Racing Softs looked down upon?

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starboob
I apologise in advance for my ignorance.

I had taken a very long hiatus from this game, while I delved deeper into PC gaming. I began playing and using this website again last week

I've notice that, while I was absent, a apparent serious dislike for racing soft tires had developed. When I stopped playing in June, yes they were looked down upon by some people, but they served their purpose in hotlaps and endurance races alike. But now, them seem to completely taboo.

I'm sorry if I've interpreted this wrong, but anyone care to explain what I missed?

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Even tho I don't use them alot, I really don't see the issue with them either. I could care less what tires other people use unless there is a tire specific race ot TT that I'm involved in. I guess people look down upon them because of their superior grip and something only used by noobs. Kinda like an extra driving aid I guess. Like I said, if its not affecting me, I could care less.
 
They manage to pull the worst of handling characteristics out of nearly all cars, especially street. Every corner feel's like you're just hanging on to the tyres, and not trying to maintain the cars balance or momentum. I just find them no fun compared to Sports soft downwards.
 
GODfreyGT5
They manage to pull the worst of handling characteristics out of nearly all cars, especially street. Every corner feel's like you're just hanging on to the tyres, and not trying to maintain the cars balance or momentum. I just find them no fun compared to Sports soft downwards.
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Well put, totally agree with this! Though the racing softs are the most "competitive" due to that "fun-deminishing" characteristic.
 
I use them for endurance races sometimes or for grinding, but Sports/comfort are the most fun, and gaming is all about enjoyment for me.
 
I've never understood the sheer hatred of these tyres, if you're racing you should use the best equipment available to you. They don't always give you handling "like being on rails", as some people claim, just try then on a yellowbird, or a powerful MR car and you can still spin them out with ease.
I would say though that none of the tyre choices in the game have a good representation of my personal experience of actual road tyres, my modified Corsa will definitely not wheelspin through several gears on the road tyres I have on it, unlike any of the so-called 'realistic' comfort tyres in the game.
 
Smuttysy
I've never understood the sheer hatred of these tyres, if you're racing you should use the best equipment available to you. They don't always give you handling "like being on rails", as some people claim, just try then on a yellowbird, or a powerful MR car and you can still spin them out with ease.
I would say though that none of the tyre choices in the game have a good representation of my personal experience of actual road tyres, my modified Corsa will definitely not wheelspin through several gears on the road tyres I have on it, unlike any of the so-called 'realistic' comfort tyres in the game.
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Well, none of the tyre imitation substances are realistic.
I guess why some people don't like RS is because they like to drive on the edge. It's really simple, once you're good at driving on racing tyres then you need a new challenge, so you move down to sports tyres. Without a challenge, no game is fun. It doesn't have to be a war where people fight over which tyres are the best, you can actually chose yourself which tyres suits you the best and what kind of gameplay you want.
 
Last I checked online lobbies were still 99.9% racing soft, excluding drift rooms. So there are still plenty of people out there who don't "look down on them" and somehow manage to enjoy using them. Many people who enjoy feeling and controlling the car's balance never liked them and still don't. I don't think much has changed except perhaps the population of active GTP users.
 
I'm just against putting racing slicks on street cars. You basically delete the handling characteristics by doing so.
 
I like driving with comfort tyres or the given standard tyres, together with others. And I don't mind if some people drive with racing softs, (as I agree; drive with what you enjoy). Although it's quite boring and annoying if literally almost everyone else uses racing softs, leaves no-one else to drive with.
 
It's about the experience that you're looking for.


Sports tires will value a better tuning setup over a better driver, every day of the week. <=== Spec series should use Sports tires. Then, it's still all about the drivers.


Race cars should use racing tires.


Touring cars is a choice.


Drifters and < 240 hp street cars should use comfort tires.
 
They make the game unrealistic for me. None of the 400 cars or so in my garage have them equipped. All are Racing Hard and below with a majority of that in the Sports category.
 
I can't speak for anyone but myself, but I prefer to keep my street cars street legal. I hence abstain from using any racing tyres, regardless of their rating. Heck, I find that the Sports Mediums on my RX-7 wear out too fast. One and a half lap of the Nordschleife and they start to gain noticeable wear. And I'm horrible at dealing with grip loss halfway through a race. I'm only used to driving my car all out.

Another reason why I dislike racing tyres is because I'm pretty damn near maxing out my spring rate settings even on Sports Medium tyres. Higher grip tyres mean you need stiffer springs, and that's simply not possible for me even with the "Fully Customisable" suspension. I'm running 13.x kgf/mm and I think it maxes out somewhere at 16. I doubt I can make the car handle if I gave it Racing tyres.
 
I don't think anyone cares what tires anyone else uses. It's the fact that since most lobbies use RS tires, so it forces other players, who want to drive on lesser tires, to throw on racing softs in order to stay competitive.
 
generationlost
I don't think anyone cares what tires anyone else uses. It's the fact that since most lobbies use RS tires, so it forces other players, who want to drive on lesser tires, to throw on racing softs in order to stay competitive.
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Or just avoid public lobbies, like I do. I'd rather time trial by myself for a couple hours than race in a public lobby on RS tires.
 
I don`t think there`s any organized disdain of racing soft tires, I see ppl on them all the time on the X-Track. You can recognize them when they`re spinning out on the last turn, second lap.
 
First, it feels taboo to put RS on anything other than F1, LeMans, Group C. (1000hp, 1000kg, MR)

Second, they make the cars handle even more unrealistic than normal.

I currently only use RS on x2010, FGT, and the F2007, F10.
 
I have begun putting racing softs on my project cars in response to everyone else's tuned cars in lobbies having racing softs, and I have found an excellent setup for my tuner cars that feels good.. Only those max tuned cars and my race cars get racing softs, my stock cars don't.
 
Because people have delusions of grandeur about their racing ability

they think handicapping themselves, with things like no ABS, and racing hards (or less) makes them better at the game

When in reality, all they are doing is making their car slower. They aren't edgy nor do they have any right to condescend to people using RS tires.
 
I don't disagree that everyone has their choices and all, but I find them really boring and also unrealistic and as a result not very fitting with a more sim based game, especially on road cars. Trust me, Comfort or Sports Tires offer a far more enjoyable experience and make the game a lot more fun, which is one of the fairly common complaints about GT5 on here...
 
seanneedscar
Because people have delusions of grandeur about their racing ability

they think handicapping themselves, with things like no ABS, and racing hards (or less) makes them better at the game

When in reality, all they are doing is making their car slower. They aren't edgy nor do they have any right to condescend to people using RS tires.
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I'm not sure if too many people think they're "better" for not using them, it just makes its a bit more fun without them! I find you can get a 'raw' feel for the car without them (including using Racing Softs) and gives each car it's individual characteristics you won't find with them on. Having them on makes the cars feel too similar and boring.

As for tires, I don't worry about what others use, as long as everyone's using the same tires! I personally stick to 'hards', I feel they give me the right amount of slip as I like my cars a bit loose. I rarely venture into Racing Tires though, I usually stick to low PP (500PP -) and never find the need for them.
 
seanneedscar
Because people have delusions of grandeur about their racing ability

they think handicapping themselves, with things like no ABS, and racing hards (or less) makes them better at the game

When in reality, all they are doing is making their car slower. They aren't edgy nor do they have any right to condescend to people using RS tires.
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I hate ignorance, you sound like everyone that doesn't use RS and no aids is like that, perhaps that's not the case. About delusions of grandeur, there are people like that on both sides.
It's not all about being better, and certainly not about being faster! It's about fun and yes, keeping the car in control on the edge (as a fun aspect).
Besides speed, a car is all about grip, all of the aids and the tires influence just that!
 
seanneedscar
Because people have delusions of grandeur about their racing ability

they think handicapping themselves, with things like no ABS, and racing hards (or less) makes them better at the game
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That's because it takes a lot more skill keeping an MR 600pp car on the tarmac that's on Sports Hards than it does on Racing Softs. Racing Softs also totally decimate a car's character, it's flaws and advantages, and bands people and different cars together. It doesn't matter if you're driving an FF, FR, MR or 4WD on RS tyres, they will all have a very similar performance. This would not work on sensible, far more realistic tyres.

In my opinion, this is supposed to be a simulator that, crazy as it sounds, tries to simulate real life. Most cars in real life grip at the same levels that the Comfort and Sports tyre range does in this game, and that is the only way of feeling the cars as near as possible to what they do in real life. Racing Softs completely eliminate all of this and turn GT5 into nothing more than an average arcade game. That is not what this game was intended for.

If you disagree with any of this, feel free to search the forums on detailed experiements that have been carried out, where in game tyres from various types of cars have been compared to their real life counter parts.

With RS tyres, there's little need to counter steer, feather the throttle or the brakes or be smooth. You can just mash the controls and still be fine.
 
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Lewis_Hamilton_
That's because it takes a lot more skill keeping an MR 600pp car on the tarmac that's on Sports Hards than it does on Racing Softs. Racing Softs also totally decimate a car's character, it's flaws and advantages, and bands people and different cars together. It doesn't matter if you're driving an FF, FR, MR or 4WD on RS tyres, they will all have a very similar performance. This would not work on sensible, far more realistic tyres.

In my opinion, this is supposed to be a simulator that, crazy as it sounds, tries to simulate real life. Most cars in real life grip at the same levels that the Comfort and Sports tyre range does in this game, and that is the only way of feeling the cars as near as possible to what they do in real life. Racing Softs completely eliminate all of this and turn GT5 into nothing more than an average arcade game. That is not what this game was intended for.

If you disagree with any of this, feel free to search the forums on detailed experiements that have been carried out, where in game tyres from various types of cars have been compared to their real life counter parts.

With RS tyres, there's little need to counter steer, feather the throttle or the brakes or be smooth. You can just mash the controls and still be fine.
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Average?

It turns it into a fantastic arcade game!
 
seanneedscar
Because people have delusions of grandeur about their racing ability

they think handicapping themselves, with things like no ABS, and racing hards (or less) makes them better at the game

When in reality, all they are doing is making their car slower. They aren't edgy nor do they have any right to condescend to people using RS tires.
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Bitch please. I out brake 75% of the GT5 Server without using ABS. **** outta here.
 
Lewis_Hamilton_
That's because it takes a lot more skill keeping an MR 600pp car on the tarmac that's on Sports Hards than it does on Racing Softs. Racing Softs also totally decimate a car's character, it's flaws and advantages, and bands people and different cars together. It doesn't matter if you're driving an FF, FR, MR or 4WD on RS tyres, they will all have a very similar performance. This would not work on sensible, far more realistic tyres.

In my opinion, this is supposed to be a simulator that, crazy as it sounds, tries to simulate real life. Most cars in real life grip at the same levels that the Comfort and Sports tyre range does in this game, and that is the only way of feeling the cars as near as possible to what they do in real life. Racing Softs completely eliminate all of this and turn GT5 into nothing more than an average arcade game. That is not what this game was intended for.

If you disagree with any of this, feel free to search the forums on detailed experiements that have been carried out, where in game tyres from various types of cars have been compared to their real life counter parts.

With RS tyres, there's little need to counter steer, feather the throttle or the brakes or be smooth. You can just mash the controls and still be fine.
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+1 on everything he said.
 

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