List of current Gr.1/Gr.3/Gr.4 cars and their possible replacements in GT7/8

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tankuroded
Honestly I feel PD might have lost interest in Gr.4 in general. While it is still featured almost weekly in daily races, they even dropped it entirely in Manu from last year (to the point that Mazda's loaner was never updated from the Atenza Gr.4 to Mazda3 Gr.4).
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It just occurred to me as I was collecting decals for another wave of Manufacturers Series liveries this week: Notice how only the Nations Cup Exhibition Series 3 is happening..but no Manufacturers Cup one. Given how multiple races are themed after recent World Tour events (Down to even the conditions in the case of Round 1), what if Manufacturers is actually being fixed to where it will be solely a GR.3 series just like the World Series currently is? As it is now, its kinda pointless to even have GR.4 featured in the Exhibition series when its not even on the World Tour anymore.
 
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It’s sad because GT4 series are booming round the globe. In Europe, GT4 is ust as well known as GT3. USA had the Z, Supra and Mustang racing together. Asia still run the Z and Supra together. Here in Australia, GT4 grids are high and growing between here and New Zealand. Also, Mustang is getting its own One Make with the Dark Horse.
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I wouldn't be surprised if "Group racing" ended in a future update and car classes just become "GT3", "GT4" and "Touring Cars"
 
Fernando_DSF
I wouldn't be surprised if "Group racing" ended in a future update and car classes just become "GT3", "GT4" and "Touring Cars"
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tankuroded
Considering people have taken issue regarding mixing of cars in racing classess...

I don't see that happening until GT8 though.
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Honestly, I have a feeling that the restrictiveness of the Group system is a key part of why we've had a lack of new race cars.

If you think about it, the system was built along the lines of current classes being run at GT Sport's release:
Gr.1 - LMP1
Gr.3 - GT3 Equivalent
Gr.4 - GT4/TCR
Group 2 wasn't even a thing at launch, but eventually was modern GT500's

BUT, this system, while it worked when every car was either built to these regs IRL, or by Polyphony, doesn't work anymore with GT7's emphasis on more vehicle variety.

For starters, older cars like the GR.3 JGTC's, GT1 Aston and McLaren are AFAIK basically out of meta more often than not, as these cars were not built to be competing with modern GT3 cars, and as such end up with a balancing headache. GR.1 is a extreme example of this, as you have non-hybrid older LMP1's, Hybrid LMP1's, Fantasy VGT's, a Hypercar, and Group C race cars all in one class.

And then you look at the oddball cars that dotted the earlier games and you have to ask yourself: Where would the old GT300's go? Into Group 4 where they would rot in a dark corner?, What about the old Cup cars?, if Polyphony were to add modern LMH/LMDH's, they would end up just being inferior to the existing LMP1s like the GR010 we already have. The current TS020 is the 1999 LMGTP version that on lap time should preform around the 787b, yet is not only in GR.2 rather than GR.1, but is woefully slow in that class. And don't get me started on what modern GT would do with the Tickford.....

Outside of contemporary GT3 cars, everything else would be popular while it is the flavor of the month, before people shift back to the meta. Hell even new GT4's and TCR's wouldn't add as much as people think while the AWD GR.4 machines continue to run the table.

It makes sense for Polyphony to avoid the hassle by limiting most new race cars to be introduced in GT8, when they can make a clean break from the current Group System, and in the process free themselves up to be more freeform with their future racing car choices, without worrying about their flashy new race car fading into the background due to the Sisyphean task that is balancing the current format.
 
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GT-one under Gr.2 bop basically turns into 1998 version and also under new Gr.4 bop the older GT300 would have a higher chance than ever before as we got min 2 cars datamined , imho cup cars/special cars should be just one make which PD kinda already uses it that way

but i do agree its a mess and could be fixed quite easily if they put any effort
 
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TPGRacing75
Honestly, I have a feeling that the restrictiveness of the Group system is a key part of why we've had a lack of new race cars.

If you think about it, the system was built along the lines of current classes being run at GT Sport's release:
Gr.1 - LMP1
Gr.3 - GT3 Equivalent
Gr.4 - GT4/TCR
Group 2 wasn't even a thing at launch, but eventually was modern GT500's

BUT, this system, while it worked when every car was either built to these regs IRL, or by Polyphony, doesn't work anymore with GT7's emphasis on more vehicle variety.

For starters, older cars like the GR.3 JGTC's, GT1 Aston and McLaren are AFAIK basically out of meta more often than not, as these cars were not built to be competing with modern GT3 cars, and as such end up with a balancing headache. GR.1 is a extreme example of this, as you have non-hybrid older LMP1's, Hybrid LMP1's, Fantasy VGT's, a Hypercar, and Group C race cars all in one class.

And then you look at the oddball cars that dotted the earlier games and you have to ask yourself: Where would the old GT300's go? Into Group 4 where they would rot in a dark corner?, What about the old Cup cars?, if Polyphony were to add modern LMH/LMDH's, they would end up just being inferior to the existing LMP1s like the GR010 we already have. The current TS020 is the 1999 LMGTP version that on lap time should preform around the 787b, yet is not only in GR.2 rather than GR.1, but is woefully slow in that class. And don't get me started on what modern GT would do with the Tickford.....

Outside of contemporary GT3 cars, everything else would be popular while it is the flavor of the month, before people shift back to the meta. Hell even new GT4's and TCR's wouldn't add as much as people think while the AWD GR.4 machines continue to run the table.

It makes sense for Polyphony to avoid the hassle by limiting most new race cars to be introduced in GT8, when they can make a clean break from the current Group System, and in the process free themselves up to be more freeform with their future racing car choices, without worrying about their flashy new race car fading into the background due to the Sisyphean task that is balancing the current format.
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There are also several edge cases that could push the boundary of the class system that I can recall as well, such as the R32 GT-R Group A and N24 R35 GT-R from PS3-era games (as well as the N24 LFA since I've saw that being brought up) - both of these are too powerful for Gr.4 and not powerful/aerodynamic enough (or have too much wheels driven for the GT-Rs) for Gr.3. At that point you might as well go back to the "Smash Bros with race cars" approach in the PS2/PS3 era days (because with regards of using car tags, for the Le Mans tag for instance, it still mixes GT cars with the prototypes for instance, not just model years, assuming status quo is kept).

As for new GT3s, I can already see the 458 GT3's BoP getting "punished for being old" after the 296 finally arrives in December. This issue already hit the NSX GT500 '00 and GT-One as well for being old cars.
 
tankuroded
There are also several edge cases that could push the boundary of the class system that I can recall as well, such as the R32 GT-R Group A and N24 R35 GT-R from PS3-era games (as well as the N24 LFA since I've saw that being brought up) - both of these are too powerful for Gr.4 and not powerful/aerodynamic enough (or have too much wheels driven for the GT-Rs) for Gr.3. At that point you might as well go back to the "Smash Bros with race cars" approach in the PS2/PS3 era days (because with regards of using car tags, for the Le Mans tag for instance, it still mixes GT cars with the prototypes for instance, not just model years, assuming status quo is kept).

As for new GT3s, I can already see the 458 GT3's BoP getting "punished for being old" after the 296 finally arrives in December. This issue already hit the NSX GT500 '00 and GT-One as well for being old cars.
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Yup. There were so many unique racing cars in past Gran Turismo games I'd like to see back, but simply don't fit the rigid structure of the existing class system, and considering PD can't scrap it midstream without totally messing with the Live eSports events downstream, the best they can do is hold off until GT8 where they can wipe the slate clean.

Forza, for as much of a shambles the reboot is at least eventually acknowledged that their all encompassing "Forza GT" category wasn't sustainable and split the field up into (for the most part) more sensible racing classes. Trying to BOP 15 different rule books is just simply not possible while keeping the competitive integrity of the class.
 
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Thing is, PD even made Gr.4 FF only races. They know they can separate drivetrain cars into groups.
They make Group C only races. DTM only Weekly Challenges. Plus, add all the data they collect from players making Custom Races and Lobby set ups.
If there is a Manu Cup it'll be interesting if they still have players choose both Gr.3 and GR.4.
 

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