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Just because I was waiting for that balanced recoil AK. The ****ers had to blow up an airplane and get banned from import. ****. Me.
 
Omnis
Just because I was waiting for that balanced recoil AK. The ****ers had to blow up an airplane and get banned from import. ****. Me.
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You and I are in the same boat, I was planning on picking up a Vepr 308 later on this year but it looks like that won't be happening.
 
I have not seen that video, but I had read about the executive order. Fortunately, the AKs I have been lusting after are not impacted by the order.
 
If the guy will sell it, we may be picking up a fully automatic M16 that served in Vietnam. If we do, we'll probably pull the spring out of it so its semi auto only :(
 
Xavier2342
Bulgarian?
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Indeed. I want an AK from Arsenal, but I cannot decide between 5.45 and 7.62. I am leaning slightly towards 7.62, but many people seem to really like 5.45 and prefer it to the 7.62.

On a different topic, the biggest local gun store had their annual gun expo starting yesterday and going through tomorrow. I went today after leaving work hoping to shoot HK's new VP9. The HK rep did not have a VP9. I was quite disappointed in that because that is what I really wanted to shoot. However, I ended up shooting a Walther P99, Walther PPS, Smith and Wesson M&P9 CORE with Trijicon RMR, HK 45, Springfield Armory 1911 Operator, and a Christensen Arms CA-15 Recon.

The trigger on the Smith and Wesson M&P9 Core is lacking. I had read that many people were disappointed with M&P triggers and the Core was no different. It is severely lacking compared to my PPQ.

The Walther P99 is a very nice pistol. Not surprisingly, the PPQ is very similar to the P99. If I could find a P99 or P99C for a reasonable price, then I would defintely consider picking one up.

If I ever get around to getting my carry license, then I would strongly consider the Walther PPS. While the trigger is not nearly as good as my PPQ, it is still a pretty good trigger. I was able to put together a pretty nice five round group.

I really liked the HK45. The ergonomics are outstanding. The trigger is not great, but good enough and I was able to put together a nice group.

The Springfield Armory 1911 Operator is much different than anything I am acquainted with. The single action trigger was very crisp. I would really have to spend some time with a 1911 to feel comfortable carrying one.

While I am sure Christensen Arms makes a very good AR-15, I do not have enough rifle shooting experience to really comment on the rifle.
 
I've heard only good things about M&P triggers before, so I'm kinda surprised to hear the news, @Brett.

I'd imagine HK45 trigger's similar to my USP's. I'm happy with them, but I do still dig the 1911 trigger on my Kimber. I love the short travel those 1911 triggers have. I've only shot one Springfield Armory 1911, but it was really nice.

I'm was also bit surprised that you are looking at a AK. I also LOVE AKs, but with your sole long gun being Tavor, I thought your second rifle will have some range!

@Omnis At the rate your gun search is moving, I think there's a good chance the AK sanction would be over by the time you are ready to buy. :p
 
@Brett, I will admit that although I like the 5.45x39, I would recommend getting the 7.62x39 based on the simple fact that it's a round that's more readily available than the 5.45x39.
 
a6m5
I've heard only good things about M&P triggers before, so I'm kinda surprised to hear the news, @Brett.
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They're not terrible, but not great. There's definitely a good amount of room for improvement though.
 
a6m5
I've heard only good things about M&P triggers before, so I'm kinda surprised to hear the news, @Brett.
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The trigger take up was just okay. The reset was very vague and not very positive. I would likely be able to adapt to the pistol if I had one, but I would rather not buy something that is not particularly great to start with.

And this pretty well sums it up:

Crash
They're not terrible, but not great. There's definitely a good amount of room for improvement though.
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a6m5
I'm was also bit surprised that you are looking at a AK. I also LOVE AKs, but with your sole long gun being Tavor, I thought your second rifle will have some range!
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I would like something with some range, but I do not really want to spend the money on a SCAR. I guess I could look into some kind of bolt action, but I would not even know where to begin.

I want an AK because they are the very definition of the class of rifle. AKs are an absolute classic and my very small collection seems incomplete without one. :lol:

And really, I need to go shooting more often before I buy anything else. :lol:

Xavier2342
@Brett, I will admit that although I like the 5.45x39, I would recommend getting the 7.62x39 based on the simple fact that it's a round that's more readily available than the 5.45x39.
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That is one of the reasons I am leaning towards 7.62x39.
 
Brett
Indeed. I want an AK from Arsenal, but I cannot decide between 5.45 and 7.62. I am leaning slightly towards 7.62, but many people seem to really like 5.45 and prefer it to the 7.62.
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7.62 is much easier to find in my experience. And 7.62 chambered guns are easier to find parts for. If you get an AK get an older one with the milled receiver. Much more reliable and robust than their stamped counterparts.
 
I get you on everything you said there, @Brett 👍
Slash
7.62 is much easier to find in my experience. And 7.62 chambered guns are easier to find parts for. If you get an AK get an older one with the milled receiver. Much more reliable and robust than their stamped counterparts.
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Are they more reliable? I'm of the impression that milled receivers are more durable, but I haven't read anything on reliability. Don't get me wrong, I haven't really read much, and it does make sense that one is more reliable than the other. Of course, it may be a challenge to determine reliability, since they both excel in that department, stamped or milled. :D
 
Stamped ones that I have seen seem to give off a sense that's its a lower end piece. I would think the better durability would mean better reliability. Our AK has a milled reciever and even though it doesn't get much use it seems great.
 
Slash
Stamped ones that I have seen seem to give off a sense that's its a lower end piece.
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That's my understanding as well.
Slash
I would think the better durability would mean better reliability.
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Not necessarily, although I totally agree that durability should contribute to reliability.
 
Mines never been beaten heavily on so I can't really say for sure. In fact its still in the original box it came in with the styrofoam and all to my knowledge. Its been a while since I've seen it. Still shniy and everything. Looks brand new.
 
a6m5
@Omnis At the rate your gun search is moving, I think there's a good chance the AK sanction would be over by the time you are ready to buy. :p
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The search is not the rate limiting step. It's the money. The moment I have enough to warrant a firearms purchase, I suddenly have to spend it on something else.
 
Omnis
The search is not the rate limiting step. It's the money. The moment I have enough to warrant a firearms purchase, I suddenly have to spend it on something else.
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Hey, I understand. Paying 5 child support is no joking matter. j/k Seriously though, I understand. Firearms ain't cheap, and cheaper ones often have question marks attached on quality, or reliability. I
d look at used firearms, too. They are cheaper, not only in gun stores, but I also look for them in online classifieds, also via word of mouth(usually the best deal).
 
a6m5
Hey, I understand. Paying 5 child support is no joking matter. j/k Seriously though, I understand. Firearms ain't cheap, and cheaper ones often have question marks attached on quality, or reliability. I
d look at used firearms, too. They are cheaper, not only in gun stores, but I also look for them in online classifieds, also via word of mouth(usually the best deal).
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5 supplies of Similac equals a new Cadillac. :lol:

Thanks for linking that Canik. Don't they make CZ clones? For 300 bucks I'll definitely take a look!


edit: Dude, this thing looks awesome.

 
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By the way, it's pronounced Jah-nick. Sort of like a ch and a j sound mixed together.
 
It looks real nice. I hope they make name for themselves in the U.S. Love that guy's AK, too. I love polymered out black AKs.
 
The Canik TP9 looks really interesting, and just based on the Youtube videos, I like how crisp the trigger and reset seems. I'm going to keep an eye out for it the next time I go to the shooting range. I want to try it out.

Thanks all for posting the video reviews.
 
I'm not even looking for a full size 9mm, but man, those videos + the price point. :D
 
Thought some of you might like this.


Due to the age there is no standard size so I don't know the size of the ball. I have seen online that it could be between 17 and 23mm.
 
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Brings back memories of Shimazu heavy gunners. Most OP unit in any tactical battle sim ever.
 
It started out with couple of muskets, purchased from the Portuguese in 16th century. They were called Tanegashima(where purchase took place). Needless to say, they changed warfare in Japan. I've read that, before too long, there were more muskets in Japan than any other country in the world(lot of conflicts in Feudal Japan).

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Even though firearms are just about absolutely banned in Japan today, they are still very much admired by many. Too bad it's mostly in the form of airsoft. :(
 
a6m5
. I've read that, before too long, there were more muskets in Japan than any other country in the world(lot of conflicts in Feudal Japan).
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At one point Japan was the worlds leading producer of guns.
I believe the Japanese also produced a way to fire a gun without fail in the rain in around 1580. This problem was only solved by the rest of the world with 100% reliability with the metal cartridge in the 1850's.
 
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