PS3 Save Games Hacked

[porschedrifter]

"Though the current firmware version for the PS3 is 3.50, this device will only be compatible with v3.41, as stated on the product’s website."

So those people aren't getting online anyway.

And Geohot or the other group is not getting sued, if you read the full document it says as long as they abandon any other work to do with the PS3 they will be no legal/monetary fines.

 

[Tornado]

Yeah sure go ahead and sue its u vs bigger better legal team with unlimited $.

This makes no difference. One whiff of this action heard by probably nearly any EU judge and Sony would instantly lose (because, as NLxAROSA mentioned above, EULAs aren't worth the few kilobytes of space they take up in software in many EU nations, which is completely ignoring the implication that they have any weight at all for hardware). It probably wouldn't go over much better in an American court, either, considering jailbreaking is explicitly not illegal for the purposes that the custom firmware for the PS3 was said to be designed for.

3. They say you jailbroke it by messing around with it, and in the end you are the one who broke it.

The problem being that that is factually incorrect. If the system was jailbroken (which isn't illegal in America, and almost certianly isn't in most EU countries), it was still working. If Sony flipped a kill switch that forcibly shut down jailbroken PS3s, they not only wouldn't have a leg to stand on to say their action was justified, but they also wouldn't be able to claim that it was the user's actions that broke the PS3. The only time they could claim that is if you legitimately broke your PS3/PSP while attempting to jailbreak it, and then Sony could tell you to live with it rather than being required to fix it if it was under warranty.

3. Sony will then counter sue your butt, and you move in to refrigirator box.

Sony would have no basis for a countersuit. You can't countersue simply on the basis that you were sued.

 

[a100miles2go]

"Though the current firmware version for the PS3 is 3.50, this device will only be compatible with v3.41, as stated on the product’s website."

So those people aren't getting online anyway.

And Geohot or the other group is not getting sued, if you read the full document it says as long as they abandon any other work to do with the PS3 they will be no legal/monetary fines.

That article was old, now that the ps3 keys are out in the wild i guess they could make a cheat device for any firmware if they wanted to.

 

[blaaah]

It doesn't matter if you were simply discussing an innocent use for it...

The discussion of how to use illicit code or software keys, and links to sites that provide them are prohibited on GTPlanet.

Any reference to any site that provides the software key is not allowed.

You may say: "I have used this and I have used it to back-up my game." But that is all.

The jailbreak, code and software keys are not illicit or illegal, they are lawful as proven by the test case in America which gives the public the right to jailbreak.
Or is there another interpretation to this?

 

[rampageturke]

The jailbreak, code and software keys are not illicit or illegal, they are lawful as proven by the test case in America which gives the public the right to jailbreak.
Or is there another interpretation to this?

Side effect: Piracy

 

[blaaah]

Side effect: Piracy

A side effect is irrelevant.
The act is not illicit.

 

[Destinkeys]

A side effect is irrelevant.
The act is not illicit.

The most short sided post I've read so far. Piracy is EVERYTHING. For anyone who has followed how piracy has decimated the music industry, for everyone that is watching how piracy is going to do the same to the movie industry, and for anyone with a lick of sense that can extrapolate to the game industry, piracy is the ONLY issue.

So it cost $60M to develop GT5? What chance is there that PD will make GT6 if they know that they will make half or less on it than GT5?

The music industry has lost well over 60% of its entire gross to piracy. End result is crappy music recorded on shoestring budgets. Next will come movies. And then games.

Shortsighted refusal to admit any consequences to your actions. Welcome to the Toys'R'Us generation.

 

[SideShow Bob]

The sky is falling!!

 

[blaaah]

The most short sided post I've read so far. Piracy is EVERYTHING. For anyone who has followed how piracy has decimated the music industry, for everyone that is watching how piracy is going to do the same to the movie industry, and for anyone with a lick of sense that can extrapolate to the game industry, piracy is the ONLY issue.

So it cost $60M to develop GT5? What chance is there that PD will make GT6 if they know that they will make half or less on it than GT5?

The music industry has lost well over 60% of its entire gross to piracy. End result is crappy music recorded on shoestring budgets. Next will come movies. And then games.

Shortsighted refusal to admit any consequences to your actions. Welcome to the Toys'R'Us generation.

You seem to think i am supporting piracy, my issue is with the facts of the matter, not philosophising on further links to the chain. The fact is as i mentioned jail-breaking is not illicit, and an association to piracy or the drugs trade or child trafficking or murder is irrelevant to the fact.
I think the AUP needs to be revised (if that's what this site wants) to change the rule that "links or references or 'how to guides' to things which in GTPlanets opinion are not suitable content for our site." That type of thing.
Jail-breaking guides and processes and keys are not covered under illicit or illegal content.

That is as it stands, but the law may change if Sony get their way.
That's how i see the facts anyway, I could be wrong as I'm not an expert. But i did read about the court case in America regarding jail-breaking.

 

[NFSCARBON1]

You seem to think i am supporting piracy, my issue is with the facts of the matter, not philosophising on further links to the chain. The fact is as i mentioned jail-breaking is not illicit and a link to piracy or the drugs trade or child trafficking or murder is irrelevant to the fact.
I think the AUP needs to be revised (if that's what this site wants) to change the rule that links or references or 'how to guides' to things which in GTPlanets opinion are not suitable content for our site." That type of thing.
Jail-breaking guides and processes and keys are not covered under illicit or illegal content.

That is as it stands, but the law may change if Sony get their way.

I agree that it isn't technically illegal, but gtplanet has a good relationship with Sony and they wouldn't want to comprimise that. If you really want to do it there's plenty of search engines to use, gtplanet needn't be brought into any murky dealings that may occur later on.

 

[Saidur_Ali]

The PS3 being hacked is quite a good thing in away as it happened so late in its lifetime. The best thing about that is next-generation the PS4 will be very secure. The Xbox 360 was also very secure, even more than the PS3 in some parts but let down by some overlooked things like DVD firmware and same goes for PS3 by using the same random number.

It might be close to impossible to hacking the next-generation machines unless they do a silly error. I think Microsoft and Sony will learn from this generation.

I hope the PS4 comes out around 2013, as the mid-range parts available then will be as powerful as high-end parts available now and also use less power.

 

[Destinkeys]

The sky is falling!!

And there's no such thing as Global Warming...

Just because the consequences for an action or inaction take place so slowly that it is difficult to see them (especially when you are determined NOT to see them) doesn't mean they are not happening.

Whatever you do for a living (if in fact you actually DO do something for a living), imagine your industry being hit by a 60% loss of gross. Bet that sky is looking a LOT more threatening now.

 

[d3br34k5]

I hope the PS4 comes out around 2013, as the mid-range parts available then will be as powerful as high-end parts available now and also use less power.

I hope Gran Turismo will be using those powerful high end parts if I so choose.

I'm part of the GT for PC Party.

Hack away, hackers. GT5 is GT5.

 

[Saidur_Ali]

I hope Gran Turismo will be using those powerful high end parts if I so choose.

I'm part of the GT for PC Party.

Hack away, hackers. GT5 is GT5.

I've wanted GT on PC but I knew it won't happen. Forza is likely though but with the next-gen consoles I don't think PC gaming will be necessary as it was this generation. Most games on the PS4 will run at 60fps at 1920x1080 with probably at least two times the graphics quality of Uncharted 2. That game only runs at 30fps at 720p currently. GT5 models in-game will look as good as in photo mode while running at full hd with 3d trees, crowds and no jagged shadows. I think the next-gen will be as big as the SNES and Playstation 1 era in terms of leap. This generation was really the building blocks for next-gen, fixing out as much bugs in online gaming and system software. Call it a transistional period. I was really annoyed with Sony for not changing the RSX to be based of the 8800GTX as that would have been awesome, they had the time to do it due to the delay of the PS3 launch.

Back to topic, save game hack will be easily solved I guess by PD especially for online racing as they will force an update to play online. The problem is just the trophies get unlocked but the PSN users will be easy to ban who use the hack. I think Sony will realise people aren't Superman who can platinum the game in a minute.

 

[iinsom00]

I think "bricking" might be severe, but they're perfectly within their rights to do that... Well... might be within their rights... hell... someone might successfully sue them for a remote bricking...

Sony cant brick your console. If you read up on the hack sites (Clearly cant post links here) there is reasons why companies cant, and wont do it (legal) as you own the product, they cant remotely disable it so you cant use it anymore.

Banning from PSN/Xbox Live on the other hand...

 

[Griffith500]

And there's no such thing as Global Warming...

Just because the consequences for an action or inaction take place so slowly that it is difficult to see them (especially when you are determined NOT to see them) doesn't mean they are not happening.

Whatever you do for a living (if in fact you actually DO do something for a living), imagine your industry being hit by a 60% loss of gross. Bet that sky is looking a LOT more threatening now.

Well, it doesn't help that all three of the entertainment industries you mentioned seem more keen on blaming and punishing their market, rather then thinking of innovative ways to get around the issue. The music industry is collapsing in on its own bulk (if it's collapsing at all) and the quality was a bigger issue long before piracy was.

So long as people are willing to work hard at something they love and provide clever ways of getting it to us, the people with the money or the simple desire will buy it. Chasing down profits in a way that doesn't suit the commodity you're selling is only the fault of those trying to sell.

The indie games movement is looking far more promising anyway - they're making better games and potentially will replace the current establishment, if piracy is to destroy it as you say, simply because they're engaging with their market and being original!

P.S. Get off it with the "Global Warming" nonsense.

 

[TJ31]

The most short sided post I've read so far. Piracy is EVERYTHING. For anyone who has followed how piracy has decimated the music industry, for everyone that is watching how piracy is going to do the same to the movie industry, and for anyone with a lick of sense that can extrapolate to the game industry, piracy is the ONLY issue.

So it cost $60M to develop GT5? What chance is there that PD will make GT6 if they know that they will make half or less on it than GT5?

The music industry has lost well over 60% of its entire gross to piracy. End result is crappy music recorded on shoestring budgets. Next will come movies. And then games.

Shortsighted refusal to admit any consequences to your actions. Welcome to the Toys'R'Us generation.

60%, really? I doubt it's even 20% at it's worst. Yes, it's still insane ammount of money, but all those "movies/music/games" losing at least half of the profit because piracy is far from the truth.
Why? Because those companies count every pirated game or album as it would've been a sold one, but it's not like that.
Most of the people who pirates games/albums/whatever wouldn't buy it anyway, so still 0$ for those companies.
And i know some people in real life who is the living proof for that. They somehow could save enough money for the console, but they can't afford to buy even 5 - 8 games per year and there's no games for rent in my country.
If they couldn't use a free games, they just wouldn't have bought a console. That's why most of them still don't have a PS3.

And yeah, blame side effects... not very smart thing to do. Almost anything can be used for illegal ways, weapons for example, so what? They are bad thing too now?

 

[machschnel]

I agree that it isn't technically illegal, but gtplanet has a good relationship with Sony and they wouldn't want to comprimise that.

How do you figure?

If someone post's a thread asking for Polyphony/Sony to add a new track, a Moderator will quickly lock the thread. Why? Because "GTPlanet has no relationship with Sony/Polyphony and nothing asked for on this website will ever be seen or responded to from said companies".

But now GTPlanet had a "good relationship with Sony"?

For what it's worth, GTPlanet should not allow anything illegal on this site, but when I say illegal, I refer to actual law, not Sony's laws, which are worth less than the "paper" they are written on.

 

[Tornado]

The most short sided post I've read so far.

You know what's similarly short-sighted? The assertion that since jailbreaking makes piracy possible, the the only reason for jailbreaking is piracy and that everyone will jailbreak to pirate.

 

[Destinkeys]

From the RIAA:

One credible analysis by the Institute for Policy Innovation concludes that global music piracy causes $12.5 billion of economic losses every year, 71,060 U.S. jobs lost, a loss of $2.7 billion in workers' earnings, and a loss of $422 million in tax revenues, $291 million in personal income tax and $131 million in lost corporate income and production taxes. For copies of the report, please visit www.ipi.org.

Just keep kidding yourself. MY piracy is not going to harm anyone...

Or just start a band, and try to get a deal. Let me know how that works out for you.

 

[SideShow Bob]

There are plenty of reputable articles that refute the RIAA claim

 

[Tornado]

From the RIAA:

Just keep kidding yourself. MY piracy is not going to harm anyone...

Or just start a band, and try to get a deal. Let me know how that works out for you.

I see how that does absolutely nothing in response to what I said. And since you want to play "regurgitate figures and hope people don't notice that I haven't answered to anything", how about this:

According to PlayStation University, the PlayStation 3software attach rate is creeping in on the Xbox 360's, threatening to kill off the old adage that games simply do not sell on the Sonyconsole. Despite a lower install base, software sales for the PS3 were significantly higher than that of the Xbox 360 in the fiscal 2009, 115.6 million to 103.1 million. The fiscal year runs from May until the end of April. The new results put lifetime software sales at 290.5 million, still well below the 360's 353.8 million, but catching up quickly. At 35.7 million PS3 units sold, that puts the attach rate at 8.1. The 360 has 40.2 million lifetime sales, for an attach rate of 8.8. Both those numbers are higher than the Nintendo Wii, with a 7.7 attach rate, despite much larger hardware and software sales. All three pale in comparison to the aging PS2, which has been out since 2000 and still has a remarkable 10.3 attach rate.

Linky

The PS3, the only console whose security hadn't been cracked by that point, had a somewhat lower attach rate than the JTaggable-or-firmware-flashable 360, a barely higher attach rate than the practically-childs-play-to-hack-and-pirate-games-on Nintendo Wii, and a substancially lower number than the able-to-softmod-and-load-backups-since-2002 PS2. Pretty far removed from the 60% figure you are so sure is going to happen that you feel you have the right to be abusive towards those who disagree.

 

[Delirious]

Are there such people who wish to jailbreak to do it with only "legal" intentions? Like I own Doom and Quake games...they are open source. Say I want to play them on my jailbroken PS3.

Or say like in the golden PS2 days with gameshark codes for OFFLINE use. Could I be legitimate if I wanted to use "gameshark" codes for my PS3 games OFFLINE with TROPHIES DISABLED?

I'm only speculating and have not said that this is my intention or desire to do so...

 

[niky]

A side effect is irrelevant.
The act is not illicit.

Side effects are relevant. Post how to make gunpowder on the internet and you can possibly talk yourself into thinking that the knowledge to do this can be used for innocent purposes. Post detailed instructions on how to make a pipe bomb and that goes out the window.

Software keys are somewhere halfway between the two. You're teaching people how to get around software restrictions. While there are innocent reasons to want to do this... like running Linux, for example... there are many less-than-innocent reasons to want this information... like piracy. And many more people are interested in the latter than the former.

*link nuked* Read the gorram AUP.

Cute. Deleted.

https://www.gtplanet.net/aup

You will not use these forums for the purposes of sharing or distributing viruses, licenses, registration information, software keys, pirated commercial multimedia files, “cracks”, or other information designed to do harm to or allow unlawful access to any computer software or systems.

Source code may not be harmful by itself, but again, whatever the legal implications or lack thereof of publishing such, it's still against forum policy to post such.

While I realize there's some leeway in the language of the AUP, please use common sense. Basically, the AUP suggests not doing it, so don't post anything technical that can lead to the decoding of proprietary software formats and data. We're not a programming forum. We don't need to see this data.

Thank you.

 

[blaaah]

*

Side effects are relevant. Post how to make gunpowder on the internet and you can possibly talk yourself into thinking that the knowledge to do this can be used for innocent purposes. Post detailed instructions on how to make a pipe bomb and that goes out the window.

Software keys are somewhere halfway between the two. You're teaching people how to get around software restrictions. While there are innocent reasons to want to do this... like running Linux, for example... there are many less-than-innocent reasons to want this information... like piracy. And many more people are interested in the latter than the former.


Cute. Deleted.

https://www.gtplanet.net/aup


Source code may not be harmful by itself, but again, whatever the legal implications or lack thereof of publishing such, it's still against forum policy to post such.
Which viewable policy?

While I realize there's some leeway in the language of the AUP, please use common sense. Basically, the AUP suggests not doing it, so don't post anything technical that can lead to the decoding of proprietary software formats and data. We're not a programming forum. We don't need to see this data.
Yes the AUP can be interpreted in various ways.
So rules can be determined by:
"You will, if asked by a representative of the forums, cease posting any content."
But it seems that would have to be asked every single time.
It's not covered by:
"You will not use these forums for the purposes of sharing or distributing viruses, licenses, registration information, software keys, pirated commercial multimedia files, “cracks”, or other information designed to do harm to or allow unlawful access to any computer software or systems."
As there is no proof that they are designed to do harm or allow unlawful access." If that bit was removed from the end then it would be a simple AUP matter. Meaning even if it was legal or harmless it's still not allowed.





Thank you.

 

[niky]

Which viewable policy?

This policy, which all members are asked to read when they first register for the forums:

https://www.gtplanet.net/aup

As there is no proof that they are designed to do harm or allow unlawful access." If that bit was removed from the end then it would be a simple AUP matter. Meaning even if it was legal or harmless it's still not allowed.

While the "designed" portion is debatable, as you noted, the rules can be left to the discretion of the forum representative. If you have suggestions for how the rules can be changed regarding these matters to make them less ambiguous, then I suggest you repost that comment under Site Feedback... as it is actually an excellent suggestion. 👍

As it is, I must take the strictest stance I can in this case, because this thread and the one regarding the PS3 root key are contested topics. They're topics that we'd rather not allow (maximum prevention) but still allow anyway because otherwise people will keep posting new threads saying: "OMG, PS3 r007 k3y h4xx0rd!" ceaselessly.

 

[Killa Aaron]

This policy, which all members are asked to read when they first register for the forums:

https://www.gtplanet.net/aup



While the "designed" portion is debatable, as you noted, the rules can be left to the discretion of the forum representative. If you have suggestions for how the rules can be changed regarding these matters to make them less ambiguous, then I suggest you repost that comment under Site Feedback... as it is actually an excellent suggestion. 👍

As it is, I must take the strictest stance I can in this case, because this thread and the one regarding the PS3 root key are contested topics. They're topics that we'd rather not allow (maximum prevention) but still allow anyway because otherwise people will keep posting new threads saying: "OMG, PS3 r007 k3y h4xx0rd!" ceaselessly.

It will be best (easier) for you and for the community of to just close this thread as it's just leading to what it shouldn't be.

 

[Delirious]

If anyone can speculate/share thoughts on what I posted above...possible to be legit or best to err to the safe side and not chance posting about it?

 

[niky]

The only verboten topics are discussing actual use (as in: step-by-step) of the codes and where to obtain them.

Discussing theoretical uses and applications of the code are different.

@Delirious: I see nothing wrong with those uses, no.

 

[shepzki]

Are there such people who wish to jailbreak to do it with only "legal" intentions? Like I own Doom and Quake games...they are open source. Say I want to play them on my jailbroken PS3.

I believe there are such people, who are not interested in piracy and the like however I truly believe they are a very small minority. Despite what Failoverfl0w said, the main reason people are interested, and why they are being sued is because their work allows for piracy.

I can understand those who are not, those who genuinely get a kick out of running homebrew code on the PS3, Linux & the possibility to run games directly from the hard drive.

Personally not interested in jailbreaking, would not give up my PSN & risk getting my console bricked by Sony just for the sake of some homebrew & to save a bit of wear on my HDD.