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Discussion in 'The Rumble Strip' started by Calibretto, Nov 26, 2005.

  1. Xavier2342

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    I sold my Tisas 1911 a few months ago and I've been on the hunt for another 45ACP. The CZ 97 has been on my radar, but it'll be awhile before I purchase one due to the current cost of firearms.

    Over the past year I've grown very fond of CZ firearms. I love my Scorpion Evo 3 and wish I could get my hands on a Bren 2. I also enjoyed shooting the P07, P10C, CZ75 SP01 and Accushadow 2, all of which were borrowed from friends or range rental.

    @Michael88 I find it kind of odd that CZ's outnumber Glocks in Austria. To put it into perspective, it would be like AR's being outnumbered by AK's in the US. CZ makes some awesome firearms but everybody knows about Glock's second to none reliability. I'm always interested in learning about gun trends and the culture of firearms in other countries that allow legal firearm ownership.
     
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  2. Michael88

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    I think its because people here in Austria are more interested in super high quality match-grade pistols than rugged service pistols. Let me explain:
    The Glock is among the best service pistols there is, no doubt about that, but the shooting that is done here is mainly static events at 25 meters for precision. (We hardly even have ranges under 25 meters) That's not a specialty of the Glock, but definitely of pistols like the CZ75. (not saying the CZ75 isn't rugged)

    Also, I think our gun laws are partly responsible for this mindset as well. If we want to obtain a semi auto pistol / semi auto rifle / revolver we have to get a license. Said license allows you to own 2 of said firearms. 5 years after obtaining said license you are allowed 3 more guns of that type, for a total of 5.

    So if you are limited to just 2 of such firearms you make damn sure you really get the best of the best that can do it all, price be damned. That's why Sig Sauer, top line CZ75's or 1911's that cost 2000 bucks or more are much more popular here than the simple rugged Glock.
    Heck, that's exactly what happened to me, I started with a Glock 17, and while I LOVED it I saw the limitation of being stuck with just this single pistol. Now I am buying a more versatile pistol that suits more of my needs than the Glock. Just as reliable, more features, more quality, both service pistol AND match pistol, and yes, more expensive. (Yes, the CZ 97)

    There ARE dynamic events and service pistols events where you are perfectly fine with a Glock, but those are much rarer than simple static events. People who buy Glocks usually are people who aren't all that interested in guns and only want a rugged reliable and also not super expensive gun to defend themselves, and that's where the Glock is ideal.
     
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  3. Xavier2342

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    @Michael88 that is very interesting, thank you for taking the time to explain things.
     
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    Just bought this Remington 870 Express off a friend, 28 in barrel. It's only been shot a few times, one of which, I was with said friend having a lot of fun shooting trap.

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  5. Xavier2342

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    Congrats @Crash I think you picked the right time to purchase a shotgun. Buckshot and slugs may not be easy ro find but birdshot is plentiful :tup:.
     
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    Thanks @Xavier2342, been wanting a shotgun for a while now and had my eyes on a Mossberg 590 with an 18.5" barrel, but haven't plunked the money down for it. This came up at the right time, so I went for it even though I wasn't specifically looking for a 870. I still want to get the Mossberg, but with the current interest in guns and ammo, it may be a while longer before I'll even be able to purchase one.
     
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  7. Brett

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    I just ordered myself a complete upper to go with the lower I build a while back. I also ordered the components for an upper and had a local shop put the upper together. Unfortunately, I do not trust their work because I can easily unscrew the flash hider by hand.
     
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  8. Michael88

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    Just got my CZ97B wheeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee! :dopey:

    Love it! Its like a 1911, just better in every way! 3-Dot- Night sights, 10+1 capacity, Double action + Single action, chamber indicator, NO annoying grip safety, less felt recoil. Its like a CZ75 on steroids.
    Got it for 900 bucks which is a steal for a pistol of this magnitude, its all-steel afterall, and its an especially rare pistol model from CZ.

    Only downside is the butt ugly wooden grips, but I already ordered proper aluminum grips (Green). I'll post more pics once I have replaced them.

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  9. dlshearon

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    You can get an 18 in barrel for that 870 but it would probably be as much as what you paid for that gun. Just incase you want a shorty for in tha house. :cheers:
    Congrats! I love my 870. Fell in the lake and still killed ducks right after. :dopey::dunce:
     
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  10. Xavier2342

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    SWEET! Congrats man, looks like it is going to be fun to shoot. Question, decocker or safety lever?
     
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  11. Michael88

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    Thanks! Went with the safety, I prefer the option to have the gun cocked and ready to rock but on safe instead of having to cock / use double action.
     
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    Watch your mouth :lol:

    Neat gun though for sure. Never actually seen one of those around here. Shops that have CZs typically just have the common 9mm models.
     
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    :p

    Yeah, all the stores I know carry CZ75 9mm models, but none of the CZ97's. I had to order it, that's why it took a couple weeks to get it. Heck, I cant even find it in the official CZ website.

    Funny thing, today the store where I ordered the grips called me if its really for a ''97'' model and not the 75. :lol:

    Mac got one of them though.

     
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    Bought a carrying case for the AR. I can store a lot of stuff in there. Gun lube, bore cleaner, cleaning kit, extra mags. Has backpack straps. Amazon approximately $75.
     
  15. Michael88

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    Well, my happiness didn't last long. Initially I only shot 20 rounds through my new CZ and it worked wonderfully, now I shot 60 rounds and had 12 malfunctions.
    I brought it back to my dealer, his eyes popped nearly out of his sockets, he said he has never seen jams like that with this pistol. He owns one himself and several of his buddies also shoot it and they love it. But of course, I'm the guy who got the lemon. :( :(
    My last pistol, a RIA 1911 was a never ending nightmare of jams, now my next pistol, the CZ92, turns out to be a disaster as well. The only semi auto I ever owned that worked without any hiccup was my Glock 17, I should have never sold it.

    So anyway, this is what I got, shot with 2 brands of commercial .45 230 FMJ Ball. Happened every 6 shots or so. I inspected the gun very carefully and everything seems to be in order. Happened with both magazines that came with the gun. The extractor has no burrs, the feed ramp has a mirror polish, I cleaned, inspected and lubed the gun, and I shot it with a grip so hard like I wrestled some kind of ogre to rule out limp-wristing. Using handloaded dummy rounds and cycling it manually it fed great.

    Maybe one day I'll have a pistol that won't jam on me like crazy. Or, if I can get the money back I'll get me a revolver and be done with semis that aren't Glocks. :indiff:

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    And to add insult to injury, I just got my new grips for the pistol. Well, at least they are pretty.

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    This is probably because you talked bad about 1911's but I am not an expert.

    Is there a way to get it back to the factory for CZ to have a look or is that basically impossible since it would require shipping a gun internationally?
     
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    My dealer and I had a sit down, we took a close look at the gun, one thing we noticed was that the inside of the slide hold open lever where it pushes against the follower to hold the slide open when the mag is empty had reddish brass marks on it, but bullet brass marks, not cases (that would be a brighter color). That's unusual. I removed material with a small file till cycling the gun no longer resulted in bullets rubbing against it. Polished the hell out of it too. We then polished the feed ramp to a mirror bright finish and tried it out - it did 50 shots without a single malfunction. :dopey:

    The theory so far is that when the rounds were stripped from the magazine the projectiles would bump and rub against the inside of the slide lever and would become deflected to the right causing a failure to feed. I hope that was the cause of the problems, and it makes kinda sense too. Also, we figured out it tends to prefer hot .45 loads, it cycles better with those, the main spring may be on the heavy side, but that will get better the more I shoot it.

    Here is the inside part of the lever, notice the reddish rub marks on the edge. That's not a good sign in any semi auto, bullets must only come in contact with the slide, the chamber, the ramp and the magazine lips. Everything else usually results in trouble. :scared:

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    Yes, my dealer can simply send it to CZ, the CZ factory in Czech Republic is just 350km away from my place. But it takes months for them to even react to guns being sent in for repairs. Its a lot better to give it a try yourself. When it comes to firearms customer service is a totally different thing outside the united states, its barely existent around here, and its more of a theoretical than a practical thing. In reality, gun manufacturers rarely give a :censored: about warranties and you are on your own.
    The only two exceptions are Glock and Steyr, they care and do warranties and repairs. Still takes months though.
     
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    To follow up on this, the upper arrived earlier today:

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    They threw in the handguard wrap because they did not have the exact handguard that I ordered.
     
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  19. Michael88

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    Wow, now thats a light AR, I like the no-nonsense setup. :tup: Is that a 14.5 or a 16 inch barrel? Whats the barrel thickness, is it govt profile or lighter?
    My AR with dot, magnifier, weapon light and a medium 20'' barrel is 10lbs easily. (It really has zero recoil though)

    As for my Cz92B, I shot it 80 more rounds with various ammunition (even hollowpoints) and I am happy to say that I have not got a single malfunction. :dopey: It seems like I fixed the issue, it worked really well and due to the heft of the gun it was very easy to shoot it fast, it didn't feel any snappier than a 9mm!

    With the new aluminum grips:

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    It also shoot really damn well, this is 3 magazines or so at 12 meters / 15yds or so, shot in rapid succession

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    Oh and btw, GREEN!

     
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  20. Brett

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    It is a 14.5 inch barrel. The profile is Ballistic Advantage's Hanson profile, so lighter than government, but not as light as pencil.

    The grips looks great.
     
  21. Michael88

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    Looks ideal for this kind of rifle, IMHO short pencil profiles make the rifle TOO light sometimes.
    I shot a 14 inch pencil barrel once and the balance was simply off, every heart beat made the rifle move around lot, especially standing unsupported. Only had that happen once, while shooting a very lightweight 22lr. Great for carrying, bad for shooting.

    Thank you. They had red, blue, brass, silver, green and black grips, chose the green ones and I'm happy with them. Also, they make the grip a lot slimmer, the original wooden grip panels were fat, and that on a double stack 45 steel frame. :boggled: Funnily, the grip totally feels like holding a two handed sword, its the same grip dimension/shape.
     
  22. Blood Eagle

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    You mean 16” right? ;)
     
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  23. Michael88

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    My guess is its a 14.5 inch barrel with 1.6 inches of muzzle device pinned on to prevent it from being a SBR
     
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    Exactly that. Such a dumb law.
     
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    Anybody in the market for an Eotech? I came across this deal a few days ago, hope someone can take advantage of this.

    PSA is selling the Eotech for $399 (before tax and shipping) when you use discount code "512" upon check-out.

    https://palmettostatearmory.com/eotech-512-a65-black-holographic-weapon-sight.html

    Also, if anybody is planning on making a purchase of $150 or more from Opticsplanet.com use coupon code "Have15" to get $15 off your purchase. This code expires September 30th, 2020.

    Aside from that I hope all is well with everyone. Haven't done much shooting in the past few months. But I will be going shooting some time next week to sight-in my .308Win with the 185 gr Berger Jugernaught OTM hollow point from Federal that @Michael88 recommended not too long ago.
     
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    Load them way out and way hot! Good luck & take care! :dopey:

    As for my shooting situation, I had to skip going to the shooting range as too many people are too careless there and I don't want to get sick. Now I'm only shooting handguns at the small single-lane shooting range of my local dealer, that's just 10 meters. But since most defensive shootings occur at 7 meters, its still useful training. I do lots of training for fast target acquisition, that means keeping the pistol low ready, then aim and shoot as fast as I accurately can, then repeat. That has improved my skills a LOT.
     
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    I finally got my Massachusetts firearms safety certificate after everything being closed because of covid. Just need to put in my application for permit now.
     
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    In the past I didn't realize just how bad a** that ammo was in comparison to the Hornady Match ammo I currently shoot. I'll try to post the ballistics comparison between the two, but from what I recall I believe there was a 10 foot drop difference at 1,000 yards between the two. At this time I run out of mechanical (scope turrent) elevation adjustment around 1,190 yards. I'm interested in seeing how things play out with the Federal ammo.

    Also, that's awesome that you've still been able to shooting during this time. I know that you reload but how difficult has ammo been able to find out there?

    That's awesome, have you been purchased your firearm yet?
     
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    Its not bad at all! 45 ACP is readily available, so is .223. Planning on picking up a couple hundred .223 55 grain GGG. Boy, its FMJ and it shoots only a little over MOA out of my rifle, plus its cheap, available and has great brass to reload! :dopey:
     
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    I have not. I need to send in my application. My brother has told me he got one for me for my birthday back in May once I get my permit. He knows I like his p365 so I think he might me giving that to me.