Porsche LMP1 confirmed for 2014, goodbye Audi?

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As in level of popularity C class and P1 are on the same level I believe. Yes P1 is in the same area of GT1 90's, though this is not the 90's and it has nothing to do with how many wins they have at Le Man already. Porsche is making a big jump with a well sound car that will perform better than some expect. I agree with @McLaren that they won't come out swinging but they will win a second other third race or come close to it. Why would Audi stop running in P1?
 
As in level of popularity C class and P1 are on the same level I believe. Yes P1 is in the same area of GT1 90's, though this is not the 90's and it has nothing to do with how many wins they have at Le Man already. Porsche is making a big jump with a well sound car that will perform better than some expect. I agree with @McLaren that they won't come out swinging but they will win a second other third race or come close to it. Why would Audi stop running in P1?

I've read a lot of your post and it seems like people have to help you along because you don't quite have the knowledge you think you have regarding endurance and sport car racing. First off, popularity has what relevance for this conversation? It's as if you couldn't start any proper syntax so just put it there but whatever. Second you agree they are about the same (though GT1 is faster) but since this isn't the 90s and there past wins mean nothing to the present, they obviously will be finishing third. I don't think you get the depth of this, it's an equivalent of Ferrari or McLaren leaving F1 for a decade and then coming back and thinking that they don't have any chance of winning, oh and in those ten years they grew even bigger.

They will come out swinging, they have bought up the people and drivers to make this happen to think that they wont be in the mix of it, is a slap at Porsche. Also if you don't know what I meant about Bentley and Le Mans back in the early 2000s go look it up Zuel and then you may realize why Audi may move over or drop a class soon down the road. Let me clue you in all three are owned by the same group ****VW
 
I understand racing, endurance racing for that matter better than you assume. And for you assuming that I don't know anything or have any inculcation of just from a few post here are there about racing, clearly sights you being confused. I do understand the magnitude of Porsche's return to preform in the fashion of racing. For Audi to move down a class in pointless even though Porsche is entering the P1 class, for two reason. First reason, Audi has used the P1 class to test new technology for the auto class, Reason two, they have set the standard in aerodynamics for many years in that class, in some cases they've set the pace in the area. It's really doesn't matter either that they are both owned by VW along with Bentley, or who had to buy in order to get the car built in the time frame they set out for.

They have done great work in that time, made some hard and right decisions for the car. Looking forward to see how the car will perform under race conditions. And for I stating that they WONT come out swing is not a slap in the face to Porsche, maybe to you but not to Porsche. They have something to prove like I said, prove something more to themselves than any other.

There is no reason for you to assume or be fetal minded. Assumption is never good.

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I should have said wise instead of good.
 
I understand racing, endurance racing for that matter better than you assume. And for you assuming that I don't know anything or have any inculcation of just from a few post here are there about racing, clearly sights you being confused.

Being confused by what exactly? That you yourself said you didn't explain things correctly, this wasn't something I came up with over night. You used a picture of a GT3 car to claim that we'd get a M6 GTE car, and then the community showed you your error and even asked for proof which you claimed was first hand "through a friend" and then you go about on other post that show similar made up or unsure realities. Your actions have lead me to believe this or think that you don't know as much as you lead on.

I do understand the magnitude of Porsche's return to preform in the fashion of racing. For Audi to move down a class in pointless even though Porsche is entering the P1 class, for two reason. First reason, Audi has used the P1 class to test new technology for the auto class, Reason two, they have set the standard in aerodynamics for many years in that class, in some cases they've set the pace in the area. It's really doesn't matter either that they are both owned by VW along with Bentley, or who had to buy in order to get the car built in the time frame they set out for.

How is it pointless for them to move down? They'd be giving Porsche the win if it did happen and it would show they believe that Toyota isn't the competition to worry about. They can still test new technology through P2, it may take more time than in P1 but it can be done. Hybrids can be used in P2 and so can Diesel, the regs show this. Actually VW does matter because they were the ones that set the rumors about Audi possibly leaving to make room for Porsche, they were also the ones that had by some accounts Audi slow down so Bentley could win in the early 2000s and give them more lineage to the great race. Companies who own multiple makes do this all the time, perhaps you should look into how Fiat handles Maserati, Ferrari and Dodge's super cars.

They have done great work in that time, made some hard and right decisions for the car. Looking forward to see how the car will perform under race conditions. And for I stating that they WONT come out swing is not a slap in the face to Porsche, maybe to you but not to Porsche. They have something to prove like I said, prove something more to themselves than any other.

There is no reason for you to assume or be fetal minded. Assumption is never good.

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I should have said wise instead of good.

How is saying that Porsche aren't going to come out swinging in their first year not a slap or devalue to them? They're not going to do an evaluation year like Toyota and still claim they're trying but don't expect much. Also if they have something to prove why wouldn't they come out swinging? What assumption am I making, I just debunked (with others) what you said prior and now you rather go on the angle of assumptions. Are you giving up on Porsche being rusty or out of practice?
 
Yes, I clearly stated at times I don’t explain things clearly, that is beside the point. The point here is VW pushing to have Porsche back in the lime light which is fine and good. They got some of the best engineers, driver to design and develop the new car. I enjoy the looks of the car, I myself feel the car should compete in P2 and cut its teeth there, develop in that class, though the car has been developed to compete in P1. And to have Audi program step down to give the win to Porsche is a cheap way to brand you product. Audi has held the title for some years now and one thing I would enjoy the most as well my dear friend Josh from Peru would, is to see Porsche take it from Audi. Not to just have it over to them just because both brands are less than one umbrella. As for Porsche being rusty and out of practice yes, giving up on Porsche no, I want to see what they got, is Porsche still Porsche.
 
Yes, I clearly stated at times I don’t explain things clearly, that is beside the point.

No it's not it could have given us a nice detour around half of what has transgressed.

The point here is VW pushing to have Porsche back in the lime light which is fine and good. They got some of the best engineers, driver to design and develop the new car. I enjoy the looks of the car, I myself feel the car should compete in P2 and cut its teeth there, develop in that class, though the car has been developed to compete in P1.

You do realize that P2 is cost capped right? Also why would VW and more so the Porsche Execs. allow that when they've always raced in the premier class at Le Mans. It has done P2 already and proved itself and it was during a time when it wasn't cost capped. Once again Penske Porsche are part of the reason P2 is a cost capped series.

And to have Audi program step down to give the win to Porsche is a cheap way to brand you product. Audi has held the title for some years now and one thing I would enjoy the most as well my dear friend Josh from Peru would, is to see Porsche take it from Audi. Not to just have it over to them just because both brands are less than one umbrella. As for Porsche being rusty and out of practice yes, giving up on Porsche no, I want to see what they got, is Porsche still Porsche.

Blame VW for ingraining the idea in us, and for supposedly doing so back in 2003 with Bentley. I'd say the only real time Audi was beat was in their first year and against Peugeot in 2009 (was it?). There are a lot of politics in racing and automotive in general, it shouldn't be surprising. Trust me Porsche isn't out of practice the project has been in the works since 2011, and they've had another in house team as a guide. From what I recall some engineers that worked on the audi projects are working on the Porsche.
 
Hey don't forget about Toyota! They still have to win from them, and we all know Toyota isn't just going to hand it over..

A bit of out of the box thinking, but maybe Porsche could get other manufacturers on the WEC wagon. If Audi is out, others could also see their chance to try and win.

But Audi is still competing in WEC for 2014 or is something confirmed?
 
Hey don't forget about Toyota! They still have to win from them, and we all know Toyota isn't just going to hand it over..

A bit of out of the box thinking, but maybe Porsche could get other manufacturers on the WEC wagon. If Audi is out, others could also see their chance to try and win.

But Audi is still competing in WEC for 2014 or is something confirmed?

They are still on for 2014. I don't think Audi would have to leave to get more people to join, rather I think they just need to be beat to show it is possible.
 
I think were going to be in for a real treat in 2014. With the new rule changes coming in we'll hopefully see more competition. I'm still supporting Audi 100% but having an extra manufacturer in P1 is brilliant.

Also you're right LMS Peugeot beat Audi in 2009.

Oh and Zuel, you say this isn't the 90's in reference to the GT1 days, this also isn't the 80's when in comes down to Group C...
 
I think 2014 will be the year when I finally go see Le Mans ... at Le Mans. Three major factory teams in LMP1 make for an interesting fight for the overall win. Not that I don't care about the ever exciting GT fight, but to see the big guns battle it out is a sight I'd like to behold.
 
As I say to everyone about Le Mans, there's just isn't a good enough way of describing Le Mans to someone who hasn't been. With Porsche back on the scene next year will be one of the greats, I'm sure of it.
 
@Zuel , @LMSCorvetteGT2 - Only area LMP1 is remotely similar to Group C is that it is top category. However to call "C" class top class is technically wrong as Group C was split into two classes - C1 and C2, much like the current LMP1 / LMP2 split.

Porsche are one of the greatest sportscar makers of all time and theres a reason a Porsche has been on grid every year at La Sarthe in one form or another since the 1960's, maybe 50's? Also VW Group are pushing, but not just for Porsche. If Porsche was truly going to be the focus then why are Audi still in there? Porsche know how to build Prototypes, and make them run fast. Look at the phenomenal RS Spyder. There's a reason in the Le Mans 2014 Porsche video that LMP2 Spyders are being used for things like pit stops - Porsche are using all there background experience.

Overall Porsche vs Toyota vs Audi will be an epic scrap. And I have to give a shout out to ADESS, ORECA, WR, Dome, and others coming into LMP1.

Next year will be a classic year. Relax and enjoy.
 
Talking of all the extra (hopefully) P1 cars coming next year, I was looking through my 2006 spotters guide and it was amazing to see how many there were. Hopefully we'll see some nice big P1 grids next year.
 
@Furinkazen
Your first comment expresses my point, Porsche coming back to racing in the top tier, even with the Audi involvement is not to say was a mindless thought. They knew how to approach this project from the start, they already had the resources in place thought they missed a few key people in order to proceed with development, project managing, engineering and design. Once they had those resources it was off to work form they and they have advanced the car in a very short time, a well-designed and crafted car. I have no doubts the drivers and teams will see the podium but not in the fashion Porsche is seeking, I want to see them beat there ownership brethren, earn the title. As of now P1 is solely going to be run in the FIA WEC if matters continue as they are, which some feel is a bold move, giving that class is separate championship. Allowing P2 to be the top class in the newly developed United Sports Car Championship sponsored by TUDOR.

With P1 having its own championship should bring a lot more manufactures which will further technology in the automotive industry, which will further racing the same. A larger amount of people will enjoy seeing this type of evolution in motor sports racing; I’m one of those people. As you said as well C class had two classes just as Prototype, though now there are three prototype classes, which is on another matter. Audi has the resources to develop a P2 car just as Porsche and Bentley, both will do well but why should Audi stop competing in P1 just for business. In some cases I can see the relevance of the discussion that lead to the decision for it to happen. Though having Audi step down from P1 in a few years in pointless to as selling a brand even though that brand had a hold of that class throughout the years of hard fought competition. If VW wishes to sell the brand have Bentley compete in the P2 class if feel the need to sells the brands.
 
@Zuel

@Furinkazen
As of now P1 is solely going to be run in the FIA WEC if matters continue as they are, which some feel is a bold move, giving that class is separate championship. Allowing P2 to be the top class in the newly developed United Sports Car Championship sponsored by TUDOR.

P2's existence in the USCR is nothing to do with WEC or LMP1. Also why quote full series name? Mouthful much?

Though now there are three prototype classes, which is on another matter. Audi has the resources to develop a P2 car just as Porsche and Bentley, both will do well but why should Audi stop competing in P1 just for business. In some cases I can see the relevance of the discussion that lead to the decision for it to happen. Though having Audi step down from P1 in a few years in pointless to as selling a brand even though that brand had a hold of that class throughout the years of hard fought competition. If VW wishes to sell the brand have Bentley compete in the P2 class if feel the need to sells the brands.

Technically there are now 4 classes from 2014 onwards in LMP type racing. LMP1 also has a LMP1-H sub category for factory hybrids. Then there's LMP2, and LMPC / FLM.
 
I'm confident that Porsche is going to blow away the competition at Le Mans (unless they wreck which is never a good thing). Audi and Peugeot have little chance against Porsche.

EDIT: I also can't forget Toyota.
 
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Toyota* ;)

I can't see that happening, Audi are the best of the best and I can't see next year being any different! I'd like to be proven wrong though...
 
As for Porsche being rusty and out of practice yes, giving up on Porsche no, I want to see what they got, is Porsche still Porsche.
Explain to me how the world's most dominant race car manufacturer is "rusty and out of practice"? Just because they haven't had a car in the top class at Le Mans in a decade.

Perhaps we need to look at Porsche's history of race cars' debut years at Le Mans & how many of them took wins in them?
-Porsche introduces the 936 in 1976. It wins first time out & '77. Coincidentally, Porsche introduced the 935 this year as well; it took its class win & 4th overall (it's K3 variant would also win its debut year, but technically still a 935). The 936 would manage 1 more win in '81 before her 956 successor debuted.
-Porsche introduces the 956 in 1982 to comply with new Group C regs & wins 4 years straight with multiple 1-2-3+ finishes.
-The 962C debuted in 1984 with a DNF & finished 3rd in 1985, so not technically a first time winner, but still gave Porsche its last 2 of a record breaking 7 consecutive wins in '86 & '87 for a car built as an evolution of the 956.
-The WSC-95 debuts in 1996, & wins and in 1997.
-The 911 GT1 debuts in 1996 as well, but finishes 2nd & 3rd giving the car a debut 1-2 GT1 win & Porsche a full podium victory with 2 different classed, brand new cars. '97 was a fluke, but still Porsche victory overall with WSC. '98 was the GT1's golden year with another 1-2 GT1 & overall finish giving Porsche it's last 3 consecutive titles with respectively new race cars.

Any of the cars beyond the 936 naturally did not capture such immediate success since it wasn't until the 917's 2nd year that Porsche finally won a Le Mans, but most of them made damn good attempts at dethroning Ford by finishing right behind in all but '67 & Ferrari in its final years.

Now I'm sure most of this isn't new to you, but it must have been forgotten because it means Porsche is far from "rusty and out of practice" when it comes to introducing new cars at Le Mans. And it's because Porsche A) has a giant history book of what has worked & hasn't worked with the winners above & B) a 911 is always out there racing for Porsche to develop more racing knowledge, whether technological or strategical. Again, I will say Porsche's chances of winning are against them because the odds are always against a new car, but out of everyone, Porsche has had the greatest success with Le Mans & the majority of it from completely new cars. And there is no doubt Porsche will be taking every bit of knowledge from what made those new cars so dominating & applying it to the LMP1 next year, which means Porsche has never been rusty or out of practice as long as history provides them with recipes for success.

Will Audi have the advantage of winning again & be hard to conquer? Naturally, but no one should forget that Peugeot & Toyota were still able to bring a fight to Audi & neither have Porsche's unmatched record. Remember, in the 5 years Peugeot ran, they had a car finish 2nd in 4 of the 5 races. Toyota finished 2nd & 4th this year after the retirements of last. That's not bad, & much of those losses came to Audi carrying a bit of luck on their side. I really see the only thing stopping Porsche from winning next year are the technical issues that ultimately throw the odds against new comers. If those issues subside or Porsche knock them out fast, Audi's luck literally may run out of being able to stay far enough ahead of the competition til' the finish.

Of course, luck or no luck, it is Audi & they may bring something completely new of their own that neither Toyota or Porsche will anticipate.
 
I'll be disappointed if it's not Rothmans.

Won't be down to EU Cigarette branding regs.

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