realistic gear changes
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It's easy to program if you make gearchanges when you hit the redline. If the programmers were to specify ideal gearchange points for all of the cars in the game it'd take them quite a bit of time and the performance gains would be next to inconsequential. If you're really that bothered that you're losing a couple of hundredths on each change you should try the manual box 
- 1,835
- Sherbrooke, Québec,
I really dont see the point to be in the GT5 section :S
- 198
I'm thinkning he's asking why the automatic in GT doesn't act like an automatic in real life. i.e. His car is an automatic in real life in which case the computer decides when to shift depending on the amount of throttle being used, so it will shift up at 3000, 6000, or 6500RPM or whatever depending on the amount of throttle. Where as in GT the automatic is actually a manual, it just shifts on it's own, so it is designed to shift at redline rather than being based on the amount of throttle being used as in a real automatic.
If that makes sense.
If that makes sense.
- 198
in my dads automatic if you put more than about 70% throttle then it wouldnt change gears till redline and also whilst racing you want to get as much speedn from the gears as possible because when you are going round a bend you realy dont want to be changing gears and yet you want to be able to take the bend as fast as possible so not changing till redline makes sense IMO
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- Paganisterr
- Ak Paganister
Why?
Want proper shifts? Do it yourself and go manual. If I wanted it to shift for me all the time properly, it would drive me nuts. Do about 30% throttle around a corner, and more than likely it will upshift and I'll lose some speed coming out of the corner. Doing the shifts yourself you can 100% determine when and where you want to change gears. This is a very simple solution that probably stops game developers doing proper automatic shifts to date.
Most automatics have a manual override in real-life anyway. Maybe they're in that mode in GT4?
Want proper shifts? Do it yourself and go manual. If I wanted it to shift for me all the time properly, it would drive me nuts. Do about 30% throttle around a corner, and more than likely it will upshift and I'll lose some speed coming out of the corner. Doing the shifts yourself you can 100% determine when and where you want to change gears. This is a very simple solution that probably stops game developers doing proper automatic shifts to date.
Most automatics have a manual override in real-life anyway. Maybe they're in that mode in GT4?
Bingo.
What the thread poster doesn't realize is that all cars in GT are manual. All of them, all the time. The only thing that's "automatic" about them is that the game does the shifting for you.
I remember those days. I used to think that manual was "too much work". Then one day I sat down with GT3 and decided to go manual. Did a bunch of hotlaps on Complex String with various cars to get the feel of it. I've never looked back.
In fact, the only game that I've intentionally turned on automatic transmission was Outrun 2006, but that's a completely different kind of gameplay.
Hell, driving manual in GT even convinced me to buy my next car with a stick-shift. Again, I've never looked back, and I doubt I'll buy any car ever again that's not a manual (except maybe a minivan or something when the kids come along).
- 1,003
absolutly incorrect.
There's the Mercedes SL55 AMG, the Jaguar XKR's (2) and the Jaguar Type S, among others that are clearly automatic (they drive when you let off the brakes, have stall converters, and shift quickly and smoothly, in a fluent, torque converter, automatic style)
Now, some cars in GT4 are only available as Auto IRL, and have the same gears, and gear ratios as the AUTO's, IRL, but shift like manual's, and this is my pet peeve. car's like the Buick GNX, Mercedes SL65 AMG, etc.
I hoped this thread was about the horrendously slow shifts, that manuals encounter, because that's an annoyance from hell, along with the non-existent clutch-work.
if NFS can make cars shift more realisticly than GT, somethings wrong, no?
They don't shift like automatics, do they? Which is what we're talking about here. You can cruise at 30mph, and the car will still be in first gear, at 5K+rpm. No real automatic would do that.
Even those so-called "automatics" don't really behave like real automatics.
- 1,003
Define "shift like an automatic". they shift like 'em, they just stay in gear.
Actually, I believe you can put the cars I listed in a "sport" mode and they will hold themselves in lower gear for you. (IRL)
Also, all Automatics have the good ol' 1-2-3 etc, where one can hold them in gear. So it's not drastic to have them stay in gear.
Show me an automatic, ANY automatic, that will stay in first gear at thirty or forty miles per hour, with only enough throttle to maintain speed. At that speed, the car will shift into somewhere around fourth gear. It will NOT stay in first.
We're not talking about manumatic, or locking an automatic car into a single gear. We're talking about letting the car do ALL of the shifting for you. In which case, the game does NOT shift realistically. Are you implying that it does?
We're not talking about manumatic, or locking an automatic car into a single gear. We're talking about letting the car do ALL of the shifting for you. In which case, the game does NOT shift realistically. Are you implying that it does?
- 5,768
- Anoka, MN
i dont remember if this is true, but if you hold the R2 button with the automatic, you can delay the upshifts, or something like that
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- 5,768
- Anoka, MN
cool. its good for when you have minimal throttle, the tranny wont upshift right away, but rather when you want it to.
- 1,003
I fear you missed my point.
It's becoming increasingly common, for new performance vehicles, to have multiple settings for their automatic transmissions. Mostly on high-end models, you can purchase some new cars with "sport", or "track" modes. These modes cause the car to delay in shifting, and hold out longer before shifting, for the exact purpose gran turismo makes automatics stay in gear until redline.
Plus, PD wants everybody to enjoy their game, and making automatics shift all over the place would make them drastically slower than manual, thereby forcing anyone who wants to remain competitive, to learn manual. this would simply not appease the majority of gamers.
Secondly, as I said, any automatic can be held in gear anyway, without the knowledge of driving a manual, by any random person. Whether you neglect it or not will not change the ease of use or functionality of this real-life ability.
So please read this post thouroghly, so we won't have this mix-up again:
Jedi
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you poor soul.
I never said they use "real" automatics.
except on a few cars.
i don't give a flying **** how many years you've driven automatics, if what you say is actually true, then you know damn well how easy 1-2-3 shifting is, and shouldnt see the problem.
I, unfortunatly, only have 1 year with auto.
after that I got a manual, and laugh at people to lazy to drive a more effecient, better vehicle.
chow
- 5,768
- Anoka, MN
yeah, what's so great about an automatic? oooh...the car shifts for me! yes you can do an easier brakestand, but otherwise its not that great. im not fond of any automatic, including cvts and manumatics. full manual is the way to go, and its not that difficult in gran turismo.
- 5,768
- Anoka, MN
after re-reading what i just said, why cant you do a brakestand in gran turismo, especially in the high-hp vehicles?
I, unfortunatly, only have 1 year with auto.
after that I got a manual, and laugh at people to lazy to drive a more effecient, better vehicle.
chow
If that was supposed to be some kind of a wisecrack, don't bother.. I drive a stick now.
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You can, but it really only works with the economy or comfort tires.
- 1,003
you can, very easily.
you also can with sports, and racing. All you need to do is be easy on the brakes.superhero wally
I know, you posted that in this thread. however, you're touting you're "15 years" as though it means something special. it's automatic. it takes 1 day to figure out. that's it. meaning you're 14 years, 364 days after that, are a waste of time.Jedi
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- Sherbrooke, Québec,
for your knowledge,on most automatic transmission shifting is not based on throttle position but ratter on fluid trans pressure build by the stall converter and there is also a cable that go from the throttle to the trans but its the kick down cable and it open a valve when you are a WOT (Wide Open Throttle)
- 5,768
- Anoka, MN
woah woah woah MasterFocus, calm down there. all your sentences are slurring together like a hyperactive 8 yr old. slow down and use some periods so the rest of us can actually understand what you're saying, or trying to say.
