Project Motor Racing General Discussion

[Enzo_P1_GTR]

This really seems like flop seeing those low player Numbers on new game is not a good look. This game was overhyped.

Around 120 people playing on steam and a rating of around 2.23* on PSN

I deleted it after 30 minutes on day 1 and have not re downloaded it and wont I wont support a developer releasing a game in that state.

Only good thing for me at least was that PMR made me go back to playing GT7 again which I wasn't much before PMR release.

 

[Ande3200]

Around 120 people playing on steam and a rating of around 2.23* on PSN

I deleted it after 30 minutes on day 1 and have not re downloaded it and wont I wont support a developer releasing a game in that state.

Only good thing for me at least was that PMR made me go back to playing GT7 again which I wasn't much before PMR release.

And the good thing about gt7 now is that we got a breathe of new air with spec lll and power pack, before that it was very sterile for a good while, ac evo also got some new fresh fixes and content this week, and that has jump to 3000-4000 players now on steam, i see a lot talk about those games now, but very few about pmr.

But the worst part in my opinion is the devs jumping on the players and ban people for talking negative on the game, thats not going to sit well, not sure if they will be able to repair the damage thats been done now.

 

[SpacedInvader]

And the good thing about gt7 now is that we got a breathe of new air with spec lll and power pack, before that it was very sterile for a good while, ac evo also got some new fresh fixes and content this week, and that has jump to 3000-4000 players now on steam, i see a lot talk about those games now, but very few about pmr.

But the worst part in my opinion is the devs jumping on the players and ban people for talking negative on the game, thats not going to sit well, not sure if they will be able to repair the damage thats been done now.

They could rescue the game imo. They could, but probably won't.

Because to do it they'd have to simply make it much easier to drive for pad players (I'm talking GT7-level easy) and then get the word out there's good SP racing to be had in PMR. Cars and tracks and a structured SP career alone would attract v many more console punters.

Wheel/sim people would be apoplectic I guess, but if the devs want sales they gotta ignore that and get it known as kinda the 'New GT Sport' to sit alongside GT7.

I very strongly suspect the devs are v much sim players themselves though, and MP-focused to boot, making a game for themselves. Maybe they don't care about sales if they have the game they want?

GT7 Power Pack is strangely gonna buy them some time though, that's if they do want to fix things. Everyone so busy playing that for a month or two. If PMR can be fixed by Jan or Feb people finishing GT7 PP will be hungry for similar close racing elsewhere (GT7 SP won't provide it).

 

[warp9engage]

I have to say I'm glad the absentees from the car list made me hold out on getting this game. It's a shame, because more good racing games are always welcome in my book.

At least the soundtrack... that's maintained quality.

 

[Ande3200]

They could rescue the game imo. They could, but probably won't.

Because to do it they'd have to simply make it much easier to drive for pad players (I'm talking GT7-level easy) and then get the word out there's good SP racing to be had in PMR. Cars and tracks and a structured SP career alone would attract v many more console punters.

Wheel/sim people would be apoplectic I guess, but if the devs want sales they gotta ignore that and get it known as kinda the 'New GT Sport' to sit alongside GT7.

I very strongly suspect the devs are v much sim players themselves though, and MP-focused to boot, making a game for themselves. Maybe they don't care about sales if they have the game they want?

GT7 Power Pack is strangely gonna buy them some time though, that's if they do want to fix things. Everyone so busy playing that for a month or two. If PMR can be fixed by Jan or Feb people finishing GT7 PP will be hungry for similar close racing elsewhere (GT7 SP won't provide it).

I dont see it getting much better the damage is already done

 

[SpacedInvader]

I dont see it getting much better the damage is already done

If they don't put in the hours and at least try to repair things over the next month or so, you certainly will be proved right, I think.

PD bought time for GT7 with the 4-grind-races patch. PMR team gotta at least try for a Hail Mary. I'd go for a complete gamble on pad player numbers, as I said above.

If it does fail, there's still value in the SP for someone like me. But not that many are like me.

 

[Ande3200]

If they don't put in the hours and at least try to repair things over the next month or so, you certainly will be proved right, I think.

PD bought time for GT7 with the 4-grind-races patch. PMR team gotta at least try for a Hail Mary. I'd go for a complete gamble on pad player numbers, as I said above.

If it does fail, there's still value in the SP for someone like me. But not that many are like me.

Its not just about it bad state, and yes it launched worse than any other racing game in history, its the way the act against the players. Its going to take miracle to turn it around, having around 100 players on steam for a game thats just about 2 weeks old is not a good look, its Numbers you would consider a failure, not even ac evo had that low playercount when it was at its worst, and that was 0.1 pmr is 1.0 and fulled payed title. It should have launch as early access instead,

You paying full price for something thats simular to very early access. And with gt7 getting its biggest ever update, ac evo 0.4 just releasing its not going to be easy for pmr going forward.

 

[Beezer215]

And here I am. Used PMR for a majority of the night last night and had a great time. Imagine that. 😄
I'm sorry but GT7 just doesn't reach the level of physics that engage people who want a simulation experience. I'm not in the group of people who want something to be too easy for the sake of being too easy. PMR already creeps into game territory with tires in older car classes that grip like mad and magic brakes that stop you in no time. A good example is Group 5 cars.
Speaking of which.

Please tell me you're going to do the same on PMR. I'd love to hear your impressions as you compare the two

I used the Capri in PMR and then in AMS2 if that makes any difference? The AMS2 version is obviously going to benefit from the updates to the physics and Madness Engine even though it being a mod. The values however start out from what's available from PC2 and then added to so not a far stretch.

The first immediate thing you can notice is that the car is a lot easier to drive in PMR. The tires are more reminiscent of GT3 tires. (and if you look into the tires files, there's a lot of lines of code with "GT3" in it.) They don't really drive like they have the old late 70's radials. Not necessarily the worst thing, there's a lot of grip available though. The cars also brake like modern technology. That seems to be an issue with a lot of the cars in PMR though, magic braking on a dime.

The differences in the two Ford Capri Group 5. AMS2 has more bumpy track surfaces. The car shakes, vibrates and bounces on the track. Spring and damper adjustments are sometimes needed to go from a track like Sebring to Silverstone. In PMR, a lot of this is toned down. The tracks don't have as much deviated mesh that really throws a car around.
AMS2 has a nice vintage tire model. You're not going to get the front end bite that you get in PMR. The rears will also light up and spin a bit more frequently in AMS2. PMR has the cars more planted.
AMS2 does not brake like PMR. You have to start your braking earlier than what PMR will afford you.
PMR has a better sound. Unfortunately we can't add new sounds to the Madness Engine for mod cars so we have to make the best of what we have.
All in all, both cars were completely enjoyable. The one in PMR is fun, more accessible and still gives the feel of what a Group 5 car would be like. AMS2 might have it more in line with an original Group 5 car. You're going to have to have more throttle control, more corrective steering. That's part of the fun though. Nobody that drove Group 5 cars ever said they were easy.

One thing I noticed last night after driving the Sauber C9 and the Ford Capri Group 5, is that the cars don't really come up to their full potential until about 5 laps or so depending on the size of the track. I tried the C9 at Mid-Ohio because someone said that the car was undriveable. I noticed that it wasn't until about lap 6 in where I could finally start throwing the car around more haphazardly. The tires stuck more, the brakes braked more. Way more confidence. Same thing with the Group 5 Capri. I was already a full lap around Nords and the car was still gaining grip and confidence. It seems to me that the cars in PMR take a long time to reach their height in performance. Which is even longer than AMS2. That surprised me.
If you're only doing 3-5 laps in a car in PMR, I don't think you're even getting to the full potential of the car yet. I would try doing 20 minute or at least 10 lap races to make a better assessment of how PMR handles and feels.
My opinion anyways.

 

[FOG-Smokebeer]

I think we need a poll " do you think they will No Man's sky this game/mess " 🤒

 

[SpacedInvader]

And here I am. Used PMR for a majority of the night last night and had a great time. Imagine that. 😄
I'm sorry but GT7 just doesn't reach the level of physics that engage people who want a simulation experience. I'm not in the group of people who want something to be too easy for the sake of being too easy. PMR already creeps into game territory with tires in older car classes that grip like mad and magic brakes that stop you in no time. A good example is Group 5 cars.

Fine. But I was responding to a post about v low player numbers. There are v few players like you, and many many more like me.
That's all. If the devs want better sales they know what to do.

 

[zaxs]

Game needs a update ASAP.
An improvements and bug fixes in all directions...

 

[Tool1312]

Steam figures

 

[doblocruiser]

GT7 is polished, beautiful to look at and sounds good but lacks in every other department. PmR is rough, looks average , sounds fantastic and drives excellent. Races have been highly enjoyable...I'll take it 🤷

Tried GVC in GT7, just wow the level of quality and fluidity. It's a blockbuster game. However PMR is bMovie with a blockbuster price but I haven't regret m'y purchase. Funny part is that PMR brings me kind of back to my fond gaming memories in the late nineties. It just feels good 👌

 

[Beezer215]

I'm not even sure what people are trying to prove with Steam numbers. Help me out here.
On PC, we have AC, ACC, AC Evo, rF2, LMU, AMS, AMS2, PC2, RaceRoom, iRacing and BeamNG. Why the hell would everyone be spending their time on a game that hasn't even been out for two weeks that clearly could use some more updates to get it up to where it needs to be. However in it's current state is still completely usable and fun.
We've been through this already numerous times before. This is just how things go.

 

[McLaren]

Let's not forget GT7's first few months were met with a ton of debate on this very forum over game choices it made.

 

[Mr Grumpy]

Please tell me you're going to do the same on PMR. I'd love to hear your impressions as you compare the two

As it stands at the moment I'm just keeping an eye on this game, really hoping it gets the love over the 1st year or so.

As I said I'm currently looking into transitioning from Xbox/console to either a proper gaming pc/laptop or steam machine (if the price is right).

My main focus is buying AMS2 as someone who loves PC2 & has no issues with wheel or controller, just yesterday I was in an old lotus in a rain storm around classic Le-Mans with no hud & the immersion cannot be beaten, hence why AMS2 is the logical next step for me.

Regarding PMR, I own AMS1 with so many track/car mods & GTR1&2 plus a host of other classics that I can play on my current potato laptop & unfortunately I just don't see why I need this game at the moment, not saying I'll never buy it but I don't know when or for what platform.

 

[doblocruiser]

Since it is 'free weekend' on PS+ , I might run the Lister at Silverstone event this evening. Anyone else have given this a try?

 

[FrankieStail]

Fine. But I was responding to a post about v low player numbers. There are v few players like you, and many many more like me.
That's all. If the devs want better sales they know what to do.

Project cars 3 would suggest otherwise

 

[Rumenapp]

 

[Beezer215]

Funny. Yet another video of someone who didn't use any setup in the car and tire pressures well under optimal range, just clicking through the video of screens where you can see the tire HUD. Let me guess, he wasn't impressed but there could be potential here. Did I get it? Did I say what the guy in the video said? lol 🙄

 

[hawkeyez]

So yesterday evening I decided to do a race outside of my comfortzone....group 5 with the Capri at NB National...



What un utterly bonkers class 😂

Gear whine and waste gate seems overly loud don’t they? The exhaust note doesn’t seem throaty enough either.

 

[Pearl Jam]

To be honest, I’ve not played anywhere near what I thought I would once it was finally patched with some very nice and welcome fixes.
The driving is really enjoyable, it’s very stable and has a wonderful roster of cars but it just doesn’t excite me for some reason, having recently acquired a triple monitor set up it kinda irks me that it’s not possible in this sim, even with nvidia surround.
Which is why I’m spending practically all of my time in AC Rally, it is absolutely incredible for a EA title

 

[doblocruiser]

Gear whine and waste gate seems overly loud don’t they? The exhaust note doesn’t seem throaty enough either.

Indeed, would've been nice if it was mixed a bit better.


Any ideas on the set up to run for the Lister at Silverstone. I am at a low 2:03 and cannot seem to get past that. On top of it, the time doesn't save 🤷 but man, I did CGV with the AMG GT3 in GT7, switched back to PMR and their tire and physics model is way ahead of PD's. Or better said, it feels much like a race car in every sense ☺️

 

[kartman21]

Indeed, would've been nice if it was mixed a bit better.


Any ideas on the set up to run for the Lister at Silverstone. I am at a low 2:03 and cannot seem to get past that. On top of it, the time doesn't save 🤷 but man, I did CGV with the AMG GT3 in GT7, switched back to PMR and their tire and physics model is way ahead of PD's. Or better said, it feels much like a race car in every sense ☺️

True, did the same yesterday, GT7 feel flat in comparaison

Regarding the lister, try the downforce ? Did you put soft tires ?

 

[Staffy2]

I know the game is suppose to a serious sim but they need more players. Not allowing assists on ranked multiplayer isn’t helping player numbers especially on console. It’s console players they to attract. They are desperate for a decent new racing game. It needs to play well on a pad. Console players don’t want to spend hours in set up menus. I’m one of those console players just waiting to jump in. If they take note and make it pad friendly the players will come in big numbers.

 

[Jezza819]

It seems some tracks have higher AI strength than others. I've tried to run Daytona in four different classes, LMDh, Group C, GT1 and GT3 at level 78 and this GT3 race is the closest I've been. In all of the others I was beaten by more than 15 seconds. But use a different track like Sebring, Silverstone, or Nurburgring GP and I win by a mile.

That Corvette ran the entire 10 lap race on about 9 gallons of fuel, would that be right? I would have thought fuel burn would be much higher than that.

Also I had another game crash tonight that wants to turn the wheel hard left when it happens. Luckily I was holding on to it pretty tight when it happened so it didn't snap. I'm about ready to park this game until they can get this figured out because it's getting very annoying.

 

[Ande3200]

I know the game is suppose to a serious sim but they need more players. Not allowing assists on ranked multiplayer isn’t helping player numbers especially on console. It’s console players they to attract. They are desperate for a decent new racing game. It needs to play well on a pad. Console players don’t want to spend hours in set up menus. I’m one of those console players just waiting to jump in. If they take note and make it pad friendly the players will come in big numbers.

You are correct if you going to release s racing game on console you have to make it work for controller users.

Most people on console Will be on controllers.

I have both controller and wheel, but i always use controller more because it just easier to play and just enjoy that way.

 

[doblocruiser]

True, did the same yesterday, GT7 feel flat in comparaison

Regarding the lister, try the downforce ? Did you put soft tires ?

I ran soft tires and medium downforce (the one from the mod-hub). Will play around with it 👍✌️

 

[Alfa Romeo GT]

Wheel/sim people would be apoplectic I guess, but if the devs want sales they gotta ignore that and get it known as kinda the 'New GT Sport' to sit alongside GT7.

I very strongly suspect the devs are v much sim players themselves though, and MP-focused to boot, making a game for themselves. Maybe they don't care about sales if they have the game they want?

Assetto Corsa has sold over 28 million copies.
This is because it offered varied content, high-quality FFB, exceptional physics, and was moddable.
It's incredible for a small studio to achieve these figures.
PMR isn't played because it was released in a disastrous state, the optimization is terrible, and it excels at nothing.
Except for the music in the menu... but some of it comes from Project Cars.

The game doesn't offer anything special apart from a career mode that isn't anything special .

but if the devs want sales they gotta ignore that

The developers have ignored the respect they owe to us, their customers.


So I may seem ruthless, but the day it's finished (no, I don't believe it will be, and it will end up like Project Cars 2), I'll be the first to play it and speak highly of it.

Console players don’t want to spend hours in set up menus.

Oh, don't worry, PC gamers don't either.
Everything is a mess to set up, and it's been a long time since I've seen anything like it.
The FFB has more options than all the big PC sims put together.
And none of the options are explained, which is unbelievable.

The setup on some vehicles is terrible.

Some vehicles, notably the M3 E46, are unplayable because every downshift locks up the rear wheels and sends us into the guardrails.
(A good portion of the vehicles in its class, for that matter.)

The more I play it, the more I realize that a lot of things haven't been tested.

 

[Ande3200]

Assetto Corsa has sold over 28 million copies.
This is because it offered varied content, high-quality FFB, exceptional physics, and was moddable.
It's incredible for a small studio to achieve these figures.
PMR isn't played because it was released in a disastrous state, the optimization is terrible, and it excels at nothing.
Except for the music in the menu... but some of it comes from Project Cars.

The game doesn't offer anything special apart from a career mode that isn't anything special .



The developers have ignored the respect they owe to us, their customers.


So I may seem ruthless, but the day it's finished (no, I don't believe it will be, and it will end up like Project Cars 2), I'll be the first to play it and speak highly of it.


Oh, don't worry, PC gamers don't either.
Everything is a mess to set up, and it's been a long time since I've seen anything like it.
The FFB has more options than all the big PC sims put together.
And none of the options are explained, which is unbelievable.

The setup on some vehicles is terrible.

Some vehicles, notably the M3 E46, are unplayable because every downshift locks up the rear wheels and sends us into the guardrails.
(A good portion of the vehicles in its class, for that matter.)

The more I play it, the more I realize that a lot of things haven't been tested.

Fully agree pmr currently has 144 players on steam while ac evo has 4347 players, both are simulators, and ac evo even have less content, not really any career mode or many features. And we know ac evo Numbers will grow when its closer to release and have free roam. I think it could be bad for pmr when it hit consoles, and i think ac evo could even put pressure on gran turismo and forza horizon, pmr cant really do much against both those titles.