PS3 Save Games Hacked

[Akira GT]

always remember why sony release firmware updates, to add security features (make current jailbreaks useless) just a new update and problem solved jailbroken ps3's will be bricked just like they were before

 

[Coxis]

I'd love to transfer my 92% complete, 360 car game save from my main account to my GTP account, that's for sure. I would not abuse the saves nor create hybrid cars, though.

 

[cuco33]

If you hack a game save, does the trophy system still reward you? Would stink if it did. I don't mind having access to game saves like GT5P did but I also don't mind earning your cars. I just wished the used car dealership was made better. Too many times have I seen the same car come up, with same color, while other cars rarely (if ever) show up.

 

[Dodswm]

If you hack a game save, does the trophy system still reward you? Would stink if it did. I don't mind having access to game saves like GT5P did but I also don't mind earning your cars. I just wished the used car dealership was made better. Too many times have I seen the same car come up, with same color, while other cars rarely (if ever) show up.

Yeah, you get all the trophies too

 

[machschnel]

Isn't buying a game a bit strange if someone doesn't actually want to play a game?

B-Spec?

 

[Nigma]

Well, I'm out working for ten and a half hours every day and I've been out for more than 60 hours per week for nothing but work more than once. Thing is, in GT, you don't have to invest a few hours in a single go to advance (like you would have to in MMOs, for example), well, aside from endurance races in A-Spec. Hence, I'm good because I can advance one step at a time.
As it is, everyone can get everything eventually, it's just that people want everything and they want it now.

While I'm opposed to the grinding of XP, as it limits the available events even more, I kinda find pretty natural that a game doesn't offer everything at once right from the get go. Granted, the limitations should come from earnign credits (which should be a little bit faster), but I digress.

Either way, to get back to the point why I am saying that the game isn't for those people. If you read my post again, you will notice that I was on about people who don't want to play a game, as they were named as people who'll enjoy the game more with the hack.
And that's where I'm coming from. If someone doesn't want to play a game, why on earth would he buy one?

I see, yea I might have took that a little too much to heart. I'm a-spec lvl29 with b-spec at 0 because I like to play the game I used b-spec a lot in GT4 only because of the FF option, but without that I might as well do all the driving. I guess the best way to fix the problem is to fix the amount of prize money for a/b-spec and/or keep adding this seasonal races. As a matter of fact, can they just update the whole a-spec mode with more races? If not, any idea why?

 

[Arcturus]

always remember why sony release firmware updates, to add security features (make current jailbreaks useless) just a new update and problem solved jailbroken ps3's will be bricked just like they were before

I think you need to read up on the exact nature of this hack. This isn't something that Sony can just patch. The system, at its very foundation, has been completely compromised.

 

[klam00]

Personally I don't care if people use this hack for personal use and I can see the comparison to duping there but if and when people use this to gain an advantage in online races that is when the comparison ends and I that is why people who support duping do not support this.

so you're saying that duping offers no advantages online? What about people racing with unlimited cars and funds? (that they never earned, and maybe would never have).

duping and hacking are both cheating, in my opinion.

 

[CaptainFederal]

so you're saying that duping offers no advantages online? What about people racing with unlimited cars and funds? (that they never earned, and maybe would never have).

duping and hacking are both cheating, in my opinion.

I have been giving this point a lot of thought. And I agree hacking is cheating.... and well I feel duping is in a grey area. For example, I skill-less driver can spending millions on a car in-game and still not be able to beat a driver with less credits invested in their car. The driver they cannot beat is because they're taking someone on of higher skill. This happens all the time in real life in some automotive sports because "factory backed" doesn't mean an instant win , nor does spending millions of dollars. Look at Bill Caswell he was quite successful in some merits but lacked the millions of dollars invested in his car.


Additionally, if you can spend the money buying all the greatest parts and still not know how to use them. Then that's just a waste on your part. For example, two online drivers with fully maxed out Enzo Ferrari. Driver 1 has no clue how to tune the car to handle any better. Where Driver 2 knows what spring rates work for each track. Now I know you can simply go online and download a tuning setup ;however, that doesn't mean you know how to handle it.

A third point I would like to point out is that the regulations on races. I believe it is these regulations that prevent it from being an advantage to exploit credits. So the exploiters can afford a 1400hp+ X2010? While, the race requires a 150 hp front engine + front wheel drive car..... No matter how many credits they have you can't change the race settings (unless you're the host.)

Gran Turismo 5 is a racing simulator. Meaning that you can cheat,dupe, or whatever to get credits all you want. But you will only be as good as the time you put into it to learn how to drive the cars. Practice will always trump credits in game.

I'm not arguing for hacked saves or those kinds of exploits. I feel they are wrong. Manipulation of the game's physical or more importantly "cheating" the physics to give an increased advantage (i.e 500 hp Civic weighing in at about 100kg) is a problem. I am worried by that because I don't want to get online and face someone in a 1000hp Skyline that is as heavy as an FGT. I put time into GT3 to actually build hybrids and they were fun. But I feel that as great as they may be. In GT5 hacked saves are simply a "Horseman of the Apocalypse." They'll allow users to bypass the system in a way unlike duping; leading to a systematic destruction of that which many of us love. I admit I could just be a bit daft, but I fully believe they're undesirable and should be stopped dead. I can live with duping , but I can't live with modding.

 

[NFSCARBON1]

If cars do become hacked and we end up with cars with the power of an X2010 and the weight of a Go-Kart what would happen if these cars were traded online? Would it mess up a non hacked game?

 

[xilla001]

always remember why sony release firmware updates, to add security features (make current jailbreaks useless) just a new update and problem solved jailbroken ps3's will be bricked just like they were before

As said this cannot bu solved with new firmware easily also jailbreaked PS3s weren't bricked by update, they were only updated, and you cannot used the jailbreak (as it was on 3.55). Also sony cannot force you to update firmware, you can choose to not update. Then you can make hybrid on hacked PS3, copy it on unhacked PS3 and everything looks "fine".

 

[Luminis]

I see, yea I might have took that a little too much to heart. I'm a-spec lvl29 with b-spec at 0 because I like to play the game I used b-spec a lot in GT4 only because of the FF option, but without that I might as well do all the driving. I guess the best way to fix the problem is to fix the amount of prize money for a/b-spec and/or keep adding this seasonal races. As a matter of fact, can they just update the whole a-spec mode with more races? If not, any idea why?

Well, I don't know whether they could update A-Spec with more events, but they can regulate the amount of prizes and add new stuff outside of A-Spec.

Alls I need is an event creator that pays an amount depending on how close the caes are to each other, multiplied by the duration of the race. Ten laps around the 'Ring in an underpowered car = $$$$$$$$$

As said this cannot bu solved with new firmware easily also jailbreaked PS3s weren't bricked by update, they were only updated, and you cannot used the jailbreak (as it was on 3.55). Also sony cannot force you to update firmware, you can choose to not update. Then you can make hybrid on hacked PS3, copy it on unhacked PS3 and everything looks "fine".

This is assuming a lot of stuff we don't even know yet. For this to be true, it would require GT5 to save a car with all variables in the car's data. If it just went with an index system of which upgrades are installed, you'd either have to alter the index or the data base.
This could result in virtaully adding one upgrade multiple times or to change the database for the upgrade to have a bigger effect. Changing the database seems highly unlikely, I think...

And even then, the results could be very different. For all we know, the car data could look like this:

Nissan Silvia S15
Weight reduction St.1 installed [x]
Weight reduction St.1 installed [ ]
Weight reduction St.1 installed [ ]
Oil Change [x]
Distance since last oil change [XXXXX miles]

With everything in brackets being variables and, thus, affected by hacking.

It might be fairly likely that the game just saves the cars like this and gets the resulting data from the disc. It might be that way. I'm not saying it is or even that that's the most likely situation.

But we shouldn't be freaking out about X2010s in disguise when it might be completely for nothing.
As it stands, my biggest worry would be influencing the variables in the PS3's RAM. Making a car 'immune' to other cars, so that it's not going to be affected when making contact with other cars or whatever.

Either way, all of that would require some major work. For the time being, a 100% gamesave spreading everywhere is the biggest 'issue', I guess.

 

[7HO]

so you're saying that duping offers no advantages online? What about people racing with unlimited cars and funds? (that they never earned, and maybe would never have).

duping and hacking are both cheating, in my opinion.

We are not allowed to discuss duping in this thread but there is a duping thread we can have this conversation in.

 

[cuco33]

Yeah, you get all the trophies too

Is that confirmed? Sucks btw

 

[Ubiquitous]

Well, I don't know whether they could update A-Spec with more events, but they can regulate the amount of prizes and add new stuff outside of A-Spec.

Alls I need is an event creator that pays an amount depending on how close the caes are to each other, multiplied by the duration of the race. Ten laps around the 'Ring in an underpowered car = $$$$$$$$$


This is assuming a lot of stuff we don't even know yet. For this to be true, it would require GT5 to save a car with all variables in the car's data. If it just went with an index system of which upgrades are installed, you'd either have to alter the index or the data base.
This could result in virtaully adding one upgrade multiple times or to change the database for the upgrade to have a bigger effect. Changing the database seems highly unlikely, I think...

And even then, the results could be very different. For all we know, the car data could look like this:

Nissan Silvia S15
Weight reduction St.1 installed [x]
Weight reduction St.1 installed [ ]
Weight reduction St.1 installed [ ]
Oil Change [x]
Distance since last oil change [XXXXX miles]

With everything in brackets being variables and, thus, affected by hacking.

It might be fairly likely that the game just saves the cars like this and gets the resulting data from the disc. It might be that way. I'm not saying it is or even that that's the most likely situation.

But we shouldn't be freaking out about X2010s in disguise when it might be completely for nothing.
As it stands, my biggest worry would be influencing the variables in the PS3's RAM. Making a car 'immune' to other cars, so that it's not going to be affected when making contact with other cars or whatever.

Either way, all of that would require some major work. For the time being, a 100% gamesave spreading everywhere is the biggest 'issue', I guess.

Once you have full access to a system, you can manipulate the memory.

The PS3 hasn't just been cracked at a software level, it's been compromised at a hardware level (for those who keep saying Sony can patch it).

The PS3 is now an open format, Sony cannot change this. The ship has sailed, there is no going back.

The best thing that Sony can do from their perspective is patch the console asap with a patch that blacklists everything other than existing pieces of software. They cannot change the way existing software uses the keys, but they don't really want to allow others to be able to do what they want, so the only solution is a white list.

However, white listing everything that's ever been released for the PS3 is no small undertaking and may result in many things being disabled if Sony overlook them. It is also not a complete solution and would only improve the situation slightly, the hardware level keys are still out in the wild and they cannot be changed without an update to the hardware itself.

The other solution may be another 'Slim' PS3 hardware revision, which can have the necessary changes built in and then Sony can cut their losses on the remainder.

Either way, this very much affects GT5 and can certainly affect online play. The battle against cheaters has waged for many years on the PC. Until now, no PS3 game ever had to consider the possibility of code injection or any other software level hacks. So it's unlikely they will have any anti cheat protection and they are unlikely to have been coded in a way that even considered the need for anti cheat - such was the security level of the platform.

I am concerned for what may happen to GT5 online once the smoke clears and people really start getting to grips with coding software for the PS3 now it's an open piece of hardware.

 

[7HO]

I don't know enough about the way the PS3 functions so please excuse me if there is some simple explanation as to why this will not work but couldn't PD avoid any hybrids or online cheating by releasing a patch right now that encrypts the save data (differently if this is already done) and only allows encrypted data online.

If this was possible and the encryption was changed periodically wouldn't the effort to cheat become too much. People could still use the hack for personal use but they would need a second PS3 with the latest update to go online.

The only other method I can think of is online saves combined with some kind of integrity check for any offline save that is sync'd online.

 

[Dodswm]

Is that confirmed? Sucks btw

Yeah, confirmed

I don't know enough about the way the PS3 functions so please excuse me if there is some simple explanation as to why this will not work but couldn't PD avoid any hybrids or online cheating by releasing a patch right now that encrypts the save data (differently if this is already done) and only allows encrypted data online.

If this was possible and the encryption was changed periodically wouldn't the effort to cheat become too much. People could still use the hack for personal use but they would need a second PS3 with the latest update to go online.

The only other method I can think of is online saves combined with some kind of integrity check for any offline save that is sync'd online.

Save games are encrypted already, but now they can be decrypted (which is why this hack is out). They'd never rely on a system that HAS to go online to access a save. Not on the PS3 anyway.

 

[Mr Laocean]

Scenario:

Jailbreak PS3, Download 100% save, get bored after a week because I have every car in every colour, no sense of achievement.

End of week PS3 dies because I let some nerd install his own dodgy firmware-software-jailbreak-hack-o-tronic.

GT is a long haul game... if you want instant cars etc go play NFS or Grid bla bla.

Rant over.

Thing is, I got bored of GT5 within a week and I played it the legit way. Lulz.

 

[Ubiquitous]

http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/digitalfoundry-in-theory-psn-jailbreaking

Don't think it's been linked here thus far, should shed some more light on what exactly Sony can do about this and what may happen.

 

[niky]

Nemis: I said: NO DISCUSSION ON HOW TO DO THIS. This is against AUP.

Also: When posting links to articles, make sure the links are "clean". I checked yours, Ubiquitous... its fine.

From the little that I know, it means paring a car in GT with another car's stats, so that you could simulate engine swaps and the according tuning options.
I could be wrong, though.

Even worse, I think. I never got into the hybrid scene, but you could technically have 0 weight, 1000+++ hp cars with any drivetrain, any tire type (and size) and any car model you wanted.

Nissan Silvia S15
Weight reduction St.1 installed [x]
Weight reduction St.1 installed [ ]
Weight reduction St.1 installed [ ]
Oil Change [x]
Distance since last oil change [XXXXX miles]

Already talked about this, but not in such precise terms. I think the big question is whether the contents of the checkboxes are simply binary (yes, no) or are modifiable in some other way.

What would be scary is if the "Distance since last oil change" number can be glitched somehow... if you express the distance as a negative number, could you possibly raise the power beyond the theoretical maximum? Still wouldn't hurt power restricted servers.

Maybe we are being a bit alarmist about things... but those of us who've played PC games where character hacking is possible, and who've seen GT hybrids have an idea of the worst that could possibly happen.

 

[SlipZtrEm]

I never got into the hybriding in GT4 (was cracked after my initial interest died down, well after a year and a half in). However, in GT3, it basically boiled down to being able to install any tuneable part from one car onto another. In GT1, for example, the Supra RZ had the best intercooler (it gave you the biggest percentage gain compared to any other car's), so a hybrider could install that on a different car to get a bump in power.

In GT3, we had a program that gave you an Excel-like view of your garage, and you could point and click other parts, like the engine, drivetrain, chassis (which corresponded with the wheelbase and weight), and tires (effectively giving you tire size options).

There was also a "power multiplier", meaning you could effectively have more power than a space shuttle. You could also give weight reductions to cars that couldn't have it (though, at least in GT3, you were still governed by initial weights and the percentages afforded by Weight Reductions, you couldn't just pick an arbitrary number).

This didn't cause any issues with the OLR of the day though, since the same program could also read replay data, and instantly spit out all the stats of a car, including the settings. So if someone cheated, we knew. I wouldn't be opposed to the return of hybrids, only if we had some similar way of governing them (which is unlikely).

This concludes GT-Series Hybrid History 101

 

[Jebon]

Ability to copy 100% GT5 save file to your own account is only good who buy GT5 just to trade cars.

For GT fans & true gamers, complete the game by ourselves is more satisfying.

 

[fdjizm]

So someone tell me again how in the world this affects anyone playing the game at home? Do you think I care how many cars joe over in nebraska has or how he got them? or if he has all the trophies? all the whining when this DOES NOT AFFECT you physically enjoying the game, now if you are bothered mentally by something that won't affect you that is a whole different issue. lol

 

[CivicInLake]

Scenario:

Jailbreak PS3, Download 100% save, get bored after a week because I have every car in every colour, no sense of achievement.

End of week PS3 dies because I let some nerd install his own dodgy firmware-software-jailbreak-hack-o-tronic.

GT is a long haul game... if you want instant cars etc go play NFS or Grid bla bla.

Rant over.

LOL custom firmware doesnt kill the ps3.

 

[MidianGTX]

So someone tell me again how in the world this affects anyone playing the game at home? Do you think I care how many cars joe over in nebraska has or how he got them? or if he has all the trophies? all the whining when this DOES NOT AFFECT you physically enjoying the game, now if you are bothered mentally by something that won't affect you that is a whole different issue. lol

I think the main worry is about people using these hybrid cars online. In which case everything you just said is sorta void.

LOL custom firmware doesnt kill the ps3.

Might do if you have to flash the BIOS to use it, I've not read up on the method.

 

[Drift260Z]

I dunno about everyone else, but I race online only with friends. so, all this rabble rousing over hacking and duping is a moot point since I know the people I race against. also, it's a damn video game, so I don't take it that seriously.

 

[Nemis]

Nemis: I said: NO DISCUSSION ON HOW TO DO THIS. This is against AUP.

Sorry my very bad english.
i don't want to write about hacking gamefile (and today is not possible to hack the data...) but only how to backup MY play (with no BBday trick ) and let my friend to play on MY ps3 with my other account (out of PSN) so they don't touch my, car, my cr, don't take trophy, and don't save time in arcade mode.

se hard way is bakup game, let my friends play, restore game. but if they win a trophy, or take a good time on arcade it is forever save in my stat.

short and safe way to untouch the play, was in deleted post.

bye

 

[steve30x]

Thing is, I got bored of GT5 within a week and I played it the legit way. Lulz.

I got bored of GT5 when I finished he last endurance race before the 9 hour endurance. It took me six eeks to get that far.

 

[Devedander]

I dunno about everyone else, but I race online only with friends. so, all this rabble rousing over hacking and duping is a moot point since I know the people I race against. also, it's a damn video game, so I don't take it that seriously.

I don't get why everyones worried about getting robbed or hit by cars... I never leave my house and never talk to anyone I haven't known my whole life so neither of these things could ever happen to me... I think this means everyone else is a nutjob that worries about stupid thing.

 

[niky]

Sorry my very bad english.
i don't want to write about hacking gamefile (and today is not possible to hack the data...) but only how to backup MY play (with no BBday trick ) and let my friend to play on MY ps3 with my other account (out of PSN) so they don't touch my, car, my cr, don't take trophy, and don't save time in arcade mode.

se hard way is bakup game, let my friends play, restore game. but if they win a trophy, or take a good time on arcade it is forever save in my stat.

short and safe way to untouch the play, was in deleted post.

bye

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