RUF, RUF, and more RUF

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amp88
pretty much any of the caterfields,
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Is a Caterfield the result of an unholy union between a Caterham and a Westfield?

But that aside, you have a very good point, while any 911 will be quick around just about any track, it is not a track-day car specifically.
 
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Is a Caterfield the result of an unholy union between a Caterham and a Westfield?

But that aside, you have a very good point, while any 911 will be quick around just about any track, it is not a track-day car specifically.
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Heh, sadly not, just a quicker way of saying "Caterhams and Westfields". I first read it over at jackals-forge
 
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Amp88 beat me to it .. I had just read the "911 is the ultimate track car" statement and was going to reflex type "Other than Chimera's, Griffith's, Cerbera's, Tuscan's, Tamora's ... " but thankfully my eyes continued reading before I, redundantly, hit the keyboard :D.

I'll always remember seeing a track test a few years ago with a Viper, a Vantage, an Esprit, a Caterham, a 911 and a Cerbera - guess which one ate all the others alive?
 
Porsche's track car is the GT3 anyway....the Carrera S is the high perfornace daily driver, it can do track work...but not like the GT3 can.

Take a Porsche, from a dealer, and a Ruf to a track...chances are the Ruf (based on the same Porsche model) will domiante the Porsche...
 
^ dominate and then some !
I've seen the comparison video between factory porsches and Rufs....amazing. I wish I still had the video ( it was from 2000 or 2001 ) it was my co-workers video from a company I used to work for...
 
kensei
Porsche's track car is the GT3 anyway....the Carrera S is the high perfornace daily driver, it can do track work...but not like the GT3 can.

Take a Porsche, from a dealer, and a Ruf to a track...chances are the Ruf (based on the same Porsche model) will domiante the Porsche...
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Depends wholly on driver though buddy, the number of times i have been overtaken by a less powerful porsche.... :dunce:

Just to ask a question, but do you guys on GTplanet view RUF as being linked with the nurburgring through the faszination video and Stefans sideways antics?

all the best
adam
 
Adamt
Depends wholly on driver though buddy, the number of times i have been overtaken by a less powerful porsche.... :dunce:

Just to ask a question, but do you guys on GTplanet view RUF as being linked with the nurburgring through the faszination video and Stefans sideways antics?

all the best
adam
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Well of course alot comes down to the driver...but you can't argue that the Ruf, compared to it's base Porsche cousin..is the more performance oriented car. If not Ruf isn't doing their job.

Ruf and the Nordschleife are linked for me, as they are many people. Alot of people's first exposure to Ruf was the "faszination" video. That is where I first heard of the make well before I ever played the GT series.

Doesn't Ruf consider the Nordschleife their 'test track", as much as public road can be.
 
Cybermonkey24
You take any new standard Porsche 911 Carrera S from the factory, put it on any track in any part of the world, and it will feel like its been doing the same routine for years.. To put it simply , the most devastating track day machine straight from the showroom for decent money has to be the Carrera S. In RUF form, they are generally untouchable. Talk of understeer is nonsense, knowing how to hold the car through the apex is key for the ultimate time possible. They can drift with the best of them, and oversteer heavily, but still very controllable.
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Hey, you don't have to tell me that, I love Porsches (especially the GT3 RS which I'm lucky enough to be able to look at a nearby Dealer). I'm just stating that if you compare the RUF in GT4 to any other 400 HP car (like I have), you will get more understeer under turn in. While it isn't as bad as "average" cars, if you're going for fastest possible lap times the RUF can't cut it - unless it's a track with few corners and has decent straights so it can make it up on exits of corners.

Don't misunderstand me, I'm not bashing the RUF, I'm just pointing out it's weakness compared to the other GT4 cars of around the same performance level. Once I get the suspension set up though, it should hopefully cure part of the problem.
 
KSaiyu
if you're going for fastest possible lap times the RUF can't cut it - unless it's a track with few corners and has decent straights so it can make it up on exits of corners.
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To each their own I suppose. Pick any circuit vs any other car with silimar weight and power and the RGT will be faster.

I see you aren't bashing the RGT...but frankly if you are getting fast times with the RGT, don't blame the car....look at your driving style.

Some people just can't drive RR cars...they don't suit their style.
 
hehe, how about we both take an RGT stock against a FR stock and see the times? This isn't a competition or anything, I just want to see if it is my driving style with RR cars and how different the times are. You can name the FR car and track if you want :)
 
KSaiyu
hehe, how about we both take an RGT stock against a FR stock and see the times? This isn't a competition or anything, I just want to see if it is my driving style with RR cars and how different the times are. You can name the FR car and track if you want :)
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Remind me next week. I'll gladly do it...

But I'm thinking something like we run Tsukuba, 10 laps with each car. You pick 3 FRs with similar power and weight to a stock RGT. We run N2 tires only and compare.

I'm finishing up a tire testing thing that I will post in the the coming few days. Running real world power/weight cars with N1-S3 ties to see what is 'real".
 
amp88
I couldn't disagree much more with you. I'm a big Porsche fan, always have been, always will be, but to suggest that a vanilla carrera s is "the most devastating track day machine straight from the show room for decent money" is bordering on insanity. Ok, so the brakes, engine, suspension etc are all strong and of a high standard, but the s isn't meant as a track day car. You can buy several cars straight from the showroom that will destroy a carrera s on most tracks. A few examples would be Radical SR3 (or the SR8 (even better)), pretty much any of the caterfields, elises/exiges, a large proportion of the TVR family, etc...

The carrera s is just too heavy to be a "devastating track day machine"
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WTF, a Carrera S will easily beat an Exige round the track,let alone an elise. And besides, how many of those cars i mentioned would you be quite happily to drive home in on normal, pot-holed, busy roads?? I certainly wouldnt want the Exige, just for the fact it has no view at the rear, as for the others, they are specific track warriors, and that was not the point i was making. I was simply stating that to be able to go out and purchase an everyday car, and be able to use it on the track and beat most things going, the Carrera S is a damn good purchase.
 
Cybermonkey24
WTF, a Carrera S will easily beat an Exige round the track,let alone an elise.
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depends on the track...

Cybermonkey24
And besides, how many of those cars i mentioned would you be quite happily to drive home in on normal, pot-holed, busy roads??
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I agree there. The Carrera S is my ultimate real world daily driver weekend track car...if I was to go buy a Porsche tomorrow...it would be a 997 Carrera S in black....
 
Cybermonkey24
WTF, a Carrera S will easily beat an Exige round the track,let alone an elise. And besides, how many of those cars i mentioned would you be quite happily to drive home in on normal, pot-holed, busy roads?? I certainly wouldnt want the Exige, just for the fact it has no view at the rear, as for the others, they are specific track warriors, and that was not the point i was making. I was simply stating that to be able to go out and purchase an everyday car, and be able to use it on the track and beat most things going, the Carrera S is a damn good purchase.
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The Carrera S is a good purchase for a useable car thats good on a track, but theres far better like a Cerbera 4.5 red rose which is as much a 4 seater as the 911 is, theres far faster cars that cost a lot less, what you said before was "To put it simply , the most devastating track day machine straight from the showroom for decent money has to be the Carrera S. " you didn't mention it as a daily drivers car too. Besides a TVR T350 could beat it on a track and theyre almost 20k cheaper.

And no, on most circuits the Carrera S would NOT beat a Lotus Exige, the Exige would hand the Carrera's ass to it.
 
live4speed
The Carrera S is a good purchase for a useable car thats good on a track, but theres far better like a Cerbera 4.5 red rose which is as much a 4 seater as the 911 is, theres far faster cars that cost a lot less, what you said before was "To put it simply , the most devastating track day machine straight from the showroom for decent money has to be the Carrera S. " you didn't mention it as a daily drivers car too. Besides a TVR T350 could beat it on a track and theyre almost 20k cheaper.

And no, on most circuits the Carrera S would NOT beat a Lotus Exige, the Exige would hand the Carrera's ass to it.
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You mean mega twisty tracks like the MOTOR PCOTY track, where the Carrera came out on top, above the Exige? Besides, you wouldnt have an arse left after driving a T350 on normal roads :lol:
 
I'm not diputing that the Carrera is great compared to other sportscars for road driving, it's more comfy than any TVR anyway.

As for the Carrera S vs the Exige, I don't know about the test you talk of, but on the TopGear test track the Exige beat the 911 GT3's time let alone the Carrera S, the only 911 thats done a time there to beat the Exige is the GT3 RS. And that tracks a mix of speed and tight corners, it was designed to test cars in all areas.
https://www.gtplanet.net/forum/showthread.php?t=54757
 
Cybermonkey24
WTF, a Carrera S will easily beat an Exige round the track,let alone an elise. And besides, how many of those cars i mentioned would you be quite happily to drive home in on normal, pot-holed, busy roads?? I certainly wouldnt want the Exige, just for the fact it has no view at the rear, as for the others, they are specific track warriors, and that was not the point i was making. I was simply stating that to be able to go out and purchase an everyday car, and be able to use it on the track and beat most things going, the Carrera S is a damn good purchase.
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You've blatantly just changed your argument. Anyway...the ultimate combination of performance at the track and comfort on the way home would have to be towing an F1 car with a CL65 :p

I agree with you that the Carrera S is a good all-rounder in terms of performance (both on the road and track) and comfort, but your original point (as "live4speed has already pointed out :) ) was that the Carrera S was a devastating track day machine for the money, which just isn't the case. You can get so many more efficient track performers for less.
 
kensei
ya but they aren't RR Porsches.....

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Fair enough, but that wasn't a stipulation... ;)

If I'd to have a 'reasonably' priced Porsche for track day use, I reckon it'd be a 968CS or perhaps a 911 GT1 👍
 
Liveforspeed wrote

"Besides a TVR T350 could beat it on a track and theyre almost 20k cheaper."

That's if you can get it to start up :)

I remember going to see the first T350 straight from blackpool at my local TVR Dealer. You have'nt seen anything like it, No quality control, gaps between the rear screen and back swage line were diabolical. And the dealer was trying to take orders from this example. 👎

Back on topic: what colour would you all choose on the RS blue or red? Blue for me
 
CATERHAM! FEAR THE CAT SEVEN!

especially the R500 superlight evolution, 0-60 in 3.2 (I believe, i could be wrong and I admit that so no flamage req'd) and handling that would make other cars hang their heads in shame. So low to the ground you can hang your arm out the side and drag your knuckles on the ground.

I admit, top speed isn't too good, but I think it more than makes up for it. When I get one, I hope to drop a turboed v-6 in it, just to try it on. As soon as that powerball kicks in...

A TRUE track car, you WILL hear of The Cat again.

I have no life.
 
Ever seen a Westfield with a Vauxhall 1.6 and 2.0 engine? 1.6 can produce 250bhp with throttle bodies, means an extremely lightweight package with a 10k rev limit, and the 2.0 with 290bhp is crazy. There are Vauxhall Corsa's with these engines :|
 
Continuing the talk of Caterhams, here's a slightly old video (2001) of an R500 at the Nurburgring. From the video, the car weighs 460kilos and the engine produces 235bhp. Apologies for the RM (spit!) file format and slightly poor video & audio quality, but it's a good video nonetheless.

Caterham R500 Nurburgring

To get us back onto the Ruf discussion, here's a short video of an R Turbo 'drag-racing' an Ultima. I believe a member of this board is the driver of the R Turbo 👍

Again, apologies for the WMV file format (spit! spit!) and the low quality.

Ruf R Turbo vs Ultima
 
I apologise for my attitude to those who i answered to. Very silly of me to rattle on about a car i have never even driven. I have a rather limited experience of driving cars, but like to think i know a fair bit about Vauxhalls :lol: I have driven a Vauxhall Corsa Arizona 1.2 8v, a Ford Galaxy 2.3, Vauxhall Corsa Sport 1.6 16v , Ford Focus ST170 and also a Peugeot 205 1.9 Diesel, and also a 205 1.1 Look. :(

Dave
 
Most guy's who's wrong about something or not, They never apologise and leave it in limbo instead, Your a Kool Stand up guy Dave! 👍 👍 👍
 
amp88
[To get us back onto the Ruf discussion, here's a short video of an R Turbo 'drag-racing' an Ultima. I believe a member of this board is the driver of the R Turbo 👍

Again, apologies for the WMV file format (spit! spit!) and the low quality.

Ruf R Turbo vs Ultima
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Yes that was a fun race, the ultima was also geared to 160mph, to fully maximise the acceleration, and we were still able to beat him, 👍 (just)

all the best
adam
 
OfUnknownOrgin
CATERHAM! FEAR THE CAT SEVEN!

especially the R500 superlight evolution, 0-60 in 3.2 (I believe, i could be wrong and I admit that so no flamage req'd) and handling that would make other cars hang their heads in shame. So low to the ground you can hang your arm out the side and drag your knuckles on the ground.

I admit, top speed isn't too good, but I think it more than makes up for it. When I get one, I hope to drop a turboed v-6 in it, just to try it on. As soon as that powerball kicks in...

A TRUE track car, you WILL hear of The Cat again.

I have no life.
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R500 Evo has a top speed of 150 mph, nothing wrong with that at all, when you consider its hardly an aerodynamic masterpiece.

BTW Unless the V6 turbo you went for was particularly small and lightweight it would not fit (unless you went for a widebodied SV) and would more than likely damage the cars balance. Caterhams work best with small capacity/high output 4 pot engines. Remember keep it light, thats what gives it the edge.
 

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