PS3 Rules & XBox 360 Sucks! (The Official PS3 - XBox360 Argument Thread)

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I wouldn't go as far as to say that Xbox will pull a Dreamcast, because Halo alone will keep the Xbox afloat. Barely though. ;)

Also, I believe that Killzone 2 was real time, it looked just like playing Killzone for PS2.

Is it true that Microsoft plans to release Halo 3 at the same time as the PS3 launch? If it is, is this just some desperate attempt by Microsoft to overshadow the PS3? :odd: I really don't think that's possible. It seems like Microsoft is willing to try anything to take down Sony, but I just don't see it happening.
 
Saleen Man
Is it true that Microsoft plans to release Halo 3 at the same time as the PS3 launch? If it is, is this just some desperate attempt by Microsoft to overshadow the PS3? :odd: I really don't think that's possible. It seems like Microsoft is willing to try anything to take down Sony, but I just don't see it happening.


Its not true, its just what Bill gates wants. Everything M$ does is a deperate attempt.
 
Even Microsoft at E3 announced the PS3 hardware is better, and I quote.

Microsoft Chairman
Sony's PS3 may have better hardware than our Xbox 360, but we shall have the better marketing.

Naw crap, when you plan on making the Xbox 360 work with computers, IPODS, and other crap.
 
Wow, did anyone see the GT5 trailer? I believe the XBOX Next or whatever is going to have serious competetion. Not to mention the PS3 will be multifunctional. Hopefully with the grill, I could really use one of those in my room. Release will probably be December 2006 and GT5 will probably be released Spring or Summer of 2007. I can't wait for Killzone 2 too.
 
It is really hard to tell which system is better from the pre-E3 conferences. To me, the PS3 presentation was about tech demonstration as well as unveiling the actual unit. With XBox 360, they already did the unveiling last week, so they didn't do as much of the tech-y stuff.

Plus, I believe that Microsoft's presentation of XBox 360 was geared towards entertainment where anyone can understand and relate to. What the XBox can entertain you. Games is just part of it. With PS3's presentation, because it started out with specifications, only Geeks would be able to put meanings into those numbers and "flip-flop" terms. Because of that, it is hard to pin point how those numbers can really entertain.

On paper, to me, the specs for PS3 seems a bit better than XBox 360. The connectivity alone of the PS3 trumps everything on the XBox 360. However, I believe that online gaming will be the key component that will either keep PS3 ahead of the pack, or conceed its lead to the XBox 360. Because the XBox Live was such a success in terms of online console gaming, Sony and PS3 must have something similar or better in order to keep its fan base. I think from now on, every game that can be played multi-player are expected to be online capable as well. That includes everything from shooters and RPGs, to racing and sports games.

Although my heart at the moment leans toward the PS3 because of my favourite returning franchises (GT5, MGS4, GTA-NextGen), both systems are just as impressive.
 
That grill is great, it'll be nice to cook kebobs without having to get up and leave the room to do it.

Bee
like i sed in another thread, one major factor between the consols will be the price of thm.... cheeper price = more sold, simple as tht....
I gotta disagree, Gamecube is much cheaper than current Xbox and PS2 and no one has it. In my mind Nintendo went a different route a long time ago. It seems like they decided to make consoles with 4 controller ports which is great when you have a group of friends over to play mario cart, golden eye, wrestling, etc. but for real gaming with one or two people MS and Sony slaughtered Nintendo like it was a corner store across from a Wal-Mart.
 
dbartucci
That grill is great, it'll be nice to cook kebobs without having to get up and leave the room to do it.


I gotta disagree, Gamecube is much cheaper than current Xbox and PS2 and no one has it. In my mind Nintendo went a different route a long time ago. It seems like they decided to make consoles with 4 controller ports which is great when you have a group of friends over to play mario cart, golden eye, wrestling, etc. but for real gaming with one or two people MS and Sony slaughtered Nintendo like it was a corner store across from a Wal-Mart.
Well I think that Nintendo is geared towards children now. With N64, Nintendo didn't have much competetion. Only Playstation and everyone had a Playstation by the time
N64 came out. 1994, I believe Playstation came out. Nintendo pretty much stopped trying with the release of PS2 and XBOX. I don't know anyone my age (17) that owns a Gamecube. It's a system for children in my opinion. Now with XBOX and Playstation, they would be in direct competetion with one another because they both share similiar features, both have about the same type of games and both are for a higher age group. Not to mention most of the game suck for Gamecube. I'm hoping with Revolution, they come back. I loved Nintendo, who didn't. I heard that you can download old Nintendo games, IE: Mario, Tetris, Contra, Duckhunt, etc. and play them on Revolution. 👍
 
STiGoFLyBy
Well I think that Nintendo is geared towards children now. With N64, Nintendo didn't have much competetion. Only Playstation and everyone had a Playstation by the time
N64 came out. 1994, I believe Playstation came out. Nintendo pretty much stopped trying with the release of PS2 and XBOX. I don't know anyone my age (17) that owns a Gamecube. It's a system for children in my opinion. Now with XBOX and Playstation, they would be in direct competetion with one another because they both share similiar features, both have about the same type of games and both are for a higher age group. Not to mention most of the game suck for Gamecube. I'm hoping with Revolution, they come back. I loved Nintendo, who didn't. I heard that you can download old Nintendo games, IE: Mario, Tetris, Contra, Duckhunt, etc. and play them on Revolution. 👍

I have to agree, I view Nintendo as a "child's" system. I have a friend who bought one, but only so he could play Resident Evil 4. Also, it's ridiculously cheap.

I am one person who didn't love Nintendo growing up. I had a Sega Genesis, and then I bought a Playstation. I do have to say though, those days of hours and hours of Perfect Dark at a friends house were quite fun. :dopey: But even with the N64, I viewed it as a system geared more towards younger gamers.

BTW - Perfect Dark Zero....is that for Xbox?
 
I think PS3 will run games more smoother since it has 2.15 teraflops for the Cell Chip which is a top 5 Supercomputer Chip.

Aswell the 2 512MB RSX's aka next step up from 6800 Ultra is mainly the main GPU for Unreal 3 engine since NVidia, are the main company working with Epic on the Unreal 3 engine.

And offer the support to Epic more then ATi plus with 2 RSX's in SLi format against Xbox 360's ATi card it will have more frames, pixel shaders and vertex shaders.

But remember who ever gets what console its the gamers that win out.

Plus Sony have been making consoles since 1993, so they know much more then Microsoft reason why they know what a gamer wants.
 
I'm still thinking that both consoles are more vaporware than anything else.

btw: this reminds me of nintendo v. sega console wars. If some kid had a nintendo, they'd wow and drool over the graphics and sounds, while if some kid had a sega, he'd point to how fast (I think it was running at 12 mhz) the genesis, and how it creams the competition.
 
I hate these arguments comparing different console's. Ok so the Xbox was more powerful than the PS2 & apparently the PS3 will be more powerfull than the Xbox 360 but who gives a s**t. The xbox may have been more powerful than the PS2 but the PS2 still outsold the Xbox & has in my opinion a better selection of games. Just because the PS3 is better than the XB360 spec wise doesn't mean that it will have the better games avaliable. Plus according to something i read earlier the Xbox 360 is currently only running at 1/3rd it true potential & they may inprove the specs more before its release.
 
I'm not picking on you, BUT...

stefmeister
Ok so the Xbox was more powerful than the PS2

Why does everyone say this?

The PS2's technological drawback was its video processing. The XBox had an nVidia card, the PS2 didn't. The PS2, despite its age, was still able to perform more flops than the XBox - and what are we all talking about now? The PS3 can perform twice as many flops as the XBox 360, so it's the better machine?
 
Why does everyone say this?

Because it's true? Doesn't make it a better machine or anything. As you said, the fact it has a dedicated GPU, more ram, and a HDD to cache stuff does suggest more power.
 
And yet the one defining factor used to judge PS3 vs XBox 360 was as true for the PS2 vs XBox...
 
Smack my Biatch up, but this "which one will be better" thing was over even before it has started.

Teraflops and Gigaz haz nothing to do with it, it is just two things: games & technical support.

And to sustain from blurbing here about the facts we all know, some things are pretty much clear. It has nothing to do with which console I love most - I love my Mom most. It also has nothing to do with question which next-gen console I'll buy, because I'll probably buy all three. It has to do with this question:

Which console will make me to start saving 10 000$ in next 12 months, so I can buy a console and 2 x HDi 42" plasma screens on a launch date, instead of a new car? Question answered, thank you ladies, we got a winner here.

And this has nothing to do with funboyism, it is just pure-fact common sense. Unfortunately, some parties was just not prepared enough for the Third Console War - CWIII (TM).
 
Not for nothin'...

I don't think that in practice, we'll see a huge difference in the graphics engines that the two systems will run for quite some time. They'll be more or less equal, more or less good.

What I think will tip the scales in the PS3's favor QUICKLY is the BD-Rom drive. Remember that we already have DVD-Roms in current-gen consoles, and the time to fill memory is 15 seconds on the XBox and 30 seconds on the PS2 (average). Unless Microsoft pulls something VERY funky out of its hat, it's going to take 30 seconds or more to fill memory on the XB360. The BD-Rom will be able to fill memory faster.

Also, consider that games will require 3-4X the amount of content as they do now-- average texture sizes will quadruple, plus there will be additional rendering phases. That means that a DVD-Rom will fill up even faster, which will make multi-ROM games an ordinary thing on the XBox, but a remote future on the PS3. The game I most recently shipped was literally bursting at the seams on the XBox, and we had to do some serious stuff to get it to actually fit.

Now, I could be wrong about all of this. After all, I don't have an XB360 or PS3 in my hands. However, I think that media convenience and the "future-proofing" of the PS3 in this regard will be a serious factor during this round of console wars. It's the factor that I'm going to be looking at the most, at least.
 
Saleen Man
Is it true that Microsoft plans to release Halo 3 at the same time as the PS3 launch? If it is, is this just some desperate attempt by Microsoft to overshadow the PS3? :odd: I really don't think that's possible. It seems like Microsoft is willing to try anything to take down Sony, but I just don't see it happening.

This appears to be true, if the following excerpt from Lev Grossman's interview of Bill Gates is accurate.
Verbatim - as found at the bottom of right-hand side of Page 49, Time Magazine - May 23, 2005 Issue:

' "Note to the hard-core faithful: the next version of Halo will not, repeat not, be ready in time for the launch of Xbox 360. It will be part of the all-important second wave next spring. "It's perfect," Gates says, radiant with bloodlust. "The day Sony launches [the new PlayStation], and they walk right into Halo 3." '
 
Personally, I'm going to try to nab one of the white ones. The PlayStation was grey, the PlayStation 2 was black... plus, I think it'll be a nice contrasting color with the rest of my equipment.

And one interesting thing I find is that the Xbox was released approximately one year after the PS2 and it's being replaced approximately one year before the PS3 arrives. So take heart, Xbox fans, I'm sure Microsoft will have a nice, new, shiny Xbox for you in a couple of years.

By the way, does anyone know why they called it the 360?? It's rather curious. I was kinda hoping they'd call it the XXbox... 360 makes it kind of sound like they made a complete circle and are now just going in the same direction they were before... o.o
 
Maven
Personally, I'm going to try to nab one of the white ones. The PlayStation was grey, the PlayStation 2 was black... plus, I think it'll be a nice contrasting color with the rest of my equipment.

And one interesting thing I find is that the Xbox was released approximately one year after the PS2 and it's being replaced approximately one year before the PS3 arrives. So take heart, Xbox fans, I'm sure Microsoft will have a nice, new, shiny Xbox for you in a couple of years.

By the way, does anyone know why they called it the 360?? It's rather curious. I was kinda hoping they'd call it the XXbox... 360 makes it kind of sound like they made a complete circle and are now just going in the same direction they were before... o.o

I'll be going for one of each.

They should have called it the xXxbox and got Vin Diesel to launch it. Into a ravine.
 
I find it quite funny that microsoft have to turn to 'dirty' tactics (i.e. launch halo 3 on PS3 day) just to try and salvage anything from the fact that they have a worse console......it just shows than even microsoft has no faith in its own console selling itself :lol:........halo 3 or not, if PS3 launches with games like killzone 2 there will be no problem with the sales of PS3 units!
 
Robin, what ever happened to trying before judging? By your logic, the PS2 is worse then the xbox just because it has less power. As I said before, lets see some finished games for BOTH machines first eh.

'dirty' tactics

It's called business.
 
Solid Lifters
The XBox ia a joke, man. It doesn't have the ability to keep up with the PS3. The 360 was made obsolete before it came out! Why should anyone buy it knowing the PS3 is far better?

You sound like a hardcore Sony fanboy. You are very very annoying.
 
I will get PS3 for Killzone2 (if its realtime, which I don't rampantly disbelieve..) and for GT5, Metal Gear, GTA et all.
I'll get Xbox360 for Halo3. I love Bungie, I loved them way back when they kicked id software's arse with 'Marathon' on mac. Not that any of you guys would know (Doom is the most overrated game evar! It deserves zero credit when Bungie clearly dominated at making a far superior FPS). Halo pretty much made me have to get Xbox, but I really hate the aesthetics of the system. Also, I would only use Xbox live if it were totally free. I can't be bothered with all the customising etc, I don't want to live my life through a game console. Its rubbish window dressing. I'll get Xbox360 only when Halo3 comes out, not before. Maybe if PDzero turns out to actually be good, and not too kiddy, I'll consider it. Joanna Dark character model infers they're going for the pre-pubescent teen boy market however. Its not a classy character design.

PS3 I will get whenever any of the games I mentioned above comes out for it. I hate the new 'baterang' controller though. It didn't need changing. Really ugly. However, girls will like the shape of the new controller coupled with the force feedback... You'll get more girl gamers for sure! LOL! Thats one way to make gaming more mainstream. Like that guy that made 'Rez' and the peripheral that came with it was kinda 'funny'.

Anyways, its impossible to say whether Sony will dominate MS's arse or not. Only one thing is clear - MS is in a business that they can't dominate as easily as every other business venture they go into. I predict MS will take a bit more of Sony's market share, but Sony will still be considered the market leaders, but it'll be close. Sony still has the games, and thats what matters.
 
I'm surprised that some people are actually getting heated by Solid Lifters' comments, you know he's just playing. :lol:

In the PS2 era, my favorite was 1)PS2 2)GameCube 3)Xbox I did buy the PS2(GT3 pretty much forced me to), got my GC for free(Gift Card), did not own Xbox.

This time around, the order hasn't changed. Only possiblity of change comes from the Nintendo's plan to sell downloadable oldschool NES - N64(maybe GC?) games. If they can make something incredible out of this(like make every single NES/Famicom to GameCube games available.... cheap!), it might tie or pass PS3. I'm not holding my breath, though. :)
 
Read what this MS guy had to say about Sony and the PS3. It's good for a laugh. :lol:

LOS ANGELES (CP) - The critics may have given Sony the edge in opening reviews of the next-generation consoles, but Microsoft says that's more about timing than anything else.

Microsoft unveiled its Xbox 360 machine on MTV last week, opting not to use its traditional meeting with the media ahead of the annual E3 trade show. In contrast, Sony kept its PS3 under wraps until its news conference Monday just ahead of Xbox's media gathering.

That meant Microsoft had little left to announce, while Sony turned heads when it rolled out mind-numbing details of the major technical muscle under the PS3 hood. Sony also scored points with some eye-popping samples from next-generation games like the sequel to the first-person shooter Killzone.

"It's a moment in time," Microsoft vice-president J Allard said of the early pro-PlayStation 3 reaction.

And he reminded reporters that the smash hit game Halo was "an unmitigated disaster" if it was judged in terms of its unveiling at the 2001 E3 news conference, an event plagued by technical problems. "We knew we had the right game plan and we just stayed focused on it," he said.

If Sony had an edge in the "who won the press conference" point of view this week, it was only because Xbox had already trumpeted the 360 to 80 million TV viewers so it had already made its news.

Judging what lies ahead on a pair of news conferences makes no sense, Allard added. And he said the response to the 360 had been overwhelmingly positive.

"It's actually been great. Again it's a moment of time. You're asking me about something that we haven't shipped, that people haven't had the hands-on time with the final product. But people love it."

And Allard, Xbox's guru, says he feels good about the 360 having seen what the PS3 has to offer.

"Absolutely. Absolutely. Even more comfortable," Allard told Canadian reporters at E3, before taking a stab at Sony. "I'm astounded by their lack of focus on software and services. They very very much are focused on hardware.

"And I'm fascinated honestly by all of the connection points. It take this, it takes that, it takes the other things. It's got all these USB things, it's got gigabit, ethernet. I just looked at it and said 'Boy. Every decision I was trying to make was make the product simpler.' And the complexity of that product is just off the charts.

"The other thing I was trying to do was make it cheaper. And they added a lot of cost. It's an interesting strategy, because this last generation they definitely had us both on cost and simplicity in their design."

Despite such surprise, Allard said Sony "did exactly what we thought they were going to do."

"In a way I guess it's good as a competitor, that they really haven't paid attention to the things that we've done so well in. The two things that I would say we've provided the most leadership in the industry is great developer support through great software and tools and great support in online and great leadership with (Xbox) Live. And they didn't respond to either of those.


:lol: :lol: :lol: Ah, man! These MS boys are a riot! :lol: :lol: :lol:

...laughs continue.

"Which is just really surprising to me that they spent so much time on the hardware specs. Because at the end of the day that's not what it's about. It's about all of those things in concert."

"It's also interesting that they didn't talk about the Walkman of the 21st century much," Allard added, referring to the handheld PSP which hardly rated a mention at the Sony event.

Both Sony and Microsoft boasted they have the most powerful console. Sony seems to have a clear edge in specs, but Allard says it's more about looking at the platform as a whole than comparing numbers.

"Part of it is the hardware, but the hardware is no good if you don't have the software to unlock it . . . And then you need the online service as well. It's those three things that are going to add up."

And he cautioned against making instant evaluations on graphics shown at one news conference.

"The broader point is it's not about visual fidelity. It can't be because we're reaching the point now where the bottleneck is not the hardware. Xbox is capable of creating better-looking games. Publishers aren't funding the art required to create better-looking games."

Allard also clarified reports on the 360 backward compatibility. The 360 will be backward compatible but only for certain top titles. Allard said the software could be changed later to embrace other older titles.
 

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