RUF, RUF, and more RUF

[LaBounti]

"most Porsches are 4WD"

You mean most are not.

 

[PMental]

Yes it went of 1000hp with the stage 4 in GT3. Given the RGT is a NA car I always thought that was silly. I'm glad to see in GT4 you can't pack turbos onto the RGT. It only goes up to 600ps or so with NA upgrades and various engine mods.

But again people, just because you can laod all sorts of stupid power into a car doesn't mean you should. Learn to drive first.

While you make a lot of sense with your comment on that people should learn to drive before putting 1000bhp on a car and crashing it then stating "it sucks", why shouldn't you be able to turbocharge NA engines? It's done all the time... even the very carefully tuned V-TEC engines of Honda's models get turbocharged now and then. It's probably hard to get right, but why shouldn't it be an option in GT4?

 

[veilsidebr]

I recently got a movie from a buddy, it is of a Ruf CTR Yellow Bird on a 6.?? lap of the Nurburgring, in car camera, it is absolutely awesome.

I had seen it before, ages ago and had been trying to get a copy for ages with no luck.

My buddie downloaded it from somewhere on the net but I don't know where !

I can't put it up, it's about 13mb and I don't have a fast connection.

I hope someone can find it and stick it up here, if no one does I'll work something out and find someone with a fast connection !

Stefan Roser driving, Porsche Test driver, he was more fun driving instead of trying to get the best time.

His lap was not in the house of 6"xx by far. About 8"xx as he lost many time in those drifts and as it wasn´t his intention to get the best time.

 

[HYBRIDLVR]

Cause PD is keeping it real! You can't Turbo Charge all NA endgines because of compression ratio's on a lot of them, Some you can but they will need a Super High Octane gasoline to keep them from Pinging! That octane would be equivalent to Airplane gas, It could get pretty expensive unless your super succesful in racing! And some engines can't handle the massive Turbo Boost all at once, There's a lot to consider when adding a Turbo to a engine, You don't just bolt it on!

 

[kensei]

While you make a lot of sense with your comment on that people should learn to drive before putting 1000bhp on a car and crashing it then stating "it sucks", why shouldn't you be able to turbocharge NA engines? It's done all the time... even the very carefully tuned V-TEC engines of Honda's models get turbocharged now and then. It's probably hard to get right, but why shouldn't it be an option in GT4?

The RGT is Ruf's NA 996 based car. The R-Turbo (which isn't in GT4) is their turbo 996 based car.

Do what you like with turbos, etc....I know it's done. My point is that it isn't done to the RGT in real life, I'm glad it isn't done in game to the RGT too.

 

[Martinmaxx]

Stefan Roser driving, Porsche Test driver, he was more fun driving instead of trying to get the best time.

His lap was not in the house of 6"xx by far. About 8"xx as he lost many time in those drifts and as it wasn´t his intention to get the best time.

See post nbr. 12 on this thread...

 

[kensei]

Stefan Roser driving, Porsche Test driver, he was more fun driving instead of trying to get the best time.

His lap was not in the house of 6"xx by far. About 8"xx as he lost many time in those drifts and as it wasn´t his intention to get the best time.

Stefan Roser driving, Ruf Test driver....

 

[veilsidebr]

Stefan Roser driving, Ruf Test driver....

Ya said wrong. No probl.

Indeed, it´s a nice video.

 

[KSaiyu]

The only problem I'm having from my RGT is turn-in understeer, which I'm trying to tune out. I think I've spent the most tuning time on the RGT, it's so different to other cars.

 

[kensei]

The only problem I'm having from my RGT is turn-in understeer, which I'm trying to tune out. I think I've spent the most tuning time on the RGT, it's so different to other cars.

Understeer? On the RGT? Huh? Now the CTR2 understeers like a champ. You need to adjust your braking for the car. BUT! The RGT, CTR, BTR are all massive oversteer'ers (not ever a word I know). The 911/RR base, with all the weight in the back lends nicely to this.

The only understeer I can think of happens in the CTR/BTR due to the weight shift to the back of the car when on the gas which unweights the front wheels. So if you try to take a high speed corner fully on the throttle (i.e. Schwedenkreuz or Antoniusbuche on the Nordschelife, the 130r at Suzuka or even the final corner at Tsukuba) and aren't set up properly for it you will understeer off the circuit. Older RR Porsches/Rufs require a slower turn in, but you can get on the gas earlier once the backend comes around.

However, the RGT does not suffer from the above. It has pretty neutral handing.

Try going into the corner slower, 10-20kph (maybe more if it is a high speed corner) slower than you would with an FR. Let the back end start to swing out just a bit thus tweaking the apex of the corner for your car and then get on the gas. If you run your RGT against a similar power FR ghost you will see you gain alot of time out of the corner. Even against something like the all mighty Skyline R34 and it's mega AWD grip out of a corner...the RGT should hang with it.

If you care to learn how to drive a RR car try the VW Karmann Ghia or Original Beetle with N1 or N2 tires. Both are slow enough that you won't get yourself into much trouble, but your learn to control the backend of the car and it's weight shifts. The Subaru 360 is another good car to learn this with. Tsukuba is a great track to learn it on too....

In fact Tsukuba is a track you can learn alot of things on in almost any car.

 

[Omnis]

ahhh, i knew kensei would come to save the day.

 

[Scaff]

I love how you argue RUF as not being a tuner.

Lets put it this way, how many years did RUF spend developing each new 911 to modify...none last time I checked. Where would they be if Porsche didn't exist...um, they wouldn't either.

RUF is no different than Nismo or Mazdaspeed. The only difference is lack of factory support. If you are too ignorant to acknowledge this too bad. You can argue whatever you want but this is the base truth. This is the last I'll speak on this.

If this was directed at me, then first re-read my post.

I did not say that RUF were not a tuner. I said than they are not simply a tuning company.

If this is the last you will speak of this, then thats fine by me. Quite enough spurious rubbish has already been said about RUF.

RUF are very, very different to Nismo or Mazdaspeed; you ask where RUF would be without Porsche, well probably basing their cars on Merc's or Audi's. Fact remains they would still be RUF's.

Are you aware that RUF have existed as a company for over 60years, or that they have been working on components for Porsche models for since 1974.

If the only part of the car you start with is the chassis (and that can be modified) and all the components you fit are RUF parts, then the end result is an RUF, not a Porsche. The main reason that the original body shape is retained (but generally re-built in lighter materials) is beacuse the hard work with aerodynamics has already been done, and it gives an recognisable shape.

Porsche's that have been tuned by RUF still carry the Porsche badge, but on an RUF model you will not find a single Porsche badge. The cars will carry a Porsche chassis number (simply because thats who manufactured the original chassis), but they also carry an RUF chassis number.

RUF are not simply recognised as a manufacturer due to the changes they make to a base car, but are acredited under Germany law as a manufacturer and the products they make are subject to the same TUV accreditation process as any other manufacturer.

You acuse other people of being ignorant, but have blatently not bothered looking into RUF in detail, despite the fact that I did the (not) hard work and gave you a link to the RUF website, who also disagree with your view of the company. Who knows, maybe you know more about RUF than they do.

 

[kensei]

Click here for a visit to the Ruf factory/Shell station.

It has lots of pretty pictures that even those of you who refuse to take the effort to read will get the point of Ruf's manufacturing and how it relates to Porsche. If you actually read the text on the page you will learn more.

BTW, that CTR is an actual GTP members CTR....lucky bastard! (You hear me Adam!)

Click here for the Ruf History as written by Ruf themselves (warning...actual reading and thinking required).

Or you can just click the link in my signature and look around the Ruf site.

I wish we could just sticky a "Ruf...all you need to know" thread. Every few months this SAME thing pops up.

 

[Scaff]

Click here for a visit to the Ruf factory/Shell station.

It has lots of pretty pictures that even those of you who refuse to take the effort to read will get the point of Ruf's manufacturing and how it relates to Porsche. If you actually read the text on the page you will learn more.

BTW, that CTR is an actual GTP members CTR....lucky bastard! (You hear me Adam!)

Click here for the Ruf History as written by Ruf themselves (warning...actual reading and thinking required).

Or you can just click the link in my signature and look around the Ruf site.

Nice stuff Kensei

 

[kensei]

Nice stuff Kensei

Thanks...love your signature BTW....poor Ralphie.

 

[veilsidebr]

Thanks...love your signature BTW....poor Ralphie.

EDITED, quoted wrong

 

[veilsidebr]

About Scaff´s signature.


hahaha i had read that sometime ago. She said it could be due to the new Toyota minvan he own from Toyota, that he wasn´t used to the car yet.

This sounds strange to be because for a good driver, even a truck looks like easy to drive. When u have the spirit of driving, it´s just a question of few laps or few time to get the "hands" of the equipment, thing that for a mere mortal or a normal person who is not good at driving, would last many time or forever.

 

[kensei]

hahaha i had read that sometime ago. She said it could be due to the new Toyota minvan he own from Toyota, that he wasn´t used to the car yet.

This sounds strange to be because for a good driver, even a truck looks like easy to drive. When u have the spirit of driving, it´s just a mere of few laps or few time to get the "hands" of the equipment, thing that for a mere mortal or a normal person who is not good at driving, would last many time or forever.

Race driving is not street driving and honestly given some of Raplhie's performances on the track...it doesn't surprise me that he drives like a girl on the street.

I've warmed to Raplhie over the past year, in fact I'd add him to my top five drivers in F1 (stoked for Toyota this year Truilli, my #1 and Raplhie are a good team)...but he is very emotional and makes stupid mistakes.

The image of Raplhie parallel parking a Toyota mini van is just too funny.

 

[veilsidebr]

Race driving is not street driving and honestly given some of Raplhie's performances on the track...it doesn't surprise me that he drives like a girl on the street.

I've warmed to Raplhie over the past year, in fact I'd add him to my top five drivers in F1 (stoked for Toyota this year Truilli, my #1 and Raplhie are a good team)...but he is very emotional and makes stupid mistakes.

The image of Raplhie parallel parking a Toyota mini van is just too funny.

If u race car drive, for sure u street car drive.

He didn´t started to drive in F1, so for sure he knows how to drive street cars. Anyway, even having 7 gears semi-automatic 900hp, or 5 manual 100hp, it´s the same concept, of course conditions change(obviously).

BTW "The image of Raplhie parallel parking a Toyota mini van is just too funny" , do u have this image, picture or video, or it´s just a form of saying of u?

 

[kensei]

BTW "The image of Raplhie parallel parking a Toyota mini van is just too funny" , do u have this image, picture or video, or it´s just a form of saying of u?

Just an expression...though if anyone has photos, post them. We can all laugh.

 

[Scaff]

Just an expression...though if anyone has photos, post them. We can all laugh.

From Sniffpetrol.com

 

[LFRANCOF483]

I was wondering what some of you are using, as far as settings and modifications go, on your RUF's to get:
1. Max Speed
2. Best Handling

Also, I was curious if the over all handling has improved on the RUF's.....I know on GT3 the general theme was understeer (depending if you had the correct tires), from the fact that most Porsches are 4WD.

Also any additional thoughts on RUF

dont know if anyone else pointed this out, but i didn't want to look through tthe whole tread....

most porsches are AWD? don't think so, Carrera, GT1, GT2, Turbo, Carrera 4s, GT3, Carrera GT, as far as i know, the only AWD ones are the Turbo and 4s, except the Cayenne, but that's not a real Porsche

 

[kensei]

From Sniffpetrol.com

I'm not slamming Toyota here (so all you toyota fan-boys chill). Well maybe a little...they make such BOOOORRRRRRIIIIINNNNNGGGGG cars. I've driven a few (rentals) and they are perfectly fine, just boring.

But given F1 drivers usually get top end cars from their given makes look at this list (I'm just think what respective drivers could choose);
-Rubens/MS - Pretty much anything Ferarri = cool, though I doubt poor old Rubens gets an Enzo or even a choice. "You'll get the Fiat Panda Rubens and you'll LIKE it!"
-JPM/Kimi - Not my taste but a SLR ain't to bad, nor is an old Mclaren F1 (Ron has to have some laying around, at least for Kimi) or even a one of the SLKs from Merc
-Sato/Button - Ok Honda makes boring cars too, but anything type-r should be fun and the NSX or S2000 ain't shabby
-Weber/Quick Nick - I'd take a M3 GTR, M6, M3 CSL...even a Z4
-Alonso/Fisi - Clios ain't too bad

But Toyota.....What do Truili and Raplhie get mini vans or pickups? You couldn't give me a Supra....good for Truili he isn't into road cars and Raplhie has his minivan.

Just funny, though I do hope Toyota does well this year...which i think they will (well better than in the past)

 

[Scaff]

"You'll get the Fiat Panda Rubens and you'll LIKE it!"

Like it, LOL.

I do believe that Button, has (or had) an NSX, lucky SOB.

BTW kensei, watch it I drive a Celica and its damn good fun and after all it did provide the engine and gearbox to the new Elise; but you are right the majority of the range is very, very well built and very, very dull.

 

[kensei]

Like it, LOL.

I do believe that Button, has (or had) an NSX, lucky SOB.

BTW kensei, watch it I drive a Celica and its damn good fun and after all it did provide the engine and gearbox to the new Elise; but you are right the majority of the range is very, very well built and very, very dull.

I think it is his Daddy's car. I remember reading last season in F1 magazine, the one with Ant Davidson driving the yellow NSX that his dad drives Button's NSX and has knocked the suspension to hell.

BTW kensei, watch it I drive a Celica and its damn good fun and after all it did provide the engine and gearbox to the new Elise; but you are right the majority of the range is very, very well built and very, very dull.

Ya, Toyota makes good stuff. Look at their engines in racing. Look at what they have done in NASCAR thus far. Old Rally cars, etc etc....no doubt they can make good stuff and supply others with good stuff...

But ya...looking at the '05 Toyota line...there is absolutely nothing in it to get excited about. I'm in the process of car shopping and Toyota was one of the first I looked at based on their build quality and such. I managed to last all of 20mins at a Toyota dealer before I got bored to death and went home.

And to bring this thread evenly remote back to topic (very remotely)...I recently read (in Evo or Top Gear magazine, I think) that Toyota is working with Porsche to develop a hybrid engine (based on the Prius technology) for the Cayenne for '07.

Kinda cool. Oh ya, I think I may be the only Porsche fan to like the Cayenne. If I HAD to buy a SUV it would be a Cayenne.

Oh and to bring this back full circle, back to Ruf...

If you read though the link I posted with all the Ruf pictures it mentions that Ruf is working on a new Ruf model based on the Cayenne.

 

[joid]

ok guys i'm an idiot.....MOST PORSCHES ARE NOT 4WD

 

[joid]

So what are you getting for top speeds on your RUF's??????

 

[kensei]

So what are you getting for top speeds on your RUF's??????

No clue, I haven't tried yet...though I will say stock, or in arcade the CTR is the fastest. It is one of the few normal cars I've been driving to go over (well over) 300kph on the long straight on the end of the Nordschleife. Most other normal cars I've been driving (stock or arcade, skylines, M3s, RGT) struggle to break the 270kph mark.

Though dead stock and in a straight line the CTR2 should be the fastest Ruf, with the CTR close behind then further away the RGT and BTR close to each other and the 3400s close behind them.

Tuned the RGT and the BTR have the most possibilities. Of the two the BTR should be fastest on a circuit since it is the only Ruf you can add a wing to for adjustable downforce an it goes well over 700ps and well under 1000kg.

 

[Dave A]

Just to clear up why Ruf's cars are not tuned Porsches. Ruf like many other companies buys certain parts from another manufacturers assembly line, depeding on the model in question these parts are generally the body, chassis and engine (athough in the R50 EVERYTHING is made by Ruf). These parts are not part of any car when bought, they arn't even assigned to any car. So there is no base car to be tuned, it's like the Vauxhall VX220 (Opel Speedster), same chassis and suspension as the lotus Elise, different car, the chasis was never part of a Lotus Elise so althouh the chassis is THE SAME as, it's not A Lotus Elise's chassis. Some Elise's use Toyota engines, that doesn't make them tuned Toyota's. The Aston Martin DB7 had many Ford sourced parts, it was still an Aston Martin.

I think the best example is that of SEAT and Volkswagen, SEATS and VW's are essentially the same car, the Ibiza is the same chassis and engine as the Polo, the Cordoba same as the Golf ect, theres differences to the setup ie stiffer springs on one, different interior trim. But they are esentially the same mechanically. However a SEAT Ibiza is not a tuned Polo and SEAT are not a tuner company. I've said it many times before, if Ruf used different body shells this argument would NEVER arise, so you can take your Ruf is a tuner bull and kindly shove it.

 

[McLaren]

TO go with this, RUF is actually Ruf. The letters are not all capatilized.