Project CARS 2 General Discussion Thread - Out Now on PS4/XB1/PC

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DesertPenguin09
No offense but how are you this deep into sim racing and don't know about times races?
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I think you wanted to quote me instead of @VYPA-SQUAD_Ace since it was me who was asking about timed races.

And yes I am kinda into sim racing (Rig+wheel+ps4+games) but I mainly follow F1, WRC Rally slightly as well as little bit of Moto GP.

Not everyone have the possibility/luxury to watch real races!
In my country, we don't have any racing tracks (except for karting which is obviously available everywhere).

I have never watched any race live! I would like to attend an F1 race sometime!

Also, believe it or not, I have never watched any GT1/GT2/GT3/GT4 race! I knew about those when I bought Assetto and started getting into it and this community! In fact, I don't remember watching any racing event (track+laps) except for F1, MotoGP, a bit of Nascar and Indycar. Nothing else, not even rallycross!

I don't follow any timed series. I have barely watched some highlights of Le Mans 24h; never followed it or even know anyone that raced in that series, except for Nico Hulkenberg because he races in F1.

Hope that clears things out a bit! Not everyone lives in the USA or Europe!

EDIT: Oh and I have never driven any racing/fast car... unless I consider my Celica as a fast car :lol:! Yup...
 
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Much better image actually shows the 488 Challenge.
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fasj6418
Nice! Google tells me it has 670hp, so it´s gonna be different than the GTE GT3 cars. Don´t know about aero, hopefully the performance is comparable to DTM-SuperGT.
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I'm pretty sure the main difference like the Porsche and the Lamborghini is that they each have lower downforce than their GT3 equivalents so go quicker in a straight line but lose their main time in the corners. Not sure about tyres though.
 
488 Challenge is Ferrari's equivalent to Lamborghini's Super Trofeo series and Porsche's GT3 Cup series.

They are entry level series that use slightly modified road cars. By slightly, I mean they have all the usual safety equipment, allowed racing suspension components and racing brakes. The rest of the car is pretty close to show room. They have minimal aero upgrades and minimal engine/drivetrain upgrades.

They are single make series' primarily designed for gentlemen racers who are just getting started in their racing careers.

This car should match up well against the Super Trofeo Hurucan.
 
Even living in the US its hard to get some of the good series. This is a great source to catch up on all your racing. Alot is youtube so its region specific so hope they work for you. I can't watch DTM through the links because of that but I can normally find it on youtube through another link.

http://www.gpreplay.com/
 
F1Racer68
488 Challenge is Ferrari's equivalent to Lamborghini's Super Trofeo series and Porsche's GT3 Cup series.

They are entry level series that use slightly modified road cars. By slightly, I mean they have all the usual safety equipment, allowed racing suspension components and racing brakes. The rest of the car is pretty close to show room. They have minimal aero upgrades and minimal engine/drivetrain upgrades.

They are single make series' primarily designed for gentlemen racers who are just getting started in their racing careers.

This car should match up well against the Super Trofeo Hurucan.
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Not sure I can agree with that statement about the Ferrari and Lamborghini, although it is somewhat right for the Porsche. These cars have pretty extensive aero.
 
fortbo
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Not sure I can agree with that statement about the Ferrari and Lamborghini, although it is somewhat right for the Porsche. These cars have pretty extensive aero.
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YEs, more so than the road cars, but still not full blown GT3 type levels. No real splitters, or massive diffusers, etc.

I do have to admit though, the 488 Challenge does have more than the former 458 Challenge and the 430 Challenge cars before that which is what I was visualizing when I posted earlier.

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As you can see, the older Ferrari CHallenge cars were much more in line with the Porsche GT3 Cup cars.

The Lambo on the other hand, that has almost GT3 levels of Aero, so probably a bad example...... :D
 
The 488 is a lot closer to the current race cars than the road cars as said by owners on FChat. Ferrari's Challenge cars are also not far off on pace of the full race cars as well; the 458 Challenge car was around a second behind the GTD, 2.5 seconds off a GT3 (practice time, though) & then the GTLM naturally blitzes it at 6 seconds. These are Road America times where the Challenge car isn't restricted by power regulations to make up a little difference.

Edit* The Huracan ST is a very different beast from the road car. A lot more aero, RWD, and judging by the experience of those who've raced them, they are very wild machines and can get inexperienced drivers into trouble quickly.
 
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Less than that with only highway
F1Racer68
They are single make series' primarily designed for gentlemen racers who are just getting started in their racing careers.

This car should match up well against the Super Trofeo Hurucan.
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wrt to Lamborghini ST:
- The series is open to Pro, Pro-Am, Am and Lamborghini Cup driver classes.
- The Ferrari Challenge has the Trofeo Pirelli, TP-AM, Copa Shell and Pirelli 458 categories.
- Porsche Cup Series have A- and B-driver classifications as well as a team and rookie championship.

Remember many pro drivers own one or more of these... even if at the time they were juniors or gents, they ARE fast.

ST's Monza results this year's best lap is a 1:47:621 (quali) and 1:48:676 (race)
488 Challenge Monza results this year's best lap: 1:48:843 (quali) and 1:50:326 (race)
Porsche Supercup *from 2016* (not new car IIRC): 1:52,614 (quali) and 1:53.385(race)

This of is at Monza... Fast track where speed is king but the Ferrari has this easy to drive reputation and we are not in the real world driving are we?
I do assume for them to be more or less equal. Setups, track's suiting one better... but it's the difference in drivers that will end up doing the difference.

The Porsche field runs way closer though while the other's only some guys may run on that lower second...

Everything else being equal the ST does seems superior. I mean the GT3's best laps were 1:47:423 in the 488 this year at Monza and at tracks like Spa the ST is faster than the GT3 (lap times) and at the mistral straight at HTTT the ST goes way above 300kph... GT3 rarely go above 270 and that's this year Nissan at HTTT with a draft! Not that it needed it... the Nissan just fly-by everything in gt3 when it comes to acceleration and top speed, clearly worse in the twisty bits though. Not that it matter as it just has to defend position :D

Need to see this year's later Porsche Supercup race to see how the lap times go down at Monza :)

I'm starting to digress so... yeah, let's see what the leaderboards will show after September 22nd

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Comparing Barcelona laps in 2016 an 2017 the Porsche Cup seems faster.
 
Some people are discussing times here, I have a quick question: if you don't apply restrictions to GT3 cars (like IMSA does) are they about even with the GTEs?
 
warp9engage
This is with both unrestricted (beside in-class BOP) correct?

I'm sure that must be what they're aiming for in PCARS 2. In PCARS 1 GTE was slower sometimes.
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In pCARS1 they detuned the GTE cars because they had them in the same class as GT3. In pCARS2 they will be in their own class so should be more representative of their actual laptimes.

Keep in mind that in the real world both classes have roughly similar horsepower. They make their laptimes in very different ways mainly due to aero packages and tires.
 
F1Racer68
In pCARS1 they detuned the GTE cars because they had them in the same class as GT3. In pCARS2 they will be in their own class so should be more representative of their actual laptimes.

Keep in mind that in the real world both classes have roughly similar horsepower. They make their laptimes in very different ways mainly due to aero packages and tires.
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I always felt like the GTE cars in game were a strong representative of their real performance (pre-2016). It was the GT3 Cars that seemed a lot faster. I personally thought this was down to tires since the classes never had the same tires to pick from IRL.
 
TexasTyme214
I always felt like the GTE cars in game were a strong representative of their real performance (pre-2016). It was the GT3 Cars that seemed a lot faster. I personally thought this was down to tires since the classes never had the same tires to pick from IRL.
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Having 3 compounds to choose from for the GT3s was simply WRONG. They have corrected htis in pCARS2 as explained recently by @The_American I believe. This made the GT3s a bit faster than they should have been, becuase of the soft compound.

Also, I know that the M3 GT2 (which was the precursor of GTE) was modified in game to use the same width of tires as the GT3 cars. In other words, narrower than real life for the car, which would have slowed it down in the corners. This had the effect of "BoP ing" the car to the GT3s. I'm not sure, but I htink they took a similar appraoch to the Aston and Corvette.
 

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