution for 2 from, Kaz bluntly states that not all cars in GT6 will have cockpit view. That even suggests the black outlines will be gone.
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Yeah, I saw someone else commented on this too. He did say NO to interior views, that does sound like no cockpit view or maybe it means no modeled interiors. Hard to imagine leaving out some kind of cockpit cam when it was implemented into GT5 after so many requests.

I'm just hoping the revamped "Standards" will be a nice group of cars. It won't matter that much then.
 
I didn't vote in the poll because for me the "problem" to fix is the lack of hood view in all but a few cars. Like others in this thread hood view is my favourite, most immersive driving view and it's a travesty that GT doesn't implement it. The TV is the windshield, my own hands are my hands - not some computer animated guy's hands.

If they ever do implement hood view, they should keep the bumper-view HUD. Or at least give us that option.

Cockpit view is nice to have for replays if you want to check out what the interior looks like, but that's about it.
 
SimonK
...It wouldn't solve the problem though, I'd still be looking at a low detail bonnet and a low detail car overall in replays. There really is no way to solve the issue of standards except replacing them all with modern models.
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Simon, I'm surprised at you of all people :sly: especially with the various comments by Kazunori suggesting that the standard exteriors would be upgraded for GT6.

NCRthree
Someone can correct me if I'm wrong but the cockpit cam and current bumper cam have the same vantage point of the track. Seems like I've switched between the two views and it's the same perspective.

But I'd rather have the lame ass black cutout than no option for cockpit in standards. I've gone to strictly cockpit after so many years of "bumper" view. No way I want to have to go back now or have to use two different driving views.
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True, though I can't be sure if the bumper cam wasn't lower down before the cockpit mask upgrade. I always had the sense of being far closer to the ground before.

I am curious myself as to how these semi-cryptic and somewhat conflicting statements from PD will resolve themselves in the game.
 
SimonK
It's the same old story, PD deciding to be different for seemingly no apparant reason. Just look at paint chips. Every racing game for the last 10+ years that allows you to paint a car has included a simple colour wheel. But not PD. This is the same, whilst everyone else was implementing bonnet cameras PD decided roof cameras would be better. There really is no explaining it except "Because PD".
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Yes the paint feature in GT5 drives me insane. They made the paint process way more complicated than it needs to be. Hopefully that's one of the improvements for GT6. Just let us pick a color from a color wheel. Or buy paint chips if necessary. This current system is just terrible where you can only get paint colors, if you have the color on the vehicles you have won or purchased. One of the worst I have ever seen in any game in my life.
 
I think that a colour wheel option might not work so well - after all, specific paints are a complex mix of various other colours. I always had problems trying to create the desired colour from those weird X/Y axis colour squares things that you see in some games...and I'm an artist with full understanding of colour theory...

Possibly PD went with the paint chip system to make it easy. It would have been nicer though to have access to the colours you have won or received for as many times as you wanted them though.
 
Keep paint chips but not including the option of a colour wheel (with the ability to input your own RGB or CMYK values) is criminal. But yeah, that's another topic. I just brought it up as it was a similar strange decision to roof cameras.
 
CAMAROBOY69
GT6 ia simulation racing game. There was NO excuse for this in GT5 and there is NO excuse for this in GT6. However KY is working to resolve the issue. But GT6 should not have been created or launched until this was resolved 100%.
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No excuse for what? Do you by "this" refer to the absence of a hood view? If that's the case I can't see why that's such a big issue. The more view options the better, but having a hood view is hardly a key criteria for a simulation racing game.

CAMAROBOY69
Yes the paint feature in GT5 drives me insane. They made the paint process way more complicated than it needs to be. Hopefully that's one of the improvements for GT6. Just let us pick a color from a color wheel. Or buy paint chips if necessary. This current system is just terrible where you can only get paint colors, if you have the color on the vehicles you have won or purchased. One of the worst I have ever seen in any game in my life.
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Agree. The option to buy paint chips would make it a lot better.
 
For those on the fence about what hood view would add to immersion: like somebody said earlier, I have my own wheel, my hands are my hands, the TV is my windshield. That's at least how I see it. In that regard, the black outlines actually do their work, since there's nothing to distract you. But I'd still prefer hood cam for the added visibility, especially with the faster cars.

On the paintchip issue: off-topic, but I see the relevance somehow. Like Simon says (haha), it's so strange as to why they haven't included a color wheel, but they had the paint chips. Keep the paint chips, but also give us the color wheel. That way the paint chips could be used for what they are: certain manufacturer colors. It's very difficult to recreate that Rosso Corsa, so I'd love a paintchip of those.
 
Hood view that can be adjusted would sure make things easier... Some cars are too low for racing (Mazda 787B comes to mind) and personally I don't like the roof cams on some of the cars. Cockpit view adds to the immersion, I do use it occasionally but for most racing i prefer the "hood/roof" views.

So having the option to adjust the level and position somewhat would make a world of difference, that and showing mirrors (side mirrors etc) on screen like the bumper cam would make racing much easier. I can't remember how many times I haven't seen a car next to me at the start of an online race and tried to take the racing line only to be met with a moving wall :)

PD really need to give players more options in some cases with some features, that would allow us to customize and tweak everything to suit our preferences (customizing the UI more, moving the locations of some elements, adjusting cameras etc..)👍
 

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