Project cars 2 bug report Q&A

[andryush]

Any game will do this if you push 20 buttons in 10 seconds. Slow down and give it time to process

Lol, all fighting games must be unplayable then! I'm sure there can't be nothing wrong with PC2!

 

[John Wells]

I'm not sure if it did it on PC1.

 

[diesel97]

Lol, all fighting games must be unplayable then! I'm sure there can't be nothing wrong with PC2!

You must have missed the point of having to load and read different replays. You are basically loading different race every time you switch players

 

[MroczMR]

You must have missed the point of having to load and read different replays. You are basically loading different race every time you switch players

eeeermmm no? If he saved replay other players are just "tracks". He is not loading other races every time he switch player.

 

[diesel97]

eeeermmm no? If he saved replay other players are just "tracks". He is not loading other races every time he switch player.

So the replay is the same for P1 as it is for P3?

 

[IfAndOr]

You are basically loading different race every time you switch players

Now that would be a bug!

So the replay is the same for P1 as it is for P3?

It's from a different perspective, but yes it's the same replay. I might take a little while to update to the new view but it shouldn't crash like @John Wells mentioned.

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Anyways...
I've looked back over a few pages and couldn't see my problem.
PS4 pro. I'm having some graphical anomaly's. The right and bottom of my screen behave very strangely, I was wondering if anyone else had the same problem?

Spoiler: Examples

During the races it is generally fine except for a single row of pixels also on the bottom and the right of the screen behaving erratically - which I think I did see reported.

Sorry if it's been mentioned before but as I said I couldn't spot it.

 

[John Wells]

I'm on Pro as well, but not seen that, quite annoying having look like that.

I'm only watching one replay at the time, the crashing don't happen all the time. When I leave it for a couple of days, it works without crashing. Just annoying having to start the game again.

 

[zuqbu]

Now that would be a bug!
It's from a different perspective, but yes it's the same replay. I might take a little while to update to the new view but it shouldn't crash like @John Wells mentioned.

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Anyways...
I've looked back over a few pages and couldn't see my problem.
PS4 pro. I'm having some graphical anomaly's. The right and bottom of my screen behave very strangely, I was wondering if anyone else had the same problem?

Spoiler: Examples

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During the races it is generally fine except for a single row of pixels also on the bottom and the right of the screen behaving erratically - which I think I did see reported.

Sorry if it's been mentioned before but as I said I couldn't spot it.

I have had the same bugs as well since update 3.00 and thereafter. The row of pixels at the bottom/right of the screen I've described a couple of pages ago.

I finally got around to making a video of the other issue. From what I observed the following glitch is occurring only on the PS4 Pro, and my guess is it's related to dynamic resolution (take note of the 'frame' that expands and compresses right after I go into replay mode).



This happens in replays, photo mode, during cinematic pit stops and in the showroom. Not always, but quite a lot. Onboard during races I don't have the issue, unless sometimes when I set the visual bias to 'Enhanced Resolution' this can happen (and the expanding and compressing frame is much more noticeable here):



Currently this glitch doesn't affect gameplay since I am using 'Enhanced Framerate' all the time, but my fear is that if this bug is unacknowledged/unaddressed it might spoil the fun for me one day. Which would be a shame since I'm enjoying the game a lot right now

@The_American @IanBell Would be great to see a fix sometimes in the future, let me know if you need more footage or steps to reproduce the issue. Thanks in advance

 

[IfAndOr]

@zuqbu that's it. I'm glad it's not just me. I was thinking that my PS4 was going faulty.

It's odd because what appears in the "faulty" area doesn't seem to relate at all to anything else being displayed on the screen. In fact there's often a scrolling banner with writing on it.
Luckily I've not experienced the fault as per your second video, although I'm using the enhanced graphics mode instead.

The row of pixels at the bottom/right of the screen I've described a couple of pages ago.

I thought I'd seen it somewhere.

 

[novcze]

I finally got around to making a video of the other issue. From what I observed the following glitch is occurring only on the PS4 Pro, and my guess is it's related to dynamic resolution (take note of the 'frame' that expands and compresses right after I go into replay mode).

I tried PC2 demo and it was the same on my PS4Pro ... I hope they fix these bugs before I get fed up by GT Sport physics, but I honestly don't believe they will.

 

[Allan Yesu]

I know it was already spoken a few pages ago, but just to reinforce, I'm running the Pirelli World Challenge with an Audi R8 LMS 2015 GT3 (with a controller) and definitely the car is behaving in a way in training and qualifying and in another completely different way in the race.

Although the setup is the same, the behavior of the car in straights and curves is abnormally different. I had already noticed this in the Nissan GT-R Nismo, but I do not know if it is a problem just for GT3 cars or if other cars from other classes are affected as well. And I realize that the fuel is automatically changed too.

 

[ozwheels]

I know it was already spoken a few pages ago, but just to reinforce, I'm running the Pirelli World Challenge with an Audi R8 LMS 2015 GT3 (with a controller) and definitely the car is behaving in a way in training and qualifying and in another completely different way in the race.

Although the setup is the same, the behavior of the car in straights and curves is abnormally different. I had already noticed this in the Nissan GT-R Nismo, but I do not know if it is a problem just for GT3 cars or if other cars from other classes are affected as well. And I realize that the fuel is automatically changed too.

I'm thinking of stop playing the career mode for now because of this problem, it's frustrating to spend a reasonable amount of time adjusting the setup of the car and then seeing that the same car is behaving in an incomprehensible way in the race.

Are you using soft tires?

 

[Allan Yesu]

Are you using soft tires?

Hey man, thanks for the attention. So, yes, i'm using soft tires, but in some way i think the car feels different, the car oversteer and understeer more easily, and the steering does not feel as smooth as before. The temperature of the track and the period of the day can have a direct relation with the drivability that much? Sorry my ignorance, i'm just trying to understand what is wrong.

 

[Gr8_Lakes]

The temperature of the track and the period of the day can have a direct relation with the drivability that much?

Absolutely! This is the beauty of PCars 2 and LiveTrack. Conditions will always be changing, so there's no such thing as, "This is an 83mph corner, this is a 57mph corner, etc." Something that annoys me about other racing games - I hate the repeatability.

As far as the soft tires, they're a no no unless temperatures are cold. Anything over 60* Fahrenheit track temp, and I'm on hard tires. Especially since you're starting the race on preheated tires, you're going to grease them up in no time.

I really wish we had the option to choose preheated tires for practice and qualifying. This would help us to better understand how our car is going to perform at race start.

 

[ozwheels]

Hey man, thanks for the attention. So, yes, i'm using soft tires, but in some way i think the car feels different, the car oversteer more easily. The temperature of the track and the period of the day can have a direct relation with the drivability that much? Sorry my ignorance, i'm just triyng to understand what is wrong.

I can almost guarantee your problem is the tires are overheating in the race. It’s a downfall of the tires being stone cold in practice and qualifying and being pre warmed at the race start. To add to that the soft tires for GT3 at the moment have a serious issue with chronic understeer on the exit of corners. I saw a SMS post saying they experienced the same thing after patch 3. I would just use Hards even on a cold track until the softs are fixed.

 

[Allan Yesu]

I can almost guarantee your problem is the tires are overheating in the race. It’s a downfall of the tires being stone cold in practice and qualifying and being pre warmed at the race start. To add to that the soft tires for GT3 at the moment have a serious issue with chronic understeer on the exit of corners. I saw a SMS post saying they experienced the same thing after patch 3. I would just use Hards even on a cold track until the softs are fixed.

Interesting. The next time I play, I'll make some changes and see if conditions improve. Thank you, my friend.

 

[Daz555]

I think this one fits in the mix between missing feature and a bug. Plenty of race series want to run stock setups and this is such a pain in PC2 right now. The main issues are:

1. You can't select fuel load in a forced setup as it is hidden in the setups menu which is greyed out. This means that in order for the whole field to have either the same starting fuel, or allow them to choose their own fuel strategy, the whole field has to pit after the offical start and use a pitstop strategy to configure their fuel load. You then have to organise a fake restart.

2. Forced setups don't seem to give all players the same setups, but instead seem to give them the last of the default setups available last time you used that car. So for example if you try and race at Daytona in a Ford Fusion NASCAR but had recently loaded a road setup for that car in single player, you'd end up with that being your stock setup when joining an online race with forced setups. Last night when qualifying for a race (one hot lap qualifying for a 300km race at Indianapolis) I utterly failed first time out as car was a mess with forced setups. I then went back to single player, loaded the "stable oval" setup, saved, and went back to qualifying and the car felt as it should again.

Point 1 needs to be fixed in two ways. Firstly they to make sure that when forced setups is enabled that ALL cars have the same starting fuel. Secondly we should have the option to have forced setups and allow players to choose their fuel load. Ultimately I'd like to see the option to allow us to decouple fuel and tyres from forced setup racing.

Point 2 either needs fixing by ensuring forced setups really do mean all players get the same setup, or they could even add an option to "Force use of selectable default setups". So for say Ford Fusion this would mean players could select Stable Oval or Loose Road etc.

 

[mattikake]

Interesting. The next time I play, I'll make some changes and see if conditions improve. Thank you, my friend.

It either as described with tyres or it's the oversteer/processing issue bug.

Every now and then pc2 gets itself in a hole with online racing and something happens that transforms your car into a pos. I believe it to be a processing power issue and controller input delay. Others think it's a bug with live track where not everyone gets the same track conditions or you don't see the conditions (e.g. it's wet but looks like a dry track). Some think there is still a case for wrong setups being loaded into the car. Personally I've see all 3 issues but the processing issue seems to be the most common.

https://www.gtplanet.net/forum/thre...sessions-feature-or-bug.366062/#post-12065938

But it never happens in single player racing or practice and only happens online.

It's not even a confirmed bug and I never expect it to be fixed because it's so hard to recreate and trace but it's definitely there and definitely ruins your experience.

 

[Allan Yesu]

It either as described with tyres or it's the oversteer/processing issue bug.

Every now and then pc2 gets itself in a hole with online racing and something happens that transforms your car into a pos. I believe it to be a processing power issue and controller input delay. Others think it's a bug with live track where not everyone gets the same track conditions or you don't see the conditions (e.g. it's wet but looks like a dry track). Some think there is still a case for wrong setups being loaded into the car. Personally I've see all 3 issues but the processing issue seems to be the most common.

https://www.gtplanet.net/forum/thre...sessions-feature-or-bug.366062/#post-12065938

But it never happens in single player racing or practice and only happens online.

It's not even a confirmed bug and I never expect it to be fixed because it's so hard to recreate and trace but it's definitely there and definitely ruins your experience.

Very enlightening, we can understand what may be happening now. It's definitely not something imaginary, it's there, although it's hard to explain just how different the car behaves between one session and another. Thanks for the feedback!

 

[Gr8_Lakes]

The fact that we still have to reset all our personal gameplay settings after we join an online lobby with different settings is a friggin' joke! I love this game, but man, I'm getting impatient with the fixes. It's been a while since we've had a solid patch for some goofy issues. My biggest complaint is the low volume on PS4, but now this deal where we constantly have to go back and reset our gameplay settings, just because we joined an online lobby, is just, well, GOOFY!!!

 

[Daz555]

The fact that we still have to reset all our personal gameplay settings after we join an online lobby with different settings is a friggin' joke! I love this game, but man, I'm getting impatient with the fixes. It's been a while since we've had a solid patch for some goofy issues. My biggest complaint is the low volume on PS4, but now this deal where we constantly have to go back and reset our gameplay settings, just because we joined an online lobby, is just, well, GOOFY!!!

Can you expand on this? What gameplay settings get messed up when you join a lobby?

 

[Mr Tree]

Yes multiple threads...

I want to be able to rejoin the leagues I drove in but for that the netcode has to become stable! It's been months get it fixed allready!

 

[Gr8_Lakes]

Can you expand on this? What gameplay settings get messed up when you join a lobby?

For instance, if I have penalties turned off in my Gameplay settings, and I join an online lobby with penalties turned on, my Gameplay settings get reset to penalties on. I don't realize it until I run an offline race and receive a penalty. Then I have to exit the race, reset my Gameplay settings, and start all over again. The same applies to things like forced cockpit view. Once you join a lobby with forced cockpit view, the next lobby you create will also have forced cockpit view unless you change it. Whatever online lobby I enter - my Gameplay settings get set to theirs. It's kind of a bummer.

 

[ozwheels]

Tires being different temperatures and pressures from practice to the race is also getting very frustrating. It feels like practice is meaningless when the car balance is different in the race. The tires should be preheated for every session or none at all.

 

[FOG-Smokebeer]

The fact that we still have to reset all our personal gameplay settings after we join an online lobby with different settings is a friggin' joke! I love this game, but man, I'm getting impatient with the fixes. It's been a while since we've had a solid patch for some goofy issues. My biggest complaint is the low volume on PS4, but now this deal where we constantly have to go back and reset our gameplay settings, just because we joined an online lobby, is just, well, GOOFY!!!

Yeh pc1 did this as well it was annoying at least you can go to the favorits and click on a older session to get most the settings back.

 

[diesel97]

For instance, if I have penalties turned off in my Gameplay settings, and I join an online lobby with penalties turned on, my Gameplay settings get reset to penalties on. I don't realize it until I run an offline race and receive a penalty. Then I have to exit the race, reset my Gameplay settings, and start all over again. The same applies to things like forced cockpit view. Once you join a lobby with forced cockpit view, the next lobby you create will also have forced cockpit view unless you change it. Whatever online lobby I enter - my Gameplay settings get set to theirs. It's kind of a bummer.

I think you are asking too much if you expect your offline (career,TT, free practice) setting to carry over to online. If you are setting up your own lobby you go through the setup steps, if you are joining an online lobby you go with their setups. I haven't seen an issue my self

 

[Georgeagea]

I think you are asking too much if you expect your offline (career,TT, free practice) setting to carry over to online. If you are setting up your own lobby you go through the setup steps, if you are joining an online lobby you go with their setups. I haven't seen an issue my self

His problem is the opposite! The online settings are being carried over to his personal offline settings which is annoying!
No one is expecting his personal offline settings to override online lobbies settings, but also his personal offline settings should remain intact regardless of the online settings!

 

[Gr8_Lakes]

His problem is the opposite! The online settings are being carried over to his personal offline settings which is annoying!
No one is expecting his personal offline settings to override online lobbies settings, but also his personal offline settings should remain intact regardless of the online settings!

Exactly. Thank you.

 

[Morgoth_666]

This was a little odd. I may just be missing it, but I can't find any mention of it on GTP, and only 1 old thread on Steam(which seemed to suggest it was a common issue at the time) and one old thread on the official forums. EDIT: actually the Steam thread isn't that old, somebody was having the same issue in December.

I finally decided to play around with pCARS 2 today for a little while, and it has taken over an hour to manage to get to where I can even use the main menus(just because of time spent fiddling and rebooting and searching the web... I'm overly patient, but not daft). I started the game, it seemed to work(but the intro video was really choppy for some reason -- that seems to be better now). But then I couldn't do anything. Anytime I clicked the mouse the game would minimize. I could get it back and then I clicked again and back to desktop. Eventually I couldn't get back to the game and had to quit and restart.

This time I confirmed that my mouse was also not doing what I was telling it to do, it would activate the wrong options. Eventually I realized that the game was only fully recognizing inputs from my gamepad. I disconnected that, and then it would only recognize input from the wheel correctly. But it had now become a constant state of a single mouseclick would lock out of the game forever, forcing a restart.

After a bunch of frustration I found that this was something that happened after the first Win10 creators update(each of which keeps causing various annoying issues to reoccur) and affects playing in fullscreen. The first suggestion was switch to windowed mode and switch back. Tried that, it worked in windowed mode but not when switching back).

After refusing to immediately accept that I had to run in a borderless window I finally learned due to a post on the official forums from way back in May that if the Steam main window is not minimized after starting the game it doesn't recognize the mouse is in the game so clicking it will switch back to desktop and you can't get back to the game. I tried this and sure enough it works, the game becomes fully and properly functional. But if you ever reopen the steam window you get locked out of pCARS 2 again and have to start it all over. Hope you don't want to have any discussions with your friends during a long race.

How have I not seen any mention of this and how has it not been fixed after all this time? I tried searching in this forum for a few related terms and didn't find anything. Is there some sort of simple fix(besides running in a window or minimizing steam -- which are simple but not fixes) that everybody already knows about except me? I didn't have anything like this problem in the demo, except that it did really want me to use my controller just because it was connected which caused a couple minor annoyances.


And this after my final sendoff 10-hour le Mans race with Bob in pCARS 1 got marred by the steam overlay getting stuck so I had to drive through a gray fog with no instruments for the last hour and a half. Sigh. I'll be okay.


EDIT2: And this still apparently only barely solves the problem. If you want to take any notes about what you are doing, car setup, tricky spots for the AI, AI lap times, your lap times, endurance race preparation, make fuel mileage or pit length calculations, et cetera... you better get yourself a pen and paper because it's still going to screw up and lock you out of the game. Same if you have to deal with any other windows that might appear while playing. You might get away with switching to notepad etc once or twice, but sooner or later it's broken. Not acceptable.

 

[ozwheels]

GT3 wet tires are broken just like the softs. They have horrible understeer from the apex onward for no apparent reason. It’s like the front end aquaplanes through invisible puddles every corner, just as the softs do. Something has broken the softer compound tires with patch 3.