RUF CTR2 - can someone finally cure this *****?

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First off I havent played the gt series since gt2 in which the RUF CTR2 was my absolute favourite car so ofcourse in gt4 i got it as soon as i could. Since then Ive sold the car in disgust after stuggling with setting it up only to re-purchase and try again - 5 times! Hopefully someone can help me keep the 5th car before I snap the GT4 disc in half.


I've searched all the other topics on this and alot of other websites but still the CTR2 handles like crap.

The problem of course is understeer and perhaps me, but I'll be dammned if I'll drive a mega HP beauty around corners at 2mph.

on my last attempt at tuning i had the car with no TCS, next-to-nothing front brakes and max rear brakes, lsd & susp settings i cant remember. Then i could drive like gt2 and slide into corners, wait for the nose to point the right way and thrash the gas - still it was unstable and often slid a tad too much.


So who has decent RUF CTR2 settings that will allow me to thrash around the tracks and not drive it like its made of china?

 

[rk]

on my last attempt at tuning i had the car with no TCS, next-to-nothing front brakes and max rear brakes, lsd & susp settings i cant remember.

You're not giving us a lot to go on, you do realize that. You must be using sport tires because this rig freakin rocks on R5's. I took it down to Nürburgring and it flew so far off the Quiddelbacher rise, I had to save the replay, the sucker almost cleared the turn before landing. Forget wheelie competitions or drifting, lets get some airtime! So anyway, my first reccomendation is to BACK OFF. You are driving almost 1000 hp with no aerodynamics except the chassis, could be messy.
I set this tune with the R5's and then dropped the front springs 2 clicks and raised the rear one to make it driveable with sport tires, but it still pushes them around. Maybe you could start with this rockin set-up and do the standard tuning tricks to adjust your steering bias for the tires you use. I will check for feedback.
brakes 5/7
springs 9.0/9.0
height 105/135
bound 7/8
rebound 8/8
camber 1.7/2.2
stabilizer 4/5
asm/o 0
asm/u 0
tcs 3
lsd front 10/15/15
lsd rear 10/33/17

 

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Your settings were an improvement, but still dont let me drive the way I want. I tried:
TCS : 0
ASM U : 10
Brakes: 5 / 10
sport-med front tyres, sport-soft rear (advice from PM)

Then I could mash the gas while turning which works ok and is fun, but useless in a race.

I always get to the brink of an understeer cure only to have the **** slide too much while cornering.

basically i want 0 understeer while still being firmly planted and thrashable

 

[rk]

Your settings were an improvement, but still dont let me drive the way I want. I tried:
TCS : 0
ASM U : 10
Brakes: 5 / 10
sport-med front tyres, sport-soft rear (advice from PM)

Then I could mash the gas while turning which works ok and is fun, but useless in a race.

I always get to the brink of an understeer cure only to have the **** slide too much while cornering.

basically i want 0 understeer while still being firmly planted and thrashable

Well, the asm is killing you. I bet you didn't know it used to brakes to control understeer. Kinda hard to swing the tail when the asm computer is saying "slower!"
I always turn the asm's off; of course my friend is pulling 1'16's at Côte d'Azur in the Formula using them, my best being 1'18.something...

And let's see, you are trying to encourage steering bias towards oversteer, correct? Who are you taking advice from that advises you INCREASE traction in the rear (and why didn't they reply in public forum, I wonder)? Mixing compounds is a trick I don't recommend in GT4 because the "traction vs. wear" is not linear, i.e., harder tires do not ever grip as well, even when fully warmed, as their softer cousins. Now you have to pit every time your softies wear red, which would be every lap at The 'Ring.
You can accomplish the same thing by splaying your rear wheels, add camber until it slides the way you want. The physics engine doesn't change tire wear based on suspension angles, so excessive toe and camber carry no endurance penalty.

I think you'll find your best results in working the springs. Just keep dropping the front, or raising the rear, until you get what you want. if it gets too unstable in bumps, back off and try dropping the front stabilizer or drop the front/raise the rear dampers some. The trick is to adjust a little and test, it is very easy to go too far, then you will have accomplished nothing.

 

[pmgolf]

rk - why wouldn't you use the thread that rydeOrdie started to post your setup?

https://www.gtplanet.net/forum/showthread.php?p=1540784&highlight=ruf+ctr2+settings#post1540784

Or even added to the thread that contains post #184, which follows a few after the following:

https://www.gtplanet.net/forum/showthread.php?p=1540784&highlight=ruf+ctr2+settings#post1540784

If you had, we would have only two threads with setups of this car - one titled for it and one generally titled for setups - instead of the 3 we now have.
Gonna try for 4, 5, or more, rk?

So... I don't know where to post this. I guess I'll follow the lead of my idol, rk.

Gt4addict's setup:

Spring Rate 10.4/12.0
Ride Height 100/102
Bound 7/9
Rebound 4/3
Camber 3.5/2.5
Toe 0/-2
Stabilizers 2/6
Initial tourque 5/7
LMS Accel. 10/45
LMS Deccel. 5/8

Pete

 

[rk]

rk - why wouldn't you use the thread that rydeOrdie started to post your setup?

Well, to tell you the truth, Pete, those tunes have less value than the one you just posted (regardless of it's origin), they were not listed under the title of the specific cars name. While this site, or at least THIS forum is search engine oriented, the excellent car tunes that appear within the bodies of many threads, RossoCorsaItaly's comes to mind as an example, they will likely be lost to history, since most searchers who do not select "search title only" inevitably overlook all but the first 10 or 15 hits. SO by my own reckoning, the first seeker that posts the car's namw gets my tune, seem too arbitrary?

If you had, we would have only two threads with setups of this car - one titled for it and one generally titled for setups - instead of the 3 we now have.
Gonna try for 4, 5, or more, rk?

It is assumed that one day, probably when the dust settles, someone will link all the related tune threads. Perhaps you can be the lucky one that is tasked with tracking down all those pertinent posts.

So... I don't know where to post this. I guess I'll follow the lead of my idol, rk.

Gt4addict's setup:

Spring Rate 10.4/12.0
Ride Height 100/102
Bound 7/9
Rebound 4/3
Camber 3.5/2.5
Toe 0/-2
Stabilizers 2/6
Initial tourque 5/7
LMS Accel. 10/45
LMS Deccel. 5/8

Pete

I must be careful to not to offend my retinue. So long as it we act in the interests of the community and someone learns something, I can't complain. But, tell us, if you may, do you have a link to that tune (offsite, I assume) or could you describe its sensation or orientation, because in my experience, GT4addict is notorious for posting rehashed GT3 tunes; but perhaps things have changed.

 

[Duke]

Boys, can we play nice please? Thanks.

 

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After trying both setups and trying to tweak them to my liking, I finally gave up went with stock suspension and lsd, and used this:

asm-o: 0
ams-u:20
tcs: 0

brakes
F : 10
R : 24

may sound nuts to some but this is so far the only way I've found this car to be fun and it looks cool sliding round corners with smoke billowing from the tyres when everyone else is driving like on rails.

still i can only really drive it in practice mode, cause if theres cars in my slide path i go way off course!

im going to start slowly tweaking settings until its more raceable but until then at least its fun.

 

[bobshoy]

Yeah, it was my favourite car in GT2 also, and actually handled quite nicely. Was a bit of a shock to the system trying to race it in the 2nd German Comp in the Euro events. Major understeer, I'll note some of these set-ups down, and give em a go, and reply back here with what I've noticed.

Also, I'm a bit of a noober, when someone says "move it four clicks up" does that just mean press the button four times?

 

[rk]

Also, I'm a bit of a noober, when someone says "move it four clicks up" does that just mean press the button four times?

All settings are adjusted incrementally, even they are slide scales there is a finite number of stops. The each progression through the stops is a "click", it could be considered akin to the movement of a second hand in a watch.