Sciaru BRZFRS (BreezeFrees)

  • Thread starter Thread starter Azuremen
  • 5,613 comments
  • 438,116 views
I'm a car enthusiast and the only thing that springs to mind when I hear "Sprinter" is the Mercedes-Benz city van...

But Trueno would indeed be nice.
 
Courtesy of the FT86Club Forums:

attachment.php


attachment.php


attachment.php


attachment.php


attachment.php


attachment.php


unled1v.jpg


My favorite:

2n8r7fr.png
 
Last edited:
Azuremen
The thing is, the IS300 is quite different from the Altezza, same with the SC300. Different engines, interior bits, some cases suspension. The 350Z and Fairlady is much closer.

I think its more just people still holding onto the AE86 that annoys me at this point though - it just isn't a special car really.
Click to expand...

Toyota are bringing out a successor to the AE86, and you're annoyed that people are holding on to the AE86:lol: because you think it's not special. Maybe it's because there's lot's of people that think it is special.

The Altezza AS200 and Lexus IS200 are Identical, besides the badges, grill and a few small things to suit the rules of different countries, like the round lights on the boot door are fog lights on the Lexus and brake lights on the Toyota. I find it annoying when I see people here, have Toyota Altezzas and they put Lexus badges on them.
 
Last edited:
eight6er
The Altezza AS200 and Lexus IS200 are Identical, besides the badges, grill and a few small things to suit the rules of different countries, like the round lights on the boot door are fog lights on the Lexus and brake lights on the Toyota. I find it annoying when I see people here, have Toyota Altezzas and they put Lexus badges on them.
Click to expand...

The IS200 was never sold in the States, keep that in mind.

The AE86 was only special in the sense that it was cheap. Solid rear axle, relatively underpowered, eh brakes, etc. Better cars existed at the time in a similar segment, and the Civic Si is simply faster around a track. Now you can get a Miata or MR2 for less than an AE86 and have an all around better platform to work off of.

It was neat. 20 years ago.
 
Azuremen
If anyone calls this a Trueno around me, I'll punch them. Repeatedly. Just like when people call their IS300 an Altezza or their SC300 a Soarer and so on.
Click to expand...

Welcome to my second-biggest past pet peeve of working at the Lexus dealer. :indiff: You can't say "Celsior" in English with a straight face. You can't.

On topic, gimme one in Electric Wasabi, please. Failing that, resurrect Thundercloud Metallic.
 
Am I the only one furious at the thought of the US getting the FT-86 branded as a Scion? I'm already annoyed to hell with Scion to begin with (and that annoying jingle they have), it always came off as a brand with cars for useless hipsters that like to make hidious modifications and blast 50 cent everywhere they go and now Toyota has the idiotic nerve to even consider badging this car with that damn brand? Hell the 🤬 no 👎

Pupik
Welcome to my second-biggest past pet peeve of working at the Lexus dealer. :indiff: You can't say "Celsior" in English with a straight face. You can't.
Click to expand...

Burn them, with fire.
 
Meh, I agree, somewhat and only consider SCION a toyota division for kids. I think we'll be more pissed when the car comes out and the visual styling is cut back a lot or the the price jumps up. I see the car shown above and have a hard time believing toyota will release something like that.
 
eSZee
Meh, I agree, somewhat and only consider SCION a toyota division for kids. I think we'll be more pissed when the car comes out and the visual styling is cut back a lot or the the price jumps up. I see the car shown above and have a hard time believing toyota will release something like that.
Click to expand...

At the same time though, does that car exude anything "scion" about it? For me its like looking at the LF-A: I still find it hard to grasp that its a Lexus and not a Toyota. Thats what upsets me abit is there are clearly two cars that could've easily gave Toyota back sporting cred but they instead waste it on bland brands. If I saw that car and didn't know who made it, first name that would strike me is Toyota.
 
Hate to say it but Id never buy a scion. The brand marketing killed it for me, 30y/o usa 2011 si owner. :lol:

The subaru would be a purchase for sure. :trouble: May well be too!?
 
RACECAR
At the same time though, does that car exude anything "scion" about it? For me its like looking at the LF-A: I still find it hard to grasp that its a Lexus and not a Toyota. Thats what upsets me abit is there are clearly two cars that could've easily gave Toyota back sporting cred but they instead waste it on bland brands. If I saw that car and didn't know who made it, first name that would strike me is Toyota.
Click to expand...

Scion = for the kiddies, toyota = for the geezers. There is no toyota in that car. It would be a good car to start changing the image but toyota started scion for that reason.
 
No doubt, all Silvia's were special, Nissan needs to build a light fuel friendly RWD car to go along with their gas guzzleing sports cars, then they got the market covered as far as performance car segment goes.
 
Jim Prower
What would it hurt if THEY called it that? I mean...I'll call it a Scion Alphabet Soup if it ends up being one, but why can't they use that name? It's got a TON of marketing value with the target demographic.
Click to expand...
Nobody is going to get fooled. The core group of buyers for this car will be closer to 30 than 20, if not older, because they can afford a new car and the full-coverage insurance that comes with it. Half of them will be women. Same thing with the rest of the Scion line. Generally, young car guys like myself simply aren't interested in new cars because they're too expensive, you need full coverage, they're so complex we don't know how and can't afford to work on them ourselves, and we can't work on them anyway for warranty concerns.

Anybody with half a brain knows this car has nothing in common with the AE86 except a relatively low price, which is good because the Corolla was a piece of junk, but bad because the price is relative to new, i.e. expensive cars.
 
Price wise, it's probably going to be great in two to three years when you can get your hands on a used FT-86. Until then it's going to be out of range for most people in their twenties, I guess. I know it'll be that way, for me :lol:

occasionalracer
No doubt, all Silvia's were special, Nissan needs to build a light fuel friendly RWD car to go along with their gas guzzleing sports cars, then they got the market covered as far as performance car segment goes.
Click to expand...
Agreed...

JaiAE86
I don't think they can beat the looks of the S15 when it comes to Silvia's.
Click to expand...
Agreed, too.

If the FT-86 is a really big hit, it might just happen, I think. Use it as a basis for a convertible and you'd be able to compete with the Miata as well.
That's just wishful thinking though. But if they could menage to start snagging some sales from cars like the VW Scirocco or the Golf GTI, who knows what'll happen.
 
eSZee
Scion = for the kiddies, toyota = for the geezers. There is no toyota in that car. It would be a good car to start changing the image but toyota started scion for that reason.
Click to expand...

Scion's sales are down presently so was this a good decision? Were the sales ever good? If they weren't, then Toyota has once again wasted its time.
 
Scion's sales were fantastic when the original xB was still on sale and the tC was new. Those two models alone were pulling in nearly 150k sales a year for a couple of years.


The redesigned xB drove away most of the sales the original had, and the tC crashed hard in 2008 or so.
 
Toronado
Scion's sales were fantastic when the original xB was still on sale and the tC was new. Those two models alone were pulling in nearly 150k sales a year for a couple of years.


The redesigned xB drove away most of the sales the original had, and the tC crashed hard in 2008 or so.
Click to expand...

I've been amazed by how poorly the new xB has sold, particularly when Scion was so happy to tell us that it was, "redesigned by and for current owners." To be honest, it isn't a terrible way of getting a semi-affordable way to transport a lot of crap, but it isn't anywhere near as awesome as it's predecessor. Increasing the chassis size and giving it the powerplant out of the Camry was a bad idea.

I'm interested to see how well the new tC will sell. I find it to be a clever car, coming from an ST204 owner. The rear seats are perfect, and I understand they're quite nice to drive. A shame that it isn't RWD to begin with...


Side note: Has anyone else noticed that the Scion iQ hasn't been talked about at all? I mean, they're supposed to be arriving pretty soon...
 
YSSMAN
Side note: Has anyone else noticed that the Scion iQ hasn't been talked about at all? I mean, they're supposed to be arriving pretty soon...
Click to expand...

Been delayed again.
 
It will be like GT5, delayed forever and will arrive disappointing lots of people. :lol:
 
Dan_
It will be like GT5, delayed forever and will arrive disappointing lots of people. :lol:
Click to expand...

People are easy to dissapoint anyhow so what'll be the difference? :lol:
 
YSSMAN
I've been amazed by how poorly the new xB has sold, particularly when Scion was so happy to tell us that it was, "redesigned by and for current owners." To be honest, it isn't a terrible way of getting a semi-affordable way to transport a lot of crap, but it isn't anywhere near as awesome as it's predecessor. Increasing the chassis size and giving it the powerplant out of the Camry was a bad idea.
Click to expand...

The old xB was a clever answer to the Fit class. Same economical engine. Same cheap-to-run ethos. Great space.

The new xB is just a boxy and deformed RAV4. If people wanted something that big and thirsty, they'd have just gone for the RAV4, in the first place...

---

Toyota made the biggest rookie mistake any manufacturer can make when developing a second generation car. It listened to its customers. Focus groups are bunk. When you ask them what they want, they'll always say "more". But the reason they didn't buy a car with more in the first place is because they were happy with what the car offered for the price they paid.

And they're usually very unimaginative. Most customers will buy the same old thing year after year until you present them with something "different but better"... if you ask their opinions about it after they've made the jump to the new paradigm, they'll want things to stay mostly the same... when they could be different yet again, and even better.

---

RE:iQ: Sad... with gas prices as volatile as they are, Scion could move quite a few iQs in the US while waiting for Toyota to give them a hybrid...
 
Last edited:
Seriously, who cares what badge is on it? Some of you sound like total labelwhores with an obvious bias against anything Toyota Motor Company produces.

As a Scion owner, I don't really have a preference; either way it expands the brand's portfolio. Never mind there are probably next to zero standalone Scion stores, they're sold right alongside Camrys and Tundras. Still, there's the feeling within The Company that if it exists as a Toyota, there ought to rightfully be a Lexus alongside of it; this would be a bit of an IS-series challenger or CT-series sales eater within its own ranks.

Rightly or wrongly, Toyota literally sends out surveys for suggestions for the upcoming replacement. On one hand, it shows they listen to thier customers, which has a effect on existing customer base that reinforces that repeat purchase. On the other hand, you might get car that seems like "The Homer" to others.

I like my xD, but I always get the feeling that it was an xB and an xA designed by a committee, which was also why it appealed to me (that, and getting it for a song). It doesn't sell well compared to its brethren, although I confess I like the xB's IKEA-minimalist style of the first redesign (the 2011 teaches grandmothers to suck eggs), if not its performance.
 
Last edited:
Looks like they beat up a BMW 1-series and stole the taillights. Glad to see it still has the channel in the center of the roof, though.
 
No surprise with the down toning. I was reading the last issue of AutoWeek and finally noticed the 20" wheels and 18" carbon ceramic rotors. That alone would amount to almost half the car's ~$25k price tag.
From the above shots however, it looks like the only things left from the NYAS is the shape of the side window frame, and even that looks vertically stretched.
 

Latest Posts

Back