Range Rover: Stop making its rear fly!

[///M3]

Could be a little trail braking caused his roll over, as opposed to flipping end over end.

I agree, there is a lot of problems at the extreme ends of the physics modelling I'm the game.

Trail braking in to a curb/extreme seems to react the same as fully launching off of a curb it's an issue with the way the physics are set to work.

 

[///M3]

Racing cars with huge downforce, the latest compound tyres still roll and flip over. All these do is extend the envelope, they don't remove it. Physics 101. Momentum, inertia and center of gravity.

 

[JMR450]

As I read it, the op was saying the car dives heavily. The picture shows a car rolling laterally and not end over end.

Irrespective, you cannot turn a range rover or any 4wd SUV in the game in to a bowler wildcat, pajero Dakar/rally car.

You could mimick the settings used on the pajero on to the rangie, but I don't think it would be enough to eradicate all of the characteristics that they (rangie) exhibit.

The OP stated "until whenever I brake, its rear flies forward, lifting the rest of the SUV with it! Lifting the SUV would indicate to me end over end which is a gameplay issue not a vehicle issue and it has nothing to do with Range Rovers in real life.

In reference to your comment on racing a Land Rover, you are wrong. Off Road race vehicles in stock classes are no different than the street counterparts. Modified off road racing trucks benefit from better wheel travel and better weight distribution, but i'ts moot in this context because GT6 does not replicate off road racing.

 

[MonSpaNur]

There is a reason that street tires for SUVs are built with a lower traction threshold than car tires. It's so that the tires will give up and slide before the SUV flips over. I've heard of gokarts flipping over just from sticky tires and you're not gonna find much of anything with a lower center of gravity than a kart. Putting equally sticky tires on an SUV and taking that car at full speed through a highway offramp, will put that vehicle on its roof.

If you don't agree, that's fine and we can agree to disagree. I would guesstimate though that you've never driven a truck in real life very aggressively though, because I've come close to putting a truck on its roof even without slick tires.

I simply have a different opinion that you based on my real life experiences.

A little clarification is needed here.
I assumed that flip over means flip end over end.
Flip side over side i through as defined as a rollover.
I`m Portuguese and sometimes that plays against me in the fine details.

My comment as based in that definition and i stand by my word, you are totally wrong, a SUV with F1 tyres would never flip over (end over end) without be modified for the effect.
And i`m based in my real life experience also (racing life, 20 years of it), the SUV would flip side over side, even if you try hard to make it flip end over end.

 

[iamsupernasty]

A little clarification is needed here.
I assumed that flip over means flip end over end.
Flip side over side i through as defined as a rollover.
I`m Portuguese and sometimes that plays against me in the fine details.

My comment as based in that definition and i stand by my word, you are totally wrong, a SUV with F1 tyres would never flip over (end over end) without be modified for the effect.
And i`m based in my real life experience also (racing life, 20 years of it), the SUV would flip side over side, even if you try hard to make it flip end over end.

Then we agree. Simple misunderstanding

 

[psavi]

Because I and other members understand the general principles of physics.

You also claimed that it would flip so again the physics working for that please, don't forget to include the tyre temp, track temp, suspension geometry, track adhesion , tyre adhesion, weight distribution, braking force and air density in your working aswell.

Although I suspect you can work it out therefore why you are avoiding it.

A little clarification is needed here.
I assumed that flip over means flip end over end.
Flip side over side i through as defined as a rollover.
I`m Portuguese and sometimes that plays against me in the fine details.

My comment as based in that definition and i stand by my word, you are totally wrong, a SUV with F1 tyres would never flip over (end over end) without be modified for the effect.
And i`m based in my real life experience also (racing life, 20 years of it), the SUV would flip side over side, even if you try hard to make it flip end over end.

I don't know about a flip over, but suspect that an Evoque with good enough front brakes and tires with grip equivalent to F1 tires could at least do a stoppie.

On this post, I do the math for a Fiat 500 with ballast on the front, but I can make it for the Evoque if you want.

https://www.gtplanet.net/forum/thre...happened-here-then.302840/page-4#post-9342492

 

[MonSpaNur]

...an Evoque with good enough front brakes...

...need to drastically modify the SUV...

Not only the brakes, but also the chassis and suspensions... at least...

...tires with grip equivalent to F1 tires...

If you find then...
Anyway, F1 tires, by lack of grip, would not make any unmodified car to flip end over end.
An unmodified car cannot generate the heat necessary to trigger the chemical bonding, their main source of grip.

On this post, I do the math for a Fiat 500 with ballast on the front

https://www.gtplanet.net/forum/thre...happened-here-then.302840/page-4#post-9342492

Try with a stock Fiat, i`m sure you can not flip it end over end, even without the steering kick that would make you lose control and flip side over side in real life.

 

[Wide Boy]

Its simple weight transfer allowed by soft suspension means its possible if the tyres can generate enough grip.

Never seen a Range Rover do it but I did see a Vauxhall Carlton (I think GM car for sure) come very close in RL, I was following it.

Speed about 120mph straight road, they emergency braked & locked the rears, probably doing about 70-80ish when the back end of the car came round about 10 degrees, you were willing them to come off the brakes. Car just took off end over end & I would say accelerated when it did so quite dramatically.
It flipped once took off again & flew clean over the cars we were avoiding probably 15' or so in the air & quite some distance before landing flipping onto its side & doing about 4 rolls that way.

The road was slightly undulating which probably was why they locked up, my tyres squealed a couple of times as you came off the top of the crests. There was loads of space to stop I rolled up to the original accident like you would traffic lights after breaking to hard because I was avoiding them.
Remember this well cause the old slow mo kicks in when things look dodgy.

 

[Jayson619]

As I read it, the op was saying the car dives heavily. The picture shows a car rolling laterally and not end over end.

Irrespective, you cannot turn a range rover or any 4wd SUV in the game in to a bowler wildcat, pajero Dakar/rally car.

You could mimick the settings used on the pajero on to the rangie, but I don't think it would be enough to eradicate all of the characteristics that they (rangie) exhibit.

Apologies to all; it was a badly taken shot.

To describe the pic, it was taken at the Nurburgring. The flip happened near the Flugplaz after the jump. I braked and then the rear of the Rover lifted over and nose-slide for a bit before tumbling over like mad.