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Thank god it was only from today. I last shot it (40 rounds of Czech I think. '87) was Saturday so it takes a while to visible develop...

Happened once before and I had no idea what to do. I was new to Mosins at the time but I have had this one for a little over a year now.. Scared me cause I have it tucked in my desk and bookshelves in the dark and the bolt was darker than normal and my hair stood up..
 
"After" pic is "after" cleaning, right? Are those things susceptible to rust? That reminds me, I really have to clean my USP. I've shot it twice without cleaning it. :nervous:
 
Yeah, with surplus ammo for 7.62x54 mm the Ruskies made it with cheap stuff that corroded easily, so if the gun is cheap, and the ammo is cheap, just make more guns..

So all I normally do RIGHT after I fire when it's still hot is plug the bottom with paper towels, spray some windex with ammonium and plug the top with paper towels... Then I do some sort of dance to shake the windex around and then lay it flat.

Then I run a bore snake down it which scrubs the "crumbs" off and soaks up the windex, then some rust protectant and lube down the barrel.

However... The powder must of been on my hand when I was cycling rounds or blew back some how so it stuck to it... I don't normally spray the bolt because it doesn't stick out of thin air. The problem with surplus is that the acid or whatever it is sticks to the metal and "eats away" the internals. It's basically rapid pitting and you'll carps your pants if you forget.

Some people shoot $2.50/shot which is brands like Wolfe or bear and I couldn't stand doing that... .25¢ works fine for me per shot..
 
Ah, surplus ammo. That makes sense. 👍 Non-corrosive AK rounds by Wolfe, Tula's generally under $10 for 20 rounds, right?(Walmart) Do they charge more for 7.62x54?
 
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Ah, surplus ammo. That makes sense. 👍 Non-corrosive AK rounds by Wolfe, Tula's generally under $10 for 20 rounds, right?(Walmart) Do they charge more for 7.62x54?
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I dunno... I don't even bother with anything that doesn't come in a spam can. If it's cheaper, I'm buying it. The cost of paper towels, windex, and solution/solvents is much cheaper altogether than shooting the same amount of non-corrosive. So why bother..
 
I'd never shoot crappy surplus ammo. Its like buying cheap food for yourself and you have no idea about its crappy ingredients but you eat it anyway.

Surplus isn't just corrosive, the hard steel jackets are also rather abusive to the rifling, the cases are hard to extract... I think its not worth it, I rather shoot less but high quality ammo thats more accurate and doesn't screw up my rifle.
 
Rust is actually the only thing that brings an AK down. And any other gun, unless its made from stainless steel.

Shoot your AK with corrosive surplus and don't clean it, rust will eventually eat away the gas piston tube making it a straight pull action. At that point the barrel probably looks like a sewer pipe and the bullets will tumble out of the rotten bore. Next rust will eat away the locking lugs and bolt face and thats when the gun is done.

Moist weather and corrosive salt residue from surplus ammo will cause rust in hours and render the gun useless in weeks.

Thats why I shake my head when people buy tons and tons of old surplus ammo for SHTF. If you can't clean your gun frequently and thoroughly you're destroying your gun.

Buy quality ammo whenever possible, guys.
 
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Don't ever stop posting here Michael. We'll get even dumber than we already are in here. :lol:
Michael88
Thats why I shake my head when people buy tons and tons of old surplus ammo for SHTF. If you can't clean your gun frequently and thoroughly you're destroying your gun.
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I guess that's pretty obvious when you think about it. 👍
 
Michael88
I'd never shoot crappy surplus ammo. Its like buying cheap food for yourself and you have no idea about its crappy ingredients but you eat it anyway.

Surplus isn't just corrosive, the hard steel jackets are also rather abusive to the rifling, the cases are hard to extract... I think its not worth it, I rather shoot less but high quality ammo thats more accurate and doesn't screw up my rifle.
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I choose to believe not, only because I'm not the stereotypical southerner where I'm from, by just shooting the guns and throwing it in a case...
I clean my guns thoroughly after each use and it started all after recieving my first .22 Ruger.. Ever since, it's a chore that ends to be done.
It is no different than trying out a different gas station's gas. I do t know if Shell actually puts stuff in their different from others, so that's why I use non ethanol in my car (or premium if some may call it that). No different..

It's not crappy either... At 100 yards with iron sights on a fixed stand I can normally get anywhere between 3-4" groupings depending on weather.... Not by any means good for some but for being just bought from a store and throwing rounds down range, without a glass beaded bottom or any optics, that's good enough for me.

The type of casings does not effect my mosin, but rather the bolt face and the end of the reciever, where it often touches after expanding from heat... And due to the fact I've never actually checked the head spacing. Sure a few rounds split, but nothing will beat a mosin up...

So I can understand your view of surplus IF people don't clean immediately, but it was just a spot I missed.
I have the same views with people not wasihing their cars. A dirty car/truck/vehicle looks disgusting.. Otherwise if you wash and wax once a month (try to wax every month when I can but some times there is just too much rain for me to get it done..) then I applaud you.:cheers:
 
Swagger897
Sure a few rounds split, but nothing will beat a mosin up...
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Maybe not the Mosin, but case failures will beat YOU up because the Mosin bolt is terrible at dealing with the escaping gas from ruptured cases and the 7.62x54 has lots of pressure. The Mauser bolt has a rear gas shield and two gas relief cuts in case of case failure, the Mosin has no safety feature whatsoever. That means chances that the escaping hot gas and brass/steel particles blow into your eyes and face is very high.
Paul Mauser lost an eye that way when testing the Mauser 96 action (Swede Mauser), thats why he made the 98 Mauser Bolt so safe.


I would never shoot ammo where cases are prone to split, no matter the quality. :sick:
 
I am the proud owner of a nice collection of firearms of several types.
But you asked about recent use so I will just restrict my comments to these.
My Glock .45 cal is a great carry weapon and I practice once a week with it . Its the early model so its only 10 round magazine .
Not an issue. As my previouse carry weapons where all revolvers. And its my opinion that if you need even TEN rounds you are an idiot for placing yourself into a situation like that .
Anyway at 100 yards on a bench the Glock will give 3 to 5" groups .
Amazing for a semi auto handgun. The normal 20 to 50 yards are effortlessly easy and the hangun has not had a malfunction with either ball or hallowpoint ammo.
My other recent range rover is my Enfield .303 mk 4 made in Canada in 1944 .
Its cherry condition and has a sweet bolt action that enables you to not often have to reaquire the target like US spingfield .
I only load six round out of respect for the internal magazines springs age.
I have made mostly 100 to 500 yards pictures on paper with it .
Its highly accurate at bench . 2" groups being normal . It is scoped as I used it for hunting .
Its a heavy weapon to hump around . The recoil is not an issue and it has no sportorized parts.
Aside from the scope its as it would be in WWII .
The range had only 100 and 500 stations , hence my experiment with the handgun .
Much fun was had by my son and I .
 
ledhed14
But you asked about recent use so I will just restrict my comments to these.
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I don't know where you got that idea. We are pretty flexible in here. :D

I wish I could shoot more often. Once a month would be sweet for me!
 
AM that a custom made for me , SS Ruger sec six . 38 special or 357 magnum . Thats been in PPC competition and I did so well I ordered the 6" barrel and my dad made me a masterpiece.
Thats his work.
He made art of many Hanguns , my 1911 being maybe his finest effort .
But he also tuned long guns and the AR 15 he made me is a never sell .
He did ok with the AK 47 but he didn't like it much . I do as its much more accurate than before but thats for an AK ..lol.
He hated Glocks so I never asked .
 
I had never even heard of Coonan. Very cool. 👍 I love .357, but I don't get total crush on guns that won't feed reliably. :dopey:

What a beautiful day for shooting! I'm jealous of the place you get to shoot, as much as the guns you actually get to shoot....... Probably more. :D
 
Before this, I think Desert Eagle was the only other .357 semi-auto I was aware of..... at least off the top of my head.
 
I was having my account smooshed together so I have been read only for a bit.
The AK he made the bolt throw less of a impact and also where possible , between cursing '' commie pos " tightened some of the tolerance up so it doesn't rattle around as much , I believe he stole ideas from Israeli gunsmith he was buddy with . Its just doesn't take your sights so far off target now and allows you to reacquire the picture and get better groups . Its semi auto as I am now civilian .
I have had a few chances to use more modern versions and also the new .556 ( I believe ) round similar to the NATO version but hotter.
http://www.chuckhawks.com/6mm_military_cartridge.htm
Some fodder for ammo heads .
When my dad passed I lost the easy access to new weapons and full auto LE/ military type fun stuff .
But everything of mine he worked on or improved will go on to my son and daughter .
Even a firearm can have a soul .
 
Dad wanted me to sight in my bb gun because it was "off" for him.

Went out, shot this @ 25yds without changing anything and the wind blowing at 30mph. :lol:

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