Porsche LMP1 confirmed for 2014, goodbye Audi?

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If I had my way it'd be a close call between Gulf and Rothmans...

Although I can imagine the livery on the GTE car would look pretty good on a Prototype.
 
TheCracker
Martini has to be the next best choice then.
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No...

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R0ssingt0n
If I had my way it'd be a close call between Gulf and Rothmans...

Although I can imagine the livery on the GTE car would look pretty good on a Prototype.
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Wasn't that a celebration of 50 years of the 911? - would be a bit irrelevant on an LMP1 car, as well as a year out of date.

Gulf has been flogged to death now. Aren't they tied up with Aston Martin too?
 
Needs Mobil 1.

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Corvette are tied with Mobil 1, but I wouldn't write it off... I'm thinking Adidas;)
 
I'm expecting them to show up wearing the white & orange livery they've been displaying on the KERS cars, personally.
 
MoLiEG
Porsche is serious then :o

...I think Audi's domination ends next year...
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I wouldn't be confident making that assertion. People tend to forget that even though Audi runs a very efficient machine from top to bottom, they also happen to partner with a team called Joest Racing that just knows how to run these cars under pressure.
 
Let's not forget though that Porsche is just as familiar with Joest as well. They may very well be aware of how to anticipate how Joest will plan for 2014.
 
Furinkazen
@Zuel , @LMSCorvetteGT2 - Only area LMP1 is remotely similar to Group C is that it is top category. However to call "C" class top class is technically wrong as Group C was split into two classes - C1 and C2, much like the current LMP1 / LMP2 split.

Porsche are one of the greatest sportscar makers of all time and theres a reason a Porsche has been on grid every year at La Sarthe in one form or another since the 1960's, maybe 50's? Also VW Group are pushing, but not just for Porsche. If Porsche was truly going to be the focus then why are Audi still in there? Porsche know how to build Prototypes, and make them run fast. Look at the phenomenal RS Spyder. There's a reason in the Le Mans 2014 Porsche video that LMP2 Spyders are being used for things like pit stops - Porsche are using all there background experience.

Overall Porsche vs Toyota vs Audi will be an epic scrap. And I have to give a shout out to ADESS, ORECA, WR, Dome, and others coming into LMP1.

Next year will be a classic year. Relax and enjoy.
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Don't tell me tell the other guy, basically what you said is what I said, all but the split in group C. Which I didn't think was important..

McLaren
Let's not forget though that Porsche is just as familiar with Joest as well. They may very well be aware of how to anticipate how Joest will plan for 2014.
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This as well.
 
hsv010
Corvette are tied with Mobil 1, but I wouldn't write it off... I'm thinking Adidas;)
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It's the same minor Mobil 1 Sponsorship Corvette Racing has had since 1999... the same year that the Factory Porsche's ran Le Mans in full Mobil 1 regalia. The factory 991 RSR's that raced this year are also "tied with Mobil 1" in that sense.

And it's not like the USCR and WEC are in completely different markets with different fan bases or anything.

Anyways, new era of Porsche racing, new livery. No repeating the past!
 
LMSCorvetteGT2
I've read a lot of your post and it seems like people have to help you along because you don't quite have the knowledge you think you have regarding endurance and sport car racing.
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Some seem to have too much 'knowledge'. Some would benefit from just enjoying the racing for what it is and not trying to get deep into the finer points of everything.

Just look at the above post for a prime example.
 
Diehardracer
Some seem to have too much 'knowledge'. Some would benefit from just enjoying the racing for what it is and not trying to get deep into the finer points of everything.

Just look at the above post for a prime example.
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What's wrong with the above post?
 
Snaeper
It's the same minor Mobil 1 Sponsorship Corvette Racing has had since 1999... the same year that the Factory Porsche's ran Le Mans in full Mobil 1 regalia. The factory 991 RSR's that raced this year are also "tied with Mobil 1" in that sense.

And it's not like the USCR and WEC are in completely different markets with different fan bases or anything.

Anyways, new era of Porsche racing, new livery. No repeating the past!
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Porsche didn't enter Le Mans as a factory in 1999, it was their sabbatical (that ended up lasting until this year).
 
Audi is not going to bend over to Porsche in the Le Mans
Audi will come back with something to teach anyone a less if they think they can dethrone audi
 
LMSCorvetteGT2
What's wrong with the above post?
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What I am saying is do we really need to know about the past? For example do we really need to debate whether or not past classes are any better to today's classes? Furinkazen talked about the LMP1 and Group C. He said LMP1 is a top category and it is misleading as Group C was split into two classes; C1 and C2. I am sure to a beginner in endurance racing that is fascinating historical info, but is it really relevant today?

Do we really likewise need to know details like who is behind what and who is supplying what to whom? Let the teams worry about the logistics of setting up and running of themselves I say.

Porsche are running an LMP1 car with Mark Webber and possibly Neel Jani (according to what I know) next year and we look to have a competitive LMP2 car in the ADESS-02 which I am sure teams like OAK and Greaves will want to have. That is more than enough details for me. It means we could have a strong WEC 2014 and that is all I am sure any of us want.
 
Diehardracer
What I am saying is do we really need to know about the past? For example do we really need to debate whether or not past classes are any better to today's classes? Furinkazen talked about the LMP1 and Group C. He said LMP1 is a top category and it is misleading as Group C was split into two classes; C1 and C2. I am sure to a beginner in endurance racing that is fascinating historical info, but is it really relevant today?
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Well considering that it helps compose a factual argument, considering that Porsche does have a past in Sport Car racing and Le Mans victory. We weren't really making a full on debate about it, and another user as I said didn't really seem to get the fact that Porsche had other successful programs in sport car racing apart from Group C. He seemed to think that Group C was their last real wins. Why wouldn't be relevant? Also relevancy is subjective so you thinking it is not is your view. Also this is a forum and this is related to the thread, so why you question this when you could find some new user creating a thread that doesn't need to be made just to get "noticed" I don't know.

Do we really likewise need to know details like who is behind what and who is supplying what to whom? Let the teams worry about the logistics of setting up and running of themselves I say.
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I rather be corrected or see others, then just spouting out wrong info and many others do the same. Once again it is a forum people want to talk about it, and it is related to the thread topic.

Porsche are running an LMP1 car with Mark Webber and possibly Neel Jani (according to what I know) next year and we look to have a competitive LMP2 car in the ADESS-02 which I am sure teams like OAK and Greaves will want to have. That is more than enough details for me. It means we could have a strong WEC 2014 and that is all I am sure any of us want.
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Yeah the ADESS should be fast but there are others I'd say and we wont know till the first WEC testing who is truly fast. If following that is enough for you then go to the Le Mans thread and talk about it or don't read the discussion here. Not sure what I can tell you, those would be more to what you want, but they too have a lot of of other discussion. Anyways, there are always twitter feeds you can follow that don't have the discussion.
 
Going to clarify I meant Group C is a general term, like LMP. To be specific you'd be in C1 and C2, like LMP1 and LMP2.
 
Furinkazen
Going to clarify I meant Group C is a general term, like LMP. To be specific you'd be in C1 and C2, like LMP1 and LMP2.
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So did I, which is why it made sense what you were trying to do. Also most people that are long time racing fans do the same.
 
LMSCorvetteGT2
....so why you question this when you could find some new user creating a thread that doesn't need to be made just to get "noticed" I don't know.
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I don't do it to get noticed.

All I am saying is certain issues are not that much of a major concern imho which is sad because less seasoned fans could feel a little disconcerted to read about details of issues from other members that are way beyond them and know they may be unable to take part and feel on quite the same intellectual level.
 
Diehardracer
I don't do it to get noticed.

All I am saying is certain issues are not that much of a major concern imho which is sad because less seasoned fans could feel a little disconcerted to read about details of issues from other members that are way beyond them and know they may be unable to take part and feel on quite the same intellectual level.
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What? :odd:

ANyhow back on topic. No-one actually is sure what engine is in the thing. Appears most likely is a 90 degree V4. And straight from Mulsanne Corner site, annotated pics of the RS from Monza testing are here:

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Details: http://www.mulsannescorner.com/newssept13.html
 
I read that article the other day, love the Mulsanne Corner site. I think its safe to say it'll be a 4 banger, the type though we'll just have to wait and see...
 
MoLiEG
Porsche is serious then :O

...I think Audi's domination ends next year...
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That's what people said when Toyota came back to Le Mans...

If anything, I'm looking forward to these three manufacturers battling it out rather than Audi being beaten. We're going to see 3 spectacular machines next year, that is for sure.
 
Diehardracer
I don't do it to get noticed.

All I am saying is certain issues are not that much of a major concern imho which is sad because less seasoned fans could feel a little disconcerted to read about details of issues from other members that are way beyond them and know they may be unable to take part and feel on quite the same intellectual level.
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Once again that is your subjective view, which isn't shared by the majority. If you don't like what is being said then just move on. Also some of what is said by members isn't beyond them, and it's funny you'd suggest such but not expand on how or why they supposedly don't know what they're saying. Also same intellectual level as who, since you seem to give a general impression that all people shouldn't do it.
R0ssingt0n
I read that article the other day, love the Mulsanne Corner site. I think its safe to say it'll be a 4 banger, the type though we'll just have to wait and see...
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Why do you say that? It could be a six cylinder I mean the seems to have debunked the flat 4 theory, and I don't see why they would go V4 (a uncommon road car config) unless this is about winning rather than what Audi do (win and help road going side).

Also that article only helps solidify what I said to @Zuel about the P2 Porsche's being a car comparable to P1 or a car to benchmark test and help develop the new P1 car. Glad Porsche tested both together.

Second intake is probably a KERS system or some other hybrid system. Also I wonder if the Gurney bubble is for Webber, extractor I should say, since it is new from the first test car and the only thing big since then that aligns with it is the signing of a particularly tall F1 driver.
 
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