Pushing the Limits

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It's pretty cool thread start though Bryan C, thanks, cause I never felt the need to push beyond the limits of angle....well, I never tried this hard assuming I was at the limits, but after I saw your pictures, I went drifting 3 laps and got my REAL LIMIT. And...now drifting isn't boring anymore, its fun again:D THANKS ALOT.

PS. Yeah I WAS getting bored of drifting....
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Its odd that you said you wanted this thread locked... Now you want it to stay open because you love it so much..... :ouch:
 
Bryan C.
how many times do we have to break it down for your noobs?

1. grip is faster than drift.
2. grip is STILL faster than drift
3. believe it or not, despite what Intial D or some game says, GRIP IS FASTER THAN DRIFT.
4. oh yah, and posers suck. Go home and play with your pet monkey.
TEH end!


cept Ryen, he's cool.
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I have to go home too? :(

But yeah, that's about it right there.

So as far as pushing your car. Well, it depends. I've seen people pushing cars with 150hp drifting all over and I've seen 600hp cars drifting with precise control(GT4 and IRL). So it literally comes down to the driver.

I generally like to leave a little bit of margin for error so I know where I stand. Even in GT4. There are times when I push, but I've found if I'm always pushing, I miss a lot. Like cool links and thing like that. Sometimes you have to step back and take a good relaxed look at what you're doing.
 
Swift
I have to go home too? :(

But yeah, that's about it right there.

So as far as pushing your car. Well, it depends. I've seen people pushing cars with 150hp drifting all over and I've seen 600hp cars drifting with precise control(GT4 and IRL). So it literally comes down to the driver.

I generally like to leave a little bit of margin for error so I know where I stand. Even in GT4. There are times when I push, but I've found if I'm always pushing, I miss a lot. Like cool links and thing like that. Sometimes you have to step back and take a good relaxed look at what you're doing.
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Nicely said.
 
Bryan C.
kiss $ss
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Oh, I didn't mean it like that

btw, I was more focused on what he said about how far one could push a car with x amount of power and be smooth. This usually goes for everyone...
noone actually goes to their full potential when they drive, but when they try to, they end up messing up.
 
the only time I dont have to countersteer is when i'm in my skyline and on rare occassions in my other fr cars... so I wouldn't consider my drifts pushing beyond the limits I'm almost there though :sly:👍
 
lllb0y
The fastest drifts are actually the ones without counter-steer. You call "counter"steering that for a reason.
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well, sometimes the "fastest" drifts require the least steering work, just a little bit of steer in at the corner entrance, and what the driver did was, he steers/pushes the car throughout the corner using the throttle, weight and momentum control. So if there's a lot of countersteer, that means he's in for a bigger angle slide, that can't be considered as "really" fast. :)

but you won't see much of these nowadays, cars nowadays are way too advance, traction control yay lol :dopey:
 
I "hang it out there" ;) I'm personally more into "racing drifts" or whatcha callem... That is, I rarely drift beyond the angle I would exit the corner at when gripping, except when linking or manji'ing (poorly I'll admit).

Some places, like the dual left at the start of Apricot, I'll go all sideways in sort of a frantic 4-wheel slide and trying to regain control in time for the 2nd corner.. does that count as "pushing it"? I've been pretty close to 90 degrees and still making that one ;)
 
beyond the limits is an oxymoron. the only thing i push is my patience.

i like to go with the improbable and unpopular.
 
Ryen49
Its odd that you said you wanted this thread locked... Now you want it to stay open because you love it so much..... :ouch:
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I loveD It very much, and I mean the STARTING OF the thread, I dont love the fact that it's still open ryan. Dont try to act like I'm stupid, it's not fun and if you think about it, I love it because the thread was STARTED, not because it aint closed yet.

Please think before acting as if I'm>:dunce:
 
No one on this site can push a car beyond its limits unless you cheat.
You can only push to the absolute limit. Which I am sure alot of us can do. I am not going to brag but I will leave a link to my drift pics. It is basically in order from some of my first drifts to some of my later. I am building a collection to add more to my site.

Link didn't work here look below.
 
I think alot of people have lost site of the context of "beyond the limits". Beyond does not refer to the limits of your car, but to the limits of the opposite lock of your car. If the angle of your wheels to the corner is greater than the angle of your opposite lock, then you have transceneded the limits of your opposite lock and pushed it "beyond the limits". In other words, if you are opposite locking, and the tires are in the exact same angle to the corner as if you were going straight, but the car is sideways, that would be the limit of the opposite lock of your car. If you go past that, then you have gone past the limits of the opposite lock. (see picture in my previous post for example)
 
like this? or is that a bit before since i am not perpendicular to the rumble strip.
 

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Bryan C.
I think alot of people have lost site of the context of "beyond the limits". Beyond does not refer to the limits of your car, but to the limits of the opposite lock of your car. If the angle of your wheels to the corner is greater than the angle of your opposite lock, then you have transceneded the limits of your opposite lock and pushed it "beyond the limits". In other words, if you are opposite locking, and the tires are in the exact same angle to the corner as if you were going straight, but the car is sideways, that would be the limit of the opposite lock of your car. If you go past that, then you have gone past the limits of the opposite lock. (see picture in my previous post for example)
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hey Bryan, You clean out some of your PM's yet? It was full, you know?

And yes, this is a glitch in the game IMO. Because in real life if you go past a certain angle (between 45-80 degrees depending on speed, wheelspin, correction, etc) it is near impossible to keep from spining out. With this game I can easily bring back 100* (beyond vertical, I call it reverse drifting) drift and not spin out or go off track. :odd: I mean WTF, things like that are very hard and very rare to pull off in real life and can only be done in FF/AWD cars, NO REAR WHEEL DRIVE CAR CAN RECOVER FROM THAT IN REAL LIFE because the technique used to recover involves getting the front wheels to spin and pull you forward and out of the drift/spin.
 
Yes, and that all boils down to, the rear tires can't be sliding/slipping more than the front or else it will spin(after it initializes). In an FF you just hammer it and the front tires will make the front slip more, that's why a drift in an FR is always faster because you could be on the gas through the whole drift and sustain it.
 
Yeah, but 4WD isn't too hard, even not at that angle and I know that, cause I pulled them off in my first GT4 period, when I couldn't drift FR cars because of the countersteering speed required. 4WD can be VERY VERY easy, really, no thing about it.......it's only ashame that when I learned to drift FR cars, 4WD became VERY VERY boring, and I cant do that anymore, but I remember pulling off some crazy drifts, even ONE drift that I managed to go more than 90 degree (or it seemed like it) and went very fast, slowed down because of the drift, and went through a hairpin with it when I just got my power back on again, fantastic drift but really, no skill I tried to do a 360 spin and then drift the hairpin afterwards, I was just freakin lucky lol, no skill thing:p And somehow it seemed like it was a glitch too because the physics allowed something the dont normally do, like spinning 50 times in 5 seconds if you spin out on high speed ring.......*ever saw that before? Real sick:crazy::sick:*
 
Lol, thank god it's not only me who got worse at drifting AWD. Yea I used to also pull off those amazing 90 degree drifts too (All you need to do is be on the gas and it'll stabalize the car).
 
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and yah, 4WD drifting is a little easier than FR drifting to me, but dont discount it totally, it still take skill.

Nice drifts dude :)
 
Ok fine we agree 4wd is a bit easier but here is a few other pics for people to see. My first drifting in GT4 was done in the Trueno. I moved on to the Lancer Evolutions only because I can out run 400+ Horsepower cars while drifting and they grip in a slide better because they are lighter than other 4wd cars. Here are a few other picks for the everyone.

 

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