Race discussion thread (Help, hints tips advice?)

[holl01]

well i'm done for the BC

6'43.369:tup:

pretty much nothing left at all, i was bloody damn nervous approaching the last sector, had my heart racing 150 beats at least but managed to control my nerves to pretty much nail it sweetly i highly doubt a 6'42 is possible unless u nail everything, heres a replay

edit- just rea;ized i was saying 6'43 again instead of 5'42, excuse me while i repeatably head butt a concrete slab for 10 minutes...

 

[Small_Fryz]

Wonderful time Dan 👍 and your lap is perfect and very insane 👍


Casio your lap is dirty mate, havnt look in analyser to make sure but its definetly too dirty to risk a DQ on. other than that is very fast!.

 

[holl01]

Wonderful time Dan 👍 and your lap is perfect and very insane 👍


Casio your lap is dirty mate, havnt look in analyser to make sure but its definetly too dirty to risk a DQ on. other than that is very fast!.

thanx, the time sure felt insane, didnt think a low 43 would be possible especilly when drivning it back in week 7 of wrs, best i could do back then was a 48!

 

[shockwaveracing]

after a brain wave from Casio i whacked RSS on the front and went flat out, and pulled a second from my previous best... 4'57.855 is where i am at now (thanks Brad - don't let it go to your head all at once)

on the old setup i was doing RS/RS and running consistent laps around 59.3 and 1'01.4 for the first lap and it got me to 4'58.8 but there was very little left in it

so now with the RSS/RS combo it makes the tail fairly light which helps it turn in much quicker... only problem is that i am all out of front tyre by the end of the last lap, so i reckon there is more time to be made yet, with some smarter driving on the last two laps...

 

[Small_Fryz]

Great news shockwave! 👍

I will be sub 60 tommorow when i have another session 👍, but not sure how far.

 

[Z]

Well, the car still sucks for my combo, but I learned a little something with regards to tuning in GT mode, at least. Managed to throw together this craptastic setup that is allowing times in the 1'25.5 range. If anyone could give the setup a quick run and see if my time is worth anything, I'd greatly appreciate it. While I'm quite confident in my rally abilities, I am just not too comfortable with the setup process of GT mode. I've learned that "comfortable to drive" does not equal "fast", so second or third opinions are always welcome. Setup and scenario below:

Lancia Delta HF Integrale Rally Car '92 / Swiss Alps (Forward) / Full Power / GT Mode

Brakes: 5 / 5

Springs: 5.7 / 5.2
Ride Height: 155 / 150
Bound: 3 / 6
Rebound: 3 / 6
Camber: 0 / 0
Toe: 0 / 0
Stabilizers: 3 / 6

Transmission:
1st: 3.566
2nd: 2.508
3rd: 1.904
4th: 1.548
5th: 1.331
6th: 1.153
Final: 3.111
Auto: 13

Limited Slip:
Initial Torque: 17 / 19
Acceleration: 26 / 32
Deceleration: 15 / 26

VCD: 22

Thanks in advance.
-Z

 

[holl01]

well had a go at small fryz's oreca combo and managed to pull off an ok time of 59.737, possibly another .3 left for the maximum time, i had a dissaponting t1 of .504, seen a .311, lost .15 on the last corner also, which was dissapointing

 

[Toffe]

I have made my first session with the Seattle combo and reached 1'30.9xx.

I also took a look at your replay casio. Great lap:tup: . And the most disturbing thing for me is that of those 0.5 sec I'm behind you, I lose 0.4 up to the first split . Gonna work on it though! (Except for tomorrow and friday since I'll graduate from high school tomorrow! )

Keep up the good work all!👍

 

[MinorShunt]

I have made my first session with the Seattle combo and reached 1'30.9xx.

I also took a look at your replay casio. Great lap:tup: . And the most disturbing thing for me is that of those 0.5 sec I'm behind you, I lose 0.4 up to the first split . Gonna work on it though! (Except for tomorrow and friday since I'll graduate from high school tomorrow! )

Keep up the good work all!👍

There is a little bit of a trick to the first sector Toffe. I don't remember what gearing I used when testing this, but the left after the first hairpin you can take flat in 4th by just missing the inside curb so as to not upset the balance. Then I made sure that I short shifted into 5th b4 hitting the first step. It makes a big difference! Then brake about 1/3 of the way up the last step
and hit the gas just microseconds after the little unsettling bump towards the top exiting out on the curbing. You really have to get this right, and maintain momentum or you lose a lot on the short straight. BTW, congrats on the graduation mate!

I got my first legal race in the bag for the 10 lapper. It's still quite messy, and lot's of room for improvement, but at least if I keel over dead tomorrow I've got a time to submit.
14'09.xxx
Best lap time was a 1'23.235 which is hustling pretty good on a full load of fuel. There is no need for a pit stop as I can manage to make the S3's last for all 10 laps even with strong tire wear. I tried S2's on the rears but I can't get them to hook up good till lap 6 so I'll stick with S3's all around for now.

@Z.- I'll give your combo a go tonight. I've been driving the SA track quite a bit in ARC the last couple of months, so hopefully I can be of some help. 👍

 

[Casio]

after a brain wave from Casio i whacked RSS on the front and went flat out, and pulled a second from my previous best... 4'57.855 is where i am at now (thanks Brad - don't let it go to your head all at once)

We're all a team right?! (Even if you do go for the Eagles....)

 

[hOt6o4bOi]

hmmm, any AI wizards out there?

possibly can save some time, drafting off the start

the standing start is tricky tho, control of wheelspin is key

 

[Small_Fryz]

Somehow this feels similar to BC5.

Instead this time im chasing a 59, where as BC5 i was chasing a 1'01.xxx.
Just did this lap

17.491 -- 17.426 (dirty) and ive seen 17.297
39.439 -- 39.368

59.864 -- 59.854

****EN DIRTY!, but oh well, i know i can do it.

Lets hope i can hook up T1 and get a nice lap together.

Edit.

17.438 --- 17.297
39.648 --- 39.393

1'00.029 - 1'00.013

Still loosing time.

My uber best lap is now a 59.6.

Well i think the ultimate splits for the winner would be

17.1 / 38.9 / 59.3

So thats what i will aim for.
But i will be happy with a 59.5

 

[MinorShunt]

You're right Dion. That sounds just like BC5. But I know you will get it just like last time mate. 👍

@Z.- I had a good 2 hour session on your race tonight Shaun. I went full stage 4 turbo and an oil change and got 524HP. Is that right? Oh, also I did not install the roll cage. So I loaded your setup and this is indeed a handful to drive. Very different from the WRC cars. To tell the truth I had a hard time controlling the car with all the turbo lag and of course the SWB doesn't help either. Long and short of it is, that with your setup the best I could manage was a low 1'28, with most laps in the mid to high 1'28's. To give some perspective, for the ARC IV race which was an exact repeat of your BC5 race, I got to within about .5 of your P2 time, (but it took way more than 2 hours! ) so I have a bit of recent experience at this track.

So anyway, I started playing with the setup after over an hour of driving on the original setup, and ended up with the following setup. I managed to drop over 2 seconds almost immediately. For me it was just night and day. It may have a lot to do with driving style and the fact that I am using the DFP. I don't know. But it may be worth it to give the setup a try. For me it really smoothed everything out and allowed me to take the lines I wanted while keeping the power down and semi under control. Hope you can use a little of it mate! 👍

Brakes: 5/8

Springs: 4.3/4.7
Height: 160/160
Bound: 1/2
Rebound: 2/3
Camber: 0/0
Toe: -2/0
Stabilizers: 1/2

Transmission: same as your setup. Worked very good. 👍

Limited Slip: Turn it off completely. Set all to 5.

VCD: 18

 

[Z]

You're right Dion. That sounds just like BC5. But I know you will get it just like last time mate. 👍

@Z.- I had a good 2 hour session on your race tonight Shaun. I went full stage 4 turbo and an oil change and got 524HP. Is that right? Oh, also I did not install the roll cage. So I loaded your setup and this is indeed a handful to drive. Very different from the WRC cars. To tell the truth I had a hard time controlling the car with all the turbo lag and of course the SWB doesn't help either. Long and short of it is, that with your setup the best I could manage was a low 1'28, with most laps in the mid to high 1'28's. To give some perspective, for the ARC IV race which was an exact repeat of your BC5 race, I got to within about .5 of your P2 time, (but it took way more than 2 hours! ) so I have a bit of recent experience at this track.

So anyway, I started playing with the setup after over an hour of driving on the original setup, and ended up with the following setup. I managed to drop over 2 seconds almost immediately. For me it was just night and day. It may have a lot to do with driving style and the fact that I am using the DFP. I don't know. But it may be worth it to give the setup a try. For me it really smoothed everything out and allowed me to take the lines I wanted while keeping the power down and semi under control. Hope you can use a little of it mate! 👍

Brakes: 5/8

Springs: 4.3/4.7
Height: 160/160
Bound: 1/2
Rebound: 2/3
Camber: 0/0
Toe: -2/0
Stabilizers: 1/2

Transmission: same as your setup. Worked very good. 👍

Limited Slip: Turn it off completely. Set all to 5.

VCD: 18

Thank you very much for your input, Steve. You are right on with the power numbers and not installing the roll cage. Though I didn't mention anything about it in my original post, I did attempt installing it on a spare car only to see it become crippled.

I must admit this car was just a completely different animal to me as well. On my first session I left everything stock . . . started the lap by trying to stay full-throttle and throw the car into the final corner to get speed for the start/finish straight and . . . "Oh &%$@". What the hell is this thing doing? I might as well have been in a RWD. That said, I'm thankful to have GT mode available for this one, otherwise I'd be screwed.

Anywho, it seems like your revised setup will acheive what I'm looking for. With the one I posted, I was required to take odd lines (and if I missed a braking point by a meter, well, I was going way off line.. awful) and use partial throttle entirely too much. I'll certainly give yours a go and see what I can do with it. Thanks again for spending some time on it. 👍

Edit: Put some time into it and am now at 1'25.3. Still some time left in it as I adjust to the settings, but the car definitely doesn't mind holding speed in the corners, now -- especially the final corner and the fast right after the T1 straight. Thanks again. 👍

 

[holl01]

i find it hard to imagine that a 17.1xx is possible for a T1 time in the oreca combo at deep forest, my best was a .311 and it felt like the limit, so the 59.3xx time is pretty much not even physically possible to achieve, the winning time would probably be a high 59.5xx, or 6xx, i used a left foot braking technique for all of the corners except for a little bit on the last were i had to brake quickly due to mis timing. will give casio's combo some attention soon

 

[holl01]

that in the mustang?

i will try and have a run in a couple of other combos see what i can muster...

hahaha, i get it, muster a.k.a mustang, hahaaa

 

[Casio]

Got a clean 30.411 on mine. 29 is more difficult then I thought. But I should be able to get it.

 

[shockwaveracing]

We're all a team right?! (Even if you do go for the Eagles....)

now now, whose team is top of the ladder?

hahaha, i get it, muster a.k.a mustang, hahaaa

ah there was no pun intended in what i actually said, i never even realised it til i read your post...

 

[holl01]

hehe, ur a poet and u didnt even know it

gave casios combo a quick 1.5 hour session and managed

xx.607
1'10.585

1'29.766

not much time left to extract, maybe .15 at the very most. next combo will be hotbois

 

[Small_Fryz]

i find it hard to imagine that a 17.1xx is possible for a T1 time in the oreca combo at deep forest, my best was a .311 and it felt like the limit, so the 59.3xx time is pretty much not even physically possible to achieve, the winning time would probably be a high 59.5xx, or 6xx, i used a left foot braking technique for all of the corners except for a little bit on the last were i had to brake quickly due to mis timing. will give casio's combo some attention soon

Your wrong dan.

Low 59 is possible. You just havnt spent enough time on it and tried enough techniques.

Slide the car through the bend after T1 and the bend before T2 and also the last corner.

If i copy past MY splits together I get a 59.620. let alone what you could get.

 

[fasj6418]

new splits for me.

28´847
57´068

then, when i realized i was 0´3 up on holl´s split, blood start pumping, heart beating fast, nerves blow up and... off track in the last turn i must have lost 0´3 there. still finished the lap and got:

1´26´711

i´m curious to see what dan says when he plays my combo again. i hope he says something like: "1´25 is very, very hard to get" if he says that, then i´m very happy. my uber lap with all splits togheter would be 1´26´3xx so far. and i know its very early, but i don´t see a lot of time to be had.

 

[shockwaveracing]

hehe, ur a poet and u didnt even know it

lol

have not managed to take more time off of my current PB, but am closing in on it, have found that i am quicker at the start of a session than after half an hour of doing it...

 

[MisterWeary]

I've played around with my combo and I don't know the best way to get by the AI. If I take off in 1st gear I can tail him into the first corner and if I get through it okay there's a chance I can stay in front from there without him pole-axing me. If I take off in 2nd he just veers straight into me, no take off method I've tried allows me to get past the AI cleanly and safely though. I also don't know the best top speed setting.

 

[Z]

I've played around with my combo and I don't know the best way to get by the AI. If I take off in 1st gear I can tail him into the first corner and if I get through it okay there's a chance I can stay in front from there without him pole-axing me. If I take off in 2nd he just veers straight into me, no take off method I've tried allows me to get past the AI cleanly and safely though. I also don't know the best top speed setting.

Hey Colby, I just gave your combo a quick run. While running hotlaps, I found 310km/h to be best and was running times somewhere in the 1'27.8 range with it. Took the ol' girl to the races and got paired up against a Lancer IV '97. Whoever drives this Lancer is a moron, obviously, as he cuts off your initial line to the outside. Fine. Launch in first, let him have his split-second lead and you cut to the inside as he takes the long way. Many times you'll probably have to check your replay very close to examine for AI hits, but unfortunately, that was the fastest way around him that I found.. That said, you should be quite a few seconds ahead by T1.

Hope this helps you out some.

 

[jmgyro]

Race 2

24.520 (24.468)
44.573 (44.559)
1.06.618

Can't see much more up to T2, I got it so all throughtout the 2nd sector it's full 100% throttle. Maybe time on end? In all times posted the last sector has been around 22.050-22.080


Also need someone NTSC to check this replay. Right before T1 it gets real close to the wall. There's no speed drop but the speed stays still while it jumps up onto the curb.

 

[holl01]

few replays for our joint:tup:

nsx at grand valley reverse 1'05.931

[splits were both .1xx from memory, it was pretty much the limit, i used 4th for first at 163, then switched to third as i made contact with outside curbing, then took the left at 113, then the cut the right kink a bit and immediately switched to...and stayed in...4th gear...taking it at 140 or high 130's.....slightly drifting it, using all the road available, including a bit of the grass on the inside. pass T1, brake around where the curbing ends, in 2nd can the tight hairpin be taken...at 60, then switch to third just as u turn in and hit the inside rumble strip for the double left combo, u can cut it if u like but always foucs on exit speed so cuttin this section may not be advisable as u might get out of shape, avoid hitting those cones, and for the fast left, i watched my replay and i tapped the brakes very slightly, and took it at 160....a little little drift to begin with, but caught it very soon and had very good exit speed, the last u brake really early and take it in 2nd at 74 ish, switch gears a little after the redline]

bmw at seattle 1'29.766

dodge viper oreca at deep forest [R] 59.737 (this one isnt the best of laps, the limit is indeed a low 59.3xx- i tried it with the ds2 for half an hour and was getting some ultra fast sectors when attempting drifts, one T2 of .014 was achieved, but the first corner was dirty)

 

[jmgyro]

i watched my replay and i tapped the brakes very slightly, and took it at 160

that seems unreasonable that you could match my 2nd sector even while hitting the brakes and I never let off the throttle or used the brakes

guess I could take the turn before T1 faster, it seems if you try to take it in the high 80's it slides really hard and hits the wall and I'm not sure what type of angle you would take at the end. If you brake that early and try to take it in 2nd it can't stay on the road

 

[jmgyro]

24.406
44.496
106.466

21.970 from 22.045 so .075 faster on ending, dont see how that much more is faster on ending since I did brake a little earlier and were both going at same speed and I had no hestitation and did it cleanly. Are you switching gears imediately at redline?

saw only one 24.311 on beginning and that was just drifting crazy fast through the first section

edit: on first section I was using 3rd gear on that last corner instead of 4th but I find that using 4th there makes the car a brick and it hardly turns at all

 

[MinorShunt]

What a great advantage for Team GTP to have holl01 trying all the combos. BIG 👍 and thanks to you mate! Very Happy

@Misterweary- I will check the saved replay I have of your race tonight, but I didn't have any problems getting by the AI at the start. I started in 2nd using 75% throttle to minimize wheelspin and immediately left him in the dust. Also, it seems like it was a group B car????? I will check what car it was and confirm that I had all the race specs correct also.

 

[MisterWeary]

Thanks for the tips guys. I've been doing what you said Shaun but I felt there might be a faster way around him. My T1 is always in the 33.5 - 33.9 range but on a slightly dirty start where I scraped the AI a little I had a 33.0. Just seems like a fair bit of time to be losing before T1 particularly in BC so i wanna be sure I get to T1 as fast as I can. After that this combo is pretty easy, the car is a sweet ride 👍

2nd gear at 75%...I'll give that a blast later today as well Steve. The only AI I've come up against is a lancer (I forget which one) if another car appears as the lineup I'd better search for it 👍