*Race* is out

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i'd be nice to be clear about thread closing and usage btw.. this thread is about the Race DEMO, i opened a Thread concerning the Full game. I see a difference, but mods don't. Perharps renaming this thread to "Race, the WTCC game" would make more sens...

Anyhow, like i asked previously, what exactly don't you guys like about Race? The full game feels lots better then the Demo, the multiplayer so far is very strong, and graphically, its a lot better then one I,ve seen in racing games on PC. Especially the lighting which is awesome.
 
Speaking of a WTCC mod being done for a better game, I just downloaded one for RFactor today, it is ace, and it's free if your already have RFactor. I'll be racing thoes WTCC cars at the ring tomorrow me thinks.
 
being tested by real drivers doesnt mean anything. They are inexperienced with sim racing and how close it can be to reality and the standards that have already been set. And in all the interviews i've seen, they never commented on the physics. just the track detail and car detail. and how things still needed work. Its all just marketing.

+ all the sim racers i know with real racing experience said its crap.

That doesn't make sense. The real drivers have real experience. If they say it's very life like, I belive them, not some 16 year old Sim-racer wannabe. (Not you, but in general.)

Ah, well - your loss.
 
yes it makes perfect sense. Many games that are incredibly arcadey (even more than need for speed underground) have been endorsed by world renowned racecar drivers. if you want to remain ignorant then be my guest.

Its fine perfectly fine if the game meets your standards.
 
That doesn't make sense. The real drivers have real experience. If they say it's very life like, I belive them, not some 16 year old Sim-racer wannabe. (Not you, but in general.)

Ah, well - your loss.
Okay, explain Tommy Makkinen Rally to me then. Hell we'll go to a more reknowned game that that, Colin McRae rally. Let's get to where we start to talk about realisim in the game, Forza motorsport, Gran Turismo 4, countless other sims on the PC ect ect, yadda yadda. none of thoes games mentioned can be contemplated as being the most relistic racing game out there, yet at some point or another, all have been endorsed in some way by well known race car drivers. What does that tell you, you've got games in that list from the shockingly bad (TMR) to the good but still not there, (GT4, EPR). Explain that to me. Go on.
 
Great attitude there live4speed... :yuck:
Tommi Makkinen Rally??? This is a Race thread.

http://www.topgear.com/content/features/stories/2006/12/stories/14/1.html

From top gear: (incase they move the link)
It's one of those fundamental questions that has plagued humanity since the dawn of time. Well, since the dawn of the Playstation, anyhow.

Just because you're handy at racing computer games, does that mean you'll be any good on the track?

A simple question, but one that's darndedly difficult to answer. But, scientific entrepreneurs that we are, we decided to find out once and for all.

First, we needed a seriously realistic game. And they don't come much more realistic than Race, the new PC game based on the 2006 WTCC. The Brands Hatch circuit is modelled to an accuracy of less than 1cm, and the game designers measured the grip coefficient of every inch of the track.

It's so realistic that, during the 2006 season, WTC drivers were learning tracks on the game and then setting almost identical lap times out on the circuit. It's that good.

Second, we needed one of the cars from the game. Perhaps unwisely, the kind souls at Seat Racing agreed to lend us their £200,000 Leon touring car for the day. With 270bhp on tap, a stripped-down dash, LCD screen and banks of switches, it's a proper racer. And scary.

Finally, we needed a guinea pig. A man happy to spend countless hours in front of the computer in pursuit of the perfect virtual lap. It was a tough gig, but we reckoned our man Bill Thomas was up to it.

Oh, and just so Bill couldn't blame it on the car, we enlisted the help of Jason Plato to demonstrate what the real Leon could do.

Jason is a former British Touring Car champion and widely acknowledged as one of the quickest touring car drivers in the world. He's also a works Seat driver, so he's on pretty good terms with the Leon. If anyone could show Bill what the Leon is capable of, Jason was the man.

So it came to pass that on a cold, crisp winter morning at Brands Hatch, Bill Thomas - computer racing driver extraordinaire - strapped himself into a snarling lump of race-tuned metal, massaged his aching thumbs and set off.

Would all the hours of virtual practice pay off? Would Bill beat his computer lap? And, most importantly, would Bill total a very expensive touring car and send Top Gear into bankruptcy?

You'll have to watch the video to find out.

http://www.topgear.com/content/timetoburn/sections/videos/30/chooseconnection.html
 
Great attitude there live4speed... :yuck:
Tommi Makkinen Rally??? This is a Race thread.
Well you haven't answered my point? Are you conceeding that my point is valid, or are you going to say that because Tommi Makkinen rally was endorsed it must have been a fantastically realistic game?

It's so realistic that, during the 2006 season, WTC drivers were learning tracks on the game and then setting almost identical lap times out on the circuit. It's that good.
Do you have any idea how many games that line has been used for? Almost identical lap times means squat as well, GT4 got some pretty damn close to real life lap times at the Ring, which is a massive track, but you'd be a fool if you said that means the game must be almost flawless physics wise. What comments like these often mean, but never say, is that the driver use these games, and it's not just Race, but they use them to get general feel for the track layouts. Which is actually not one of race's strong points either, I've seen their Brands hatch model and it is miles away from the real thing. But you can still get an idea of the general track layout still.

So once again, Gran Turismo 4, it achieved strickigly similar lap times to the treal cars on a much, much longer track than any in race, so if the lap times mean the game is realistic, how can race be so super realistic when GT4 has nailed that one better? The fact is, track times can be doctored, if the cars not quite as fast in the game as the real life cars, but the track in the games a bit shorter than the real life track, guess what might happen.

An analogy I've seen an used discussing lap times in relation to a games realism is to take two cars, two very different cars, let's say the BMW E60 M5, and the Ford GT. Two vastly different cars. Take then to the Nordschleife and they both have record lap times of 7'52. Now let's say you make a game with thoes two cars in, but you screw up the physics, the M5 in the game ends up driving like the Ford GT. Now if you race that car round a perfectly moddeled Nordschleife you will still achieve a 7'52 lap time, but are the physics accurate. Absolutely not. What happens is they can code the phyics for the car, model the track, and then drive the car around the track, if they find the cars falling a little short of the real lap times, they can mes with the cars gears in the game so that it will accelerate a bit faster, or have a slightly higher top speed. Or they can give it a slight boost in the power band ect. They can manipulate these things to match real life times. And you know what, they often do, becasue not much sounds better to the kid that doesn't know any better than if you can drive that car on that track that fast, your better than Nigel Mansell.

You can argue about the game using real world telemetry and blah blah, and yep, it does, but guess what. Games have been doing that since the 90's. The early 90's.

Have you ever driven a car, in real life? Have you ever played Live For Speed (incidentally, my user name has nothing to do with that game)? If the answer is no to just one of them I have to ask, how the hell do you know what is more realistic than what? Because so far all you've done is taken marketing slants as facts. You posted a pretty damn flattering review of the game there, but I can post one that says the exact opposite. In fact, I can post a review that thinks the only decent thing about the game is one track, snd that it's fun to race on that particular track. And they aknowledge that physics wise, the game is a mile and a half away from sims like GTR, which itself is not the most realistic sim out there.
 
Speaking of a WTCC mod being done for a better game, I just downloaded one for RFactor today, it is ace, and it's free if your already have RFactor. I'll be racing thoes WTCC cars at the ring tomorrow me thinks.

Been away for two weeks, is there now a WTCC mod, all I know of is the ETCC
 
No I was talking about the ETCC mod, I just got my E's and W's crossed ;).
 
there probably will be a "wtcc" mod in a while, thx to a few L337 haxors. :p

just like there's a FIA gt mod now.
 
I agree, it's much better than having to switch one game off then boot the other up. Also it's nice to be able to use thoes cars on tracks people haven't modded for GTR2, that won't work in the game like the Alpine mountains track ect. I can understand someone arguing over the legality of it all if someone was to download RFX and didn't own GTR2, but if you already own GTR2 your just downloading content you've already got and paid for, albeit in a format that works in RFactor.
 
OOOOOOOOOoooooooooooooooOOOOOOOOOOOooooooooooo:D:D

Edit: Downloading now, 33% downloaded.
 
Same....I mean seriously wtf...i can play the demo fine..steam is such a load of ****.
 
I never tried the regular demo. Steam isn't too bad of a program except for the few times like this. Figures they do the free weekend now when I won't have my new hardware setup for prolly a week(need a dvi cable for new vid card).
 
It's really annoying, this is a game I want to try out. But whenever I get to installing the demo it just stops working when it gets to the directx bit.

What Viper said might make sense as I have a GeForce card, but it's an FX5600....

Any ideas?
 
Maybe redownload it. I read on the another forum site that someone had that error so they went and redownloaded it. After that they didn't have that problem again.
 
I got a 7300gs and bought race now! And I have to say I love it! I havnt had a chance to play it with a wheel yet but it wont be long, so far though I am enjoying it.
 
I hope they do another free weekend of this game. I wanted to try it last time but I was on my old video card(GF4 Ti4600) and it wouldn't let me play because the vid card wasn't good enough/wasn't a DX9 card.
 
Bought this game when it came out after having played the demo and then put it aside for other games. Years later (today) I got a Driving Force Pro wheel and picked RACE up again. Not sure what all the critisism is about here, I find it's an awsome game! Yes the pitguys seems to not care if you won or not and there might be some other game even better out there and SimBin might have released the same type of game before this one but this is the only PC racer I own and I think it rocks :)

Anyway, there is one thing that doesn't rock so much and that is that every time I watch a replay, I resume the racing with no HUD...

Any ideas to help this problem out?
 
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