Racing etiquette

[Beerz]

Is the slipstreaming really realistic though? I think its a bit too exaggerative.

It's way too much, really.
No car slipstreams at about 100m from the one preceding it. Usually, it only starts working (ever so slightly) some 20/30m away, and gets its max strength at about10/15m away.

The way its depicted in the game, you can slipstreaming the car in front even if you made a bad corner exit, as the game will 'pull you' effortless....

 

[BB-ANDY-]

Course it is, they have made a mistake, capitalise on it.

 

[Biggles]

Course it is, they have made a mistake, capitalise on it.

Look, my question was : is it acceptable for the lead car to jiggle all over the place in order to avoid providing a draft - I'm not talking about the occasional change in position, I'm talking about swerving all over the place. Last night a Subaru driver - Mars Z - did this constantly, making passing impossible (actually he went beyond this & blocked & bumped any car trying to overtake him, effectively ruining the race for everyone).

 

[Zetec-ss]

here's another question i asked in chat but no one knew
i'll write it as an example..

i'm coming up to 130r, someone tries to overtake, i move to the left. i know the rules are you are allowed to block once. anyone on the next straight after the chicane, can i block again?

is the rule you can only block once? or once per racer? once per lap?

 

[Flagmo-T]

Biggles It's not acceptable, I do agree, he is just an asX, for doing it, a bad looser, maybe he did win the race, but the others in the race, doesn't have too think so..

I don't..

people that acttually do this kind of driving it, must be very young, or with out any respect, for others and the game it self..

Things will be more easy, when PD give us the opportunity to create servers our selfs, and GTP, then it's gonna be a suicide to act like that.. ( Hopefully )

Flagmo-T

 

[Ardius]

Look, my question was : is it acceptable for the lead car to jiggle all over the place in order to avoid providing a draft - I'm not talking about the occasional change in position, I'm talking about swerving all over the place. Last night a Subaru driver - Mars Z - did this constantly, making passing impossible (actually he went beyond this & blocked & bumped any car trying to overtake him, effectively ruining the race for everyone).

I think he was replying to your OP........

here's another question i asked in chat but no one knew
i'll write it as an example..

i'm coming up to 130r, someone tries to overtake, i move to the left. i know the rules are you are allowed to block once. anyone on the next straight after the chicane, can i block again?

is the rule you can only block once? or once per racer? once per lap?

The one block rule applies only to straights, its to prevent drivers from weaving all over the track and causing avoidable accidents, for example, here is Damon Hill not complying with that rule and you see what happens:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qfDdqvhBIEw

Blocking is a key part of competitive racing, as long as its not over-done and you're causing more incidents. There are occasions when its best to forfeit the place though, but thats up to your judgement really. 130R and Degner are prime examples of where its best to drop places sometimes in order to take a clean line without incident.

 

[Biggles]

I think he was replying to your OP........

I see that's possible - it's hard to tell - could apply to either issue...

The thing is, because the drafting is so extreme in GT5P, it provides a powerful reason to try & disrupt it. I've noticed that over the last few days drivers are more actively trying to avoid the drafting effect. Myself, I will move once - not to block, but to minimize the drafting - after that I just accept that I WILL be overtaken & get ready to draft the overtaking car when I get the next opportunity. I think it's most relevant at Suzuka where you ideally want to be in 2ND place as you come out of Spoon, so that you can draft the leading car & overtake on the back straight - it's kind of like one of those bicycle sprint races where the guy in second place generally has the advantage going into the last lap.

 

[JPS]

i think also if you go off the track have the decency to position yourself so when you look in the mirrors, you can see if the track is clear, too many drivers go off and then come back on at a 90 degree angle to the track...wham bang cheers mate

 

[Ardius]

I see that's possible - it's hard to tell - could apply to either issue...

The thing is, because the drafting is so extreme in GT5P, it provides a powerful reason to try & disrupt it. I've noticed that over the last few days drivers are more actively trying to avoid the drafting effect. Myself, I will move once - not to block, but to minimize the drafting - after that I just accept that I WILL be overtaken & get ready to draft the overtaking car when I get the next opportunity. I think it's most relevant at Suzuka where you ideally want to be in 2ND place as you come out of Spoon, so that you can draft the leading car & overtake on the back straight - it's kind of like one of those bicycle sprint races where the guy in second place generally has the advantage going into the last lap.

Hmm, I personally hate overtaking before 130R, horrible corner to judge right if youve just slipstreamed to a higher speed. I prefer getting a good exit speed on 130R then getting into either the inside and taking the inside of Casio 1 or getting to the outside and trying to go around the outside to inside of Casio 1. Depending on what happens and what the other driver does, its best to go for the outside line and then be able to take advantage of the inside of Casio 2 and block cleanly. Although you can sometimes block cleanly on Casio 1 it hardly works because you need the understanding of the other driver not to hit you.

i think also if you go off the track have the decency to position yourself so when you look in the mirrors, you can see if the track is clear, too many drivers go off and then come back on at a 90 degree angle to the track...wham bang cheers mate

I hate people who can't just wait that extra 10 seconds at the side of the track. It also annoying because they sometimes take offense at being hit and try ramming you as some kind of revenge.
However, in some places like the exit of Degner, its best for you to go back onto the track but move to the other side as quickly as possible, because lots of people go wide onto the grass there and its a narrow run off, meaning anyone waiting that side of the track will actually be even more in the way.

 

[ensiferum]

yah i agree completely

 

[homeforsummer]

The one block rule applies only to straights, its to prevent drivers from weaving all over the track and causing avoidable accidents, for example, here is Damon Hill not complying with that rule and you see what happens:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qfDdqvhBIEw

I didn't think Hill's movement there was too bad, I've seen much worse from drivers. It probably wouldn't be accepted now as a legal move but it wasn't too wild, and in fact when they both pulled to the outside of the circuit Hill seemed to move earlier than Schuey, suggesting he was just re-joining the racing line. The little jink at the end was maybe a bit naughty but drivers still do that today.

I'd say on GT5P there's nothing wrong with trying to break the tow, but only at a distance. On the straight running up to 130R at Suzuka I often move from one side of the track to the other, never too violently, but it keeps people a little further behind before we get to the turn and dissuades people from trying to overtake in a bit of a dodgy place if they aren't close enough. Once people get too close though I keep to my line, and if they look like they're going to make a move in a stupid place (Degner, 130R) I usually back off so I don't get run off the road.

 

[Ardius]

^Yeah, it wasn't meant to be an example of the worst that can happen, just an example of someone abusing the one block only rule and it also shows what potentially can happen because of it, (and it shows how much the person doing it looks like a complete arse).

 

[homeforsummer]

True, I'd actually forgotten about that race and it's surprising to see someone like Hill doing it. Though to be fair Schumi had done much worse to him in the past In 1994 he certainly made his "one move" count!

 

[Ardius]

True, I'd actually forgotten about that race and it's surprising to see someone like Hill doing it. Though to be fair Schumi had done much worse to him in the past In 1994 he certainly made his "one move" count!

Yeah, Hill was tired and bitter at that time, remember his constant whining? I liked Hill before and after 1998-99 but during that time he was just as annoying as Mansell was.
It was indeed fair enough after 1994, even Schumacher fans have trouble defending that one.

It almost makes me want Raikkonen and Hamilton to actually get angry once in a while, it adds so much more to the championship when you've got drivers taking revenge out against each other, lol. Though I suppose we did see a bit of that last year with the whole Alonso/Hamilton thing. Ah well. Off topic.

F1 is always one of the best places to find racing etiquette examples.

 

[Biggles]

I'd say on GT5P there's nothing wrong with trying to break the tow, but only at a distance

You have to understand, this guy was jiggling all over the track down the entire straight.

Worse than that was he continued to move all over the place when anyone tried to pass him - we're not talking about one move to block, or even two (like Damon Hill) - we're talking about repeated blocking. This is clearly illegal - so I'm not really talking about that. I'm more concerned about the "draft-jiggling", because that's not "illegal" (no-one would need to do that IRL), but just seems uncool, & believe me, if everyone ends up doing it, the races are going to look truly ridiculous!