Realistic? Simulation? hmmmmmm

[ChrisGT]

I can't tell the difference online, I think it's great.

You should use paragraphs.

This! 👍 I didn't even have to read the rest of the thread.

 

[Jav]

Doc has a hotel?

Oh, you meant Holiday Inn.

Yes I did, let me fi it real quick!

They also say tha staying on a Holiday Inn Express makes you smater, you believe it?

Thank you my human GTP spell checkers!

 

[H20HYBRID_GT]

While I generally agree, I find it funny that it seemingly took GT community over a year to figure out that "something" is wrong with GT5 online.

Problem is there are many possible factors, however it's mostly down to bad programming and design decisions, IMO obviously .
Some of them like the private / open room settings ironically because the community demanded it. I remember talking against walls when I said private rooms would be the worst thing to happen, mind you not as an exception but as a general path for a good console racing game concept...

Oh and I totally agree on the chat windows, useless, annoying and causing additional lag, with - of course - no option to turn them off whatsoever.

Hmmmmm, indeed. Such a shame the core of GT5 is excellent, but the way things are implemented or simply not existent ( hello leaderboards ) ruins it pretty much.

R.I.P. console seller and happy new year.

 

[Bobalob]

Your simply playing the wrong game if you want a "proper" simulator, as said before there are many on the PC

I see the flaws in gt5 too but then I say **** it and jump in the silvia for a real life skid session, who gives a **** if your pits are longer than real life - go to a real track or stop crying about your GAME not completly fooling your sense of reality.

also

PARAGRAPHS!

 

[phil_75]

To begin, I will say that GT5 still has the best physics engine, HOWEVER! The online racing is still very unrealistic with with lack of grip compared to being in the GT Life mode. The tracks are like ice rinks! (Even with with voice disabled) WAY TIRED OF THE CHAT WINDOW TOO! I watched my brother race online the other night and some guy lost his connection and came back into the room and whined and complained the whole time while THEY WERE RACING! That CHAT WINDOW IS IN THE WAY OF MY BRAKING POINTS! Also still WAY OFF is the tire wear ie. in real life the LMP1 cars ran 4 and 5 stints on ONE SET OF TIRES! In real life the F1 cars spend less than 30 seconds in the pits (McLaren, Ferrari & Red Bull all spend less than 4 seconds in their pit stalls). I believe that it was 20 or 24 seconds from the time they entered pit lane to exit at Silverstone or was it Valencia? The option to change tires at all needs to be implemented as well. There is still nothing for me as far as telemetry, (the circles aren't cutting it). I spend more time tuning my car than driving it. A good pit stop in Nascar is 13 seconds. The in game tuning guide is still incredibly vague. The values are what with the differential again? If my unit of measure is imperial, it should be that across the board! All gas tanks are not 99 litres either! I have received tunes from people that are very UNREALISTIC, IE; the car in real life would break if they used it. In real life you can tune each individual wheel, positive camber on the left side and negative camber on the right side for ovals is an example. This just front and rear tuning is WRONG! Changing right sides only is actually allowed in racing. I don't like having to tune my car to the differential, it still plays too much of a role in how the car is handling. In real life you are allowed no more than 3 inches of difference in play of the wheels. My B-Spec drivers are still idiots, they are completely scared of the exit of the Mulsanne corner at Le Mans, I mean, is there some hot babe there that they want to look at? And how about the braking at Daytona when there are NO OTHER CARS AROUND? Are they really that scared to cross the start/finish line without putting on the brakes? And seriously, what is their fascination with the gear box, are they competing with the AI on how many times they can change gears? They are afraid to pass when they clearly had the chance. My drivers will let the car they just passed pass them just before the Dunlop tire at Le Mans and they are level 40 drivers. C'mon, please fix these issues. These are just a few things I have noticed, there are more, just can't remember all of them. If Forza had this physics engine, I would chuck my PS3. There are way too many limits. My cars SHOULD NOT lose grip doing 16 miles and hour, PERIOD! Seperate the leaderboards too, one for people that use assists and those that don't. ABS is the only thing I use and on 1 because if there isn't any, the cars just lock up, that is also another issue. PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE fix these issues. Turn off the chat window or give us the ability to. Thank you and Happy Holidays!

Only one problem with this; ITS TRUE!

 

[andymahadeo]

Do you mean the graphical steering wheel in the cockpit, or your G25/Driving Force etc?

The graphical steering wheel. i find most driving games do this.. i think it really makes the game feel unrealistic.

 

[CSLACR]

To begin, I will say that GT5 still has the best physics engine, HOWEVER! The online racing is still very unrealistic with with lack of grip compared to being in the GT Life mode. The tracks are like ice rinks! (Even with with voice disabled) WAY TIRED OF THE CHAT WINDOW TOO! I watched my brother race online the other night and some guy lost his connection and came back into the room and whined and complained the whole time while THEY WERE RACING! That CHAT WINDOW IS IN THE WAY OF MY BRAKING POINTS! Also still WAY OFF is the tire wear ie. in real life the LMP1 cars ran 4 and 5 stints on ONE SET OF TIRES! In real life the F1 cars spend less than 30 seconds in the pits (McLaren, Ferrari & Red Bull all spend less than 4 seconds in their pit stalls). I believe that it was 20 or 24 seconds from the time they entered pit lane to exit at Silverstone or was it Valencia? The option to change tires at all needs to be implemented as well. There is still nothing for me as far as telemetry, (the circles aren't cutting it). I spend more time tuning my car than driving it. A good pit stop in Nascar is 13 seconds. The in game tuning guide is still incredibly vague. The values are what with the differential again? If my unit of measure is imperial, it should be that across the board! All gas tanks are not 99 litres either! I have received tunes from people that are very UNREALISTIC, IE; the car in real life would break if they used it. In real life you can tune each individual wheel, positive camber on the left side and negative camber on the right side for ovals is an example. This just front and rear tuning is WRONG! Changing right sides only is actually allowed in racing. I don't like having to tune my car to the differential, it still plays too much of a role in how the car is handling. In real life you are allowed no more than 3 inches of difference in play of the wheels. My B-Spec drivers are still idiots, they are completely scared of the exit of the Mulsanne corner at Le Mans, I mean, is there some hot babe there that they want to look at? And how about the braking at Daytona when there are NO OTHER CARS AROUND? Are they really that scared to cross the start/finish line without putting on the brakes? And seriously, what is their fascination with the gear box, are they competing with the AI on how many times they can change gears? They are afraid to pass when they clearly had the chance. My drivers will let the car they just passed pass them just before the Dunlop tire at Le Mans and they are level 40 drivers. C'mon, please fix these issues. These are just a few things I have noticed, there are more, just can't remember all of them. If Forza had this physics engine, I would chuck my PS3. There are way too many limits. My cars SHOULD NOT lose grip doing 16 miles and hour, PERIOD! Seperate the leaderboards too, one for people that use assists and those that don't. ABS is the only thing I use and on 1 because if there isn't any, the cars just lock up, that is also another issue. PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE fix these issues. Turn off the chat window or give us the ability to. Thank you and Happy Holidays!

2 Problems, first is that at least most of it's true.

Second is that with not having paragraphs (which GTPlanet doesn't allow at least without some annoying coding) gives all the people that don't like to hear anything bad about GT an excuse to say it doesn't "count".

Of course the fact that half of the responses are simply "I didn't read it" which pretty much means "I have no business posting in this thread" has no excuse whatsoever.

My main issues are the chat window, and online physics being so much different then offline. It's actually the ONLY racing game I've ever played that had different "sets" of physics for online and offline.
Really makes me wonder what the hell PD was thinking, especially since it wasn't an issue in GT5P.

 

[rocketcaron]

This is very much a rant, but again, you should make it easy to follow

GT5 is a console game. that is two fold, sims are generally a pc thing, and it is a game not as much a sim as others.

It is very realistic, but it cannot be perfect with 1000 cars, and it is not an all out sim, since many cars are not put together 100%. They dont shift at the right point in auto gear (eg the volt gt)
It is realistic, but it is not a sim. And it is far more of a sim than forza is (you reference telemetry, generally part of forza)

If you want a realistic game, here it is. If you want a sim then play r-factor or iRacing

I agree with most of it, except if you have kept up with Forza till the 4th iteration you should be aware that Forza is now at least just as realistic as GT. Just to keep the record straight. 👍

 

[thelvynau]

I agree with most of it, except if you have kept up with Forza till the 4th iteration you should be aware that Forza is now at least just as realistic as GT. Just to keep the record straight. 👍

As a owner of both I agree. I find myself jumping from one to the other im addicted to both

 

[NeoXenzaka]

Why would you not use paragraphs for that much text? You really want me to sit here and read that for 15MIN trying to figure out what's going on? Nope. Got other things to do.

 

[thelvynau]

Why would you not use paragraphs for that much text? You really want me to sit here and read that for 15MIN trying to figure out what's going on? Nope. Got other things to do.

If your not going to read it why bother with posting?

 

[MOTORTRENDmitch]

If Forza had this physics engine, I would chuck my PS3.

My thoughts exactly.. Maybe a little but too "ranty" but I agree with almost everything you said

 

[kilttraeger]

I've tried to untangle the OP; I don't know if I have been successful, yet it is clear that he has loads of different issues with GT5.

To begin, I will say that GT5 still has the best physics engine, HOWEVER! The online racing is still very unrealistic with with lack of grip compared to being in the GT Life mode. The tracks are like ice rinks! (Even with with voice disabled)

WAY TIRED OF THE CHAT WINDOW TOO! I watched my brother race online the other night and some guy lost his connection and came back into the room and whined and complained the whole time while THEY WERE RACING! That CHAT WINDOW IS IN THE WAY OF MY BRAKING POINTS!

Also still WAY OFF is the tire wear ie. in real life the LMP1 cars ran 4 and 5 stints on ONE SET OF TIRES! In real life the F1 cars spend less than 30 seconds in the pits (McLaren, Ferrari & Red Bull all spend less than 4 seconds in their pit stalls). I believe that it was 20 or 24 seconds from the time they entered pit lane to exit at Silverstone or was it Valencia? The option to change tires at all needs to be implemented as well.


There is still nothing for me as far as telemetry, (the circles aren't cutting it). I spend more time tuning my car than driving it.

A good pit stop in Nascar is 13 seconds.

The in game tuning guide is still incredibly vague. The values are what with the differential again?

If my unit of measure is imperial, it should be that across the board! All gas tanks are not 99 litres either!

I have received tunes from people that are very UNREALISTIC, IE; the car in real life would break if they used it. In real life you can tune each individual wheel, positive camber on the left side and negative camber on the right side for ovals is an example. This just front and rear tuning is WRONG! Changing right sides only is actually allowed in racing.

I don't like having to tune my car to the differential, it still plays too much of a role in how the car is handling.

In real life you are allowed no more than 3 inches of difference in play of the wheels.

My B-Spec drivers are still idiots, they are completely scared of the exit of the Mulsanne corner at Le Mans, I mean, is there some hot babe there that they want to look at? And how about the braking at Daytona when there are NO OTHER CARS AROUND? Are they really that scared to cross the start/finish line without putting on the brakes?

And seriously, what is their fascination with the gear box, are they competing with the AI on how many times they can change gears? They are afraid to pass when they clearly had the chance. My drivers will let the car they just passed pass them just before the Dunlop tire at Le Mans and they are level 40 drivers.

C'mon, please fix these issues. These are just a few things I have noticed, there are more, just can't remember all of them.

If Forza had this physics engine, I would chuck my PS3. There are way too many limits.

My cars SHOULD NOT lose grip doing 16 miles and hour, PERIOD!

Seperate the leaderboards too, one for people that use assists and those that don't. ABS is the only thing I use and on 1 because if there isn't any, the cars just lock up, that is also another issue.

PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE fix these issues.

Turn off the chat window or give us the ability to.

Thank you and Happy Holidays!

 

[Patrick]

^^ Thanks for that. I'm not going to start a Forza vs GT5 thread.

 

[Jeba Da Dya Da]

I've tried to untangle the OP; I don't know if I have been successful, yet it is clear that he has loads of different issues with GT5.

WOW! Thx dude.... I went back and did all the proper things but it spit it out all weird and junk. At first I figured that all the spaces would be taking up more space on their servers than needed. Then I got the hate mail and did the whole return and 5 indents to start a new paragragh. So much for the 1 subject and proper segue. Anyways, that you took the time to do that? You should get a free gift card or something. Totally cool man, much appreciated. I am trying now to figure out how to delete my profile because other than you and a couple others that commented and actually took the time to read my little and loud complaint on a public forum, it has been made clear that the rest of the people were just beating their gums together and are probably the same folks who try and pass one the grass and use me and that other dude as their brakes.

 

[thelvynau]

WOW! Thx dude.... I went back and did all the proper things but it spit it out all weird and junk. At first I figured that all the spaces would be taking up more space on their servers than needed. Then I got the hate mail and did the whole return and 5 indents to start a new paragragh. So much for the 1 subject and proper segue. Anyways, that you took the time to do that? You should get a free gift card or something. Totally cool man, much appreciated. I am trying now to figure out how to delete my profile because other than you and a couple others that commented and actually took the time to read my little and loud complaint on a public forum, it has been made clear that the rest of the people were just beating their gums together and are probably the same folks who try and pass one the grass and use me and that other dude as their brakes.

Hi not trying to be rude I think I understood what you meant but its difficult

 

[Short Bus]

GT fits in an odd spot. It's not realistic enough to be a simulator, but it sure is a lot more real feeling than most other console racing games. I guess we could just call it a console sim; not as accurate as a PC based sim, but fun in it's own way.

 

[MrGrado]

Online grip seems same to me some people complain that things get messy when there are 16 people on track and that might be true I don't go online that much chat window is transparent tyre wear might not be realistic but most races are over before the tyres are worn also I can drive some cars on one set of tyres until they are out of fuel I would never need a set of tyres to last longer than that in a game pit times might not be realistic but at least they are consistent if you want realism maybe you also want a low percent chance that a pit crew member will not attach your wheel correctly and your wheel falls off at the end of the pit lane too nascar sucks the game could have more telemetry but I personally don't need it if there was telemetry people would still complain about it imperial units should never be in a racing game to measure distances if we have the option of imperial units then lets have the option of units from the old testament too what would noah use petrol tanks are all the same size and that is not realistic if the game included the correct size of petrol tank on standard cars it would likely provide an option to install a larger fuel tank for racing and then people would all be using a standard size fuel tank on all their cars anyway so polyphony would have wasted a lot of resources for no reason what so ever if tuning a car takes a long time for you then that is your problem whatever the game offers for tuning options and telemetry anyone that spends more time tuning and testing will increase their chances of having a better tune b spec is irrelevant to an argument about how gt5 is a sim or not a sim it sucks everyone already knows it already your drivers don't make the same errors as much when they are higher level at low levels they suck it is what it is but it still performs the only role it ever did to earn creds while your away from the ps3 I know from experience that a real car can lose grip at extremely low speed even on a high grip surface under the right conditions but I never have this issue in the game anyway it must be your driving you want separate leader boards for people not using driver aids but you use abs which is a driver aid so what you want is a leaderboard for people who don't use aids with the exception of abs1 just so you and people like you are not excluded personally I can get a time high up on any leader board without using any aids at all I think that most if not all of the fast guys are not using them either except for maybe abs1 if you can't get a fast time on a leader board it is because you can't drive not because other people are using driver aids some races are odd lengths and some endurance races are really dumb this is your most valid point of your whole post.

 

[thelvynau]

Online grip seems same to me some people complain that things get messy when there are 16 people on track and that might be true I don't go online that much chat window is transparent tyre wear might not be realistic but most races are over before the tyres are worn also I can drive some cars on one set of tyres until they are out of fuel I would never need a set of tyres to last longer than that in a game pit times might not be realistic but at least they are consistent if you want realism maybe you also want a low percent chance that a pit crew member will not attach your wheel correctly and your wheel falls off at the end of the pit lane too nascar sucks the game could have more telemetry but I personally don't need it if there was telemetry people would still complain about it imperial units should never be in a racing game to measure distances if we have the option of imperial units then lets have the option of units from the old testament too what would noah use gas tanks are all the same size and that is not realistic if the game included the correct size of gas tank on standard cars it wold likely provide an option to install a larger fuel tank for racing and then people would all be using a standard size fuel tank on all their cars anyway so polyphony would have wasted a lot of resources for no reason what so ever if tuning a car takes a long time for you then that is your problem whatever the game offers for tuning options and telemetry anyone that spends more time tuning and testing will increase their chances of having a better tune b spec is irrelevant to an argument about how gt5 is a sim or not a sim it sucks everyone already knows it your drivers don't make the same errors as much when they are higher level at low levels they suck it is what it is but it still performs the only role it ever did to earn creds while your away from the ps3 I know from experience that a real car can lose grip at extremely low speed even on a high grip surface under the right conditions but I never have this issue in the game anyway it must be your driving you want separate leader boards for people not using driver aids but you use abs which is a driver aid so what you want is a leaderboard for people who don't use aids with the exception of abs1 just so you and people like you are not excluded personally I can get a time high up on any leader board without using any aids at all I think that most if not all of the fast guys are not using them either except for maybe abs1 if you can't get a fast time on a leader board it is because you can't drive not because other people are using driver aids some races are odd lengths and some endurance races are really dumb this is you most valid point of your post.

Wow breathe or pause

 

[CSLACR]

Wow breathe or pause

It's called "baiting", he simply wants the OP to call him out on it and then flame him.
Why in hell this got moved to "tuning" is beyond me.

 

[kennyblanco]

I agree that we should have the ability to turn off the chat window, at least in races. If everyone is racing then they shouldn't have time to write in the chat box. Texting and driving is dangerous. Especially at high speeds.

 

[MrGrado]

It's called "baiting", he simply wants the OP to call him out on it and then flame him.
Why in hell this got moved to "tuning" is beyond me.

I said all I have to say for this thread already and yeah, it's weird that this is in the tuning forum.

 

[CSLACR]

I said all I have to say for this thread already and yeah, it's weird that this is in the tuning forum.

Just razzin' ya

 

[ROYALEFATALE]

I'm a hardcore Mac guy but as soon as I have the funds for a smokin PC and an iRacing membership, I'm gonna do it. I love GT5 but I need something that gives me more of a challenge and gets me away from the majority of people in GT5's online rooms. For every good respectable driver that I've met online in GT5, I've met 100 idiots who think passing on the grass and using my bumper as their brakes is the cool thing to do.

OP has obviously never tried iRacing, anyway you don't need a super-computer to run it, the engine is from Nascar 2003 or something, i play it just fine on a 2009 Macbook, all you really need is a copy of Windoze to run in bootcamp.

 

[thelvynau]

awesome gripe about GT5 in the tuning forum whats next? trading in the questions and answers? Hang on that has already happened

 

[CSLACR]

awesome gripe about GT5 in the tuning forum whats next? trading in the questions and answers? Hang on that has already happened

It was moved here, since the OP doesn't appear premium, you'll have to take your gripe up with a moderator on that.

 

[Bobalob]

I don't agree with the "online grip is different" statement.

 

[dr_slump]

I don't agree with the "online grip is different" statement.

So you feel absolutely no difference between offline and online racing?

 

[Blood*Specter]

I know that it may depend on when you started playing GT to know this. But many of the options were removed from license testing right down to tuning options. Because many felt the "game" was becoming too much like tuning real cars. In other words, too much realism meant not enough fun.

One does notice that bits of the first three games are making their way back into this one. The answer is simple; the game should be a total SIM. And there should be an Arcade segment strictly for those with no taste for the particulars of tuning and driving a SIM

The game can not be all things to all people. But by creating a SIM with real race scenarios, PD can cater to both worlds. They could go as far as selling the game as a two disk set. One SIM the other Arcade both with on-line options. But never should the two meet. Just think, no more Red Bull X's poping up in your 450 pp room not understanding why they can't race there.

 

[Lambob]

No car racing game could ever be real, until an A.C.M.E Baseball bat hits you in the jaw for every crash at 180+ km/hr.

And I can always find important tidbits to agree on from a wall of text, and I quote:
'corner at Le Mans, I mean, is there some hot babe there that they want to look at? '
Yes.