PS3 Save Games Hacked
- Thread starter Dodswm
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- Duisburg
Yes, but I guess that that's a lot harder to do than simply manipulating a car's data in a decrypted savegame. But I'm not very experienced with that kind of stuff, si I wouldn't know for sure
Now that does indeed sound worrisome
May I ask in which way they were served? I'm just gleeful about that kind of people getting what they deserve, can't help it
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- Dodswm
What happened to jailbreaking not being illegal
Its not! Under certain jurisdictions anyway... Although doing what Geohot did (publishing the PS3s master key) will always get the attention of Sony.
I can't see there actually being any prosecution, but the language they use in the legal documents sounds like scaremongering.. Violating terms of the PSN agreement seems to be what they keep pointing at, but who's to say they even used their PS3s online!? Seem frivolous to me...
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- MrTimmyA
The better question is, when did a EULA become written law?
Oh wait, it didn't.
Oh wait, it didn't.
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- Dodswm
Exactly... Plus the DMCA means nothing outside of the USA.
It's a contract, hence bit can be deemed unfair or fair.
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- icleolion / GTP_icleolion
so they feel this hack is going to cost them money, so they go and waste more money trying to get money out of people who probably don't have anywhere near the amount of money Sony will be wanting... It's always about money, won't someone please think of the users (who are still waiting for cross game chat!!! )
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- Dodswm
I just use skype on my PC/Phone to chat with my mates whilst playing.... this is something i've been waiting for years for, on my PS3.It's always about money, won't someone please think of the users (who are still waiting for cross game chat!!!
I found this quite amusing though, from the lawsuit:
Looks like Egohot's ego got the better of him
- 9,295
- Duisburg
Nothing like a big bill to scare the hell out of some hackers
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- PrinceAsh
yeah, making copys of save game files, and hacking GT5 is just STUPID!!! the whole reason i bought the game was to enjoy every bit of it and cause its the only car game series that has ever gotten me to stick with it for more then a few weeks 
i love this game so dam much!! its the only one im playing atm i put all other games on the back burner
i love this game so dam much!! its the only one im playing atm i put all other games on the back burner 
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- South Africa
Shouldnt this thread be locked? Stupid pirates, get a life. Seriously lame to cheat.
"Meanwhile, a significant amount of speculation rages about whether Sony will engage in mass bans of PS3 pirates as Microsoft has done extensively.
Its actions to date seem to demonstrate it has a formidable ability to monitor user activity (if they sign into PSN) and can remotely ban and “brick” consoles at will, but that it is as yet very reluctant to do so.
Although its reaction so far has only been to block PSN access to active pirates and rely instead on security patches, with the ruin of its underlying security architecture there is potential for all kinds of new cracks – Sony may soon feel mass bans are the lesser evil, particularly if confronted with hordes of pirates stealing DLC and cheating in multiplayer, the inevitable result of the kindly hackers’ efforts.
The PS3′s ability to spy on user activity is already formidable – the most sophisticated example of this being the ability of the PS3 to snoop on the videos a user plays on the device to discover if they come from an unauthorised source using secretly embedded watermarks, and refuse to play them if so.
The technology is even effective on camera recordings of the protected works – if Sony bothers with anything near this level of sophistication in detecting pirates, it may be in a position to ban vast numbers of users should they unwisely take their console online."
Copy and paste from web news sources.
Its actions to date seem to demonstrate it has a formidable ability to monitor user activity (if they sign into PSN) and can remotely ban and “brick” consoles at will, but that it is as yet very reluctant to do so.
Although its reaction so far has only been to block PSN access to active pirates and rely instead on security patches, with the ruin of its underlying security architecture there is potential for all kinds of new cracks – Sony may soon feel mass bans are the lesser evil, particularly if confronted with hordes of pirates stealing DLC and cheating in multiplayer, the inevitable result of the kindly hackers’ efforts.
The PS3′s ability to spy on user activity is already formidable – the most sophisticated example of this being the ability of the PS3 to snoop on the videos a user plays on the device to discover if they come from an unauthorised source using secretly embedded watermarks, and refuse to play them if so.
The technology is even effective on camera recordings of the protected works – if Sony bothers with anything near this level of sophistication in detecting pirates, it may be in a position to ban vast numbers of users should they unwisely take their console online."
Copy and paste from web news sources.
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Not to shoot the messenger, but anyone who seriously believes that Sony has the ability to remote brick consoles is crazy. Could they do it? Probably. The hundreds of millions of dollars they would lose when they were immediately sued probably wouldn't be worth the trouble, though.
- 8,725
It's entirely possible (and probably preventable), but, as you say, it's a risk. That might be why they haven't done it yet.
As far as I know, George Hotz didn't actually (explicitly) publish any keys, only a certain security vulnerability - which then led to the keys being obtained and subsequently published. EDIT: other sources claim this to be the other way around
It's funny that "hackers" are being targeted as a group, on the basis that they knowingly collaborated (as opposed to simply "borrowing" each others' work) towards the same ends, as outlined in the charges.
Also amusingly:
Sony had better just suck it up and concede that they failed themselves, by not really securing the platform at all.
EDIT: I read an analogy along the lines of "leaving your door open doesn't entitle someone to rob you." Sure, but don't expect the insurance to pay up...
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- Dodswm
Geohot did publish the keys - it was the failoverfl0w team that published the vulnerability. They've been served too...
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I thought this was the most ironic part... they got in touch alright.
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- Dodswm
Yeah, I shouldn't imagine anything will really come of the lawsuit... Its a big blow for Sony though, so they'll fight it anyway they can.
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- alexlmx6 & GTP_AlexL
- alexlmx6
A lawsuit like this one is moren likely a deterrant to future hackers rather than any kind of financial gain for Sony.
Sony probably knows it's a lost cause too, but I mean you still report a car stolen even though it's probably already in a container heading for China, they aren't just going to sit on their hands and do nothing.
Sony probably knows it's a lost cause too, but I mean you still report a car stolen even though it's probably already in a container heading for China, they aren't just going to sit on their hands and do nothing.
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- MidianGTX
I hope the hackers totally get it up the ***. Not because I disagree with what they've done, more because the mindset of these guys is always so damn egotistical it's annoying. They like to pretend they're invulnerable and to see them shut up and get slapped in the face would humour me greatly.
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- icleolion / GTP_icleolion
You are all missing the point. Sony is not looking for money. They will take these hackes through very expensive legal hearings. This is to set example not to **** with us and our products. U have to admit what sony did up to this point was being nice. XBOX life bans people daily and sometimes real time. Just look at all the cases where players got baned in game for cheating and what not.
Imagine you join a room and say hey i duped my Enzo looking to trade and 2 min later u are baned from PSN because gm was in the game.
Be happy Sony did not take serious action.
PS. when it comes to multinational corporations vs hackrs and pirates. Corporations win...look at piratebay and the guy who created dvd burning software for linux back in day. They will bend all laws and rules and nail you.
Imagine you join a room and say hey i duped my Enzo looking to trade and 2 min later u are baned from PSN because gm was in the game.
Be happy Sony did not take serious action.
PS. when it comes to multinational corporations vs hackrs and pirates. Corporations win...look at piratebay and the guy who created dvd burning software for linux back in day. They will bend all laws and rules and nail you.
Yaycandy69
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- Way to many accounts.
- Sending Account: Yaycandy69
Prepare for an influx of hacked save games with 100s of cars...!
For those with a jailbroken PS3, its now relatively easy to decrypt and re-assign save games for your own PS3 account.
I won't link to how to do it, but i've tried and successfully transferred my existing save onto another account.
Thats how my system is. I got infinite cars and every car on gt5. Right from beginning. Hacked save
