Real Guns

[a6m5]

Is that thing made up of paracord?

All but a short portion.

 

[David]

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[a6m5]

*Cody Lundin voice* In a survival situation, you literally have million uses for cordage like that.



If I ever build a survival rifle, that sling is a MUST!

 

[Eric.]

So I'm probably just a wuss, but is it sort of normal for an AR15 to leave some red marks on your shoulder? I know the recoil is pretty minimal but I've also been practicing holding it tightly to my shoulder. What I've read is that you should be able to rest your nose on the charging handle and it not hurt your nose when you fire. Wearing only a T shirt and firing 62gr M855. Just lots of small red marks in the area.

 

[a6m5]

Some guys I know are that way(white ). One of them actually act like he was shot every time he shoot his Benelli.

Sometimes I can feel it in my shoulder after firing my shotgun(870) or rifle(Bushmaster 308), but I have recoil reduction accessory on both, so my shoulder never really get sore-sore, or leave any mark. I don't think I've ever fired a .223, come to think of it.....

 

[Michael88]

So I'm probably just a wuss, but is it sort of normal for an AR15 to leave some red marks on your shoulder? I know the recoil is pretty minimal but I've also been practicing holding it tightly to my shoulder. What I've read is that you should be able to rest your nose on the charging handle and it not hurt your nose when you fire. Wearing only a T shirt and firing 62gr M855. Just lots of small red marks in the area.

DYEL?

 

[a6m5]

At first I was feeling so lame, because I had to look up another texting acronym, then I was like WTF?

 

[Brett]

I had to look the acronym up also, but as I was looking it up, I realized what it was as I was hitting the enter button for the search.

 

[a6m5]

I thought maybe it was another disaster acronym that was trying to kill his PS3.

 

[David]

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[Zenith]

So I'm probably just a wuss, but is it sort of normal for an AR15 to leave some red marks on your shoulder? I know the recoil is pretty minimal but I've also been practicing holding it tightly to my shoulder. What I've read is that you should be able to rest your nose on the charging handle and it not hurt your nose when you fire. Wearing only a T shirt and firing 62gr M855. Just lots of small red marks in the area.

Where your head should lie depends how collapsed your stock is.

This guy is using a slightly longer grip. I keep my head probably about the same distance away as he is.

As far as pulling the gun in, it should be snug against your shoulder, but you shouldn't be pulling it in super tight.

I would guess that the red marks are pretty normal, I haven't noticed. It depends how many rounds you're firing in a day.

 

[Eric.]

DYEL?

If you saw me you wouldn't even ask that question...haha.

Anyway, targets from yesterday. I was firing three shots then adjusting. I'll just post a few.

First shots were grouping great. I may have gotten sloppy later. All above were Federal 62gr green tip 5.56 (M855). Rested the front grip on a bag. Full 30rd magazine.

This one was 20rd of Independence 55gr 5.56 (M193)(Federal rebranded stuff from IMI) fired using the bag but 1-2 seconds between shots, all 20 at once just to see how the ammo compared and to end the day since it was starting to become a downpour.

 

[Michael88]

I would guess that the red marks are pretty normal, I haven't noticed. It depends how many rounds you're firing in a day.

I disagree, I can shoot rally heavy magnum caliber rifles with metal butt plates without getting any marks or pain on my shoulder, same with my friends. The only time I got a red mark on my shoulder was when I fired big calibers and didn't notice that the sneaky zipper of my shirt got between the buttstock and my shoulder. Created a nasty bruise on my collar bone.

Maybe its a zipper, a shirt button or a screw sticking out of the butt stock that bruises you shoulder.

Or the lack of shoulder muscles causes you to place the butt stock on a bone sticking out, even with light calibers you're going to get bruises if the butt plate is sitting on a small bone like the collar bone. This effect can also be caused by chicken-winging the rifle.

 

[a6m5]

I'm thinking it depends on the degree of how bad this "red mark" is. Some people bruise easier than others, too.

I totally get Michael's sentiments though. I'd be shocked if AR chambered in .223/5.56 leave a mark on the shoulder every time you go plinking. Maybe with bad form, maybe by shooting for hours or something, but I'd be surprised.

 

[Michael88]

Today a friend showed me his WWI German Gewehr 98 from 1917. It has dings and dents, some little rust spots, battle marks but it has aged very well so to speak. Whats really interesting about this rifle is it oozes history, it has fought in the trenches, most likely encountered poison gas raids and was used to take the lives of the shooters enemies. A true warriors weapon.
The difference between such a rifle and an off-the-shelf rifle is so dramatic its very easy to lose the interest in commercial guns once you have handled and shot such historic piece. As cool as modern guns may be, they have no soul and are boring in comparison.

 

[a6m5]

Been there, done that...... FOR REAL - factor.

 

[Zenith]

Final thing on red marks on your shoulder: I have no idea, I honestly think a dermatologist would be better cut out for this conversation than any of us.

I've noticed that most German bolt actions have the most buttery actions of any bolt gun. They are such a joy to cycle. Now if only the 8mm Mauser in the safe would stop bruising anybody under 130lbs that tries to fire it...

 

[Michael88]

I've noticed that most German bolt actions have the most buttery actions of any bolt gun. They are such a joy to cycle. Now if only the 8mm Mauser in the safe would stop bruising anybody under 130lbs that tries to fire it...

I handled and shot German made Mausers M1908, Mauser 98/29, a Gewehr 98/20, a VZ-24, a couple of K98's - all of them had excellent smooth bolt travel and were a joy to operate. Interestingly the older the rifle the smoother the bolt and the better the fit & finish was.

Anyway pic bomb!

 

[a6m5]

What kind of handgun is that? Pretty sweet. Don't say "freedom" handgun.

 

[Michael88]

What kind of handgun is that? Pretty sweet. Don't say "freedom" handgun.

Looks like a 9x18mm Liberty Handgun.



Seriously now, looks like a Makarov, but I know I'm wrong because the hammer and the rear sight looks kinda different.

 

[a6m5]

I'm looking for my shooting glasses now. I sold the original ten-round mags to my USP, got three untested twelve-round mags, so I wanted to hit the range tomorrow, test them out. I may have to take my backup glasses.

Looks like a 9x18mm Liberty Handgun.

I thought it looked like Makarov, too. Slight resemblance to PPK.

 

[Michael88]

Yeah, don't ever shoot your handgun without glasses, tempting as it may be. A friend of mine shot a faulty round (double charge, pressure approx in the 100k psi area!) in his Kimber, the overpressure blew the grips to pieces injuring his hands, is head was hit by a considerable shock wave and there was shrapnel from the exploded brass cases embedded in the skin of his face but the area where the shooting glasses protected him. I'm pretty sure the shrapnel would have hit his eyes too if it weren't for his shooting glasses.

The projectiles of the remaining rounds in the magazine were pushed into the case by the high pressure.

 

[a6m5]

Jeez. They won't even let me in at the range without eyes & ears anyway, but come to think of it, first couple of times I went to shoot in the woods, I had no protection(except in the wallet probably lol) at all. I was a total noob, and grew up believing you can go around shooting Uzi inside a building without damaging your hearing or anything.

P.S. I thought you said 100 psi. I missed the "k".

 

[Michael88]

P.S. I thought you said 100 psi. I missed the "k".

Lol, thats about the air pressure of my racing bikes tires.

I was a total noob, and grew up believing you can go around shooting Uzi inside a building without damaging your hearing or anything.

Well, there is a point where you can't damage your hearing any further, and that point can be reached very quickly. Like with shooting an Uzi inside a building without hearing protection!

 

[a6m5]

Lol, thats about the air pressure of my racing bikes tires.

I realize that. That is one, big & SCARY "K".

 

[Michael88]

I realize that. That is one, big & SCARY "K".

Yeah, the whole weight of this self propelled artillery on every square inch of the chamber.

Interestingly, some magnum rifle cartridges get up to the 65-70k psi area. Thats some serious pressure there. And those barrels hold up for thousands of rounds. Modern metallurgy is awesome.

 

[Brett]

That is a whole lot of freedom. Sweet, sweet freedom.

 

[a6m5]

👍

Modern metallurgy is awesome.

So awesome, I'd be little bit nervous. Just a little.

 

[LMSCorvetteGT2]

What kind of handgun is that? Pretty sweet. Don't say "freedom" handgun.

Every handgun is a freedom handgun and dont you forget it

 

[Michael88]

There you go, as far as I know thats the highest pressure round there is, factory loads in the 71000 PSI area - the .270 Weatherby magnum: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/.270_Weatherby_Magnum
Don't expect long brass life.