Sciaru BRZFRS (BreezeFrees)

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Kamuifanboy
I dearly hope you are joking. 53k USD for this thing is a bit out of hand. You'd have to be mentally ill to buy it. I highly doubt this is true.
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You realize they pay more for everything in general, right? Because of their taxes, not just because model XYZ is, for some reason, priced much higher.
 
Azuremen
You realize they pay more for everything in general, right? Because of their taxes, not just because model XYZ is, for some reason, priced much higher.
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But 53k? How much is say a 335i in comparison, in the country he is from? The new Coupe starts at 44k in the US. I'm having a hard time believing taxes and import costs would make the car almost double.

I guess a European car isn't a good comparison to a Japanese car. So say a Civic Type R. How much in his country?
 
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Azuremen
You realize they pay more for everything in general, right? Because of their taxes, not just because model XYZ is, for some reason, priced much higher.
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Actually, car prices here in NL are a lot higher than in the rest of the EU (esp. compared to our neighbours Germany and Belgium). And fun cars (read: more emissions) get hit hard in the NL tax system. Importing won't help, since you pay the same taxes (or a percentage, based on the age of the car) on import. :(

Kamuifanboy
But 53k? How much is say a 335i in comparison, in the country he is from? The new Coupe starts at 44k in the US. I'm having a hard time believing taxes and import costs would make the car almost double.

I guess a European car isn't a good comparison to a Japanese car. So say a Civic Type R. How much in his country?
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A base 335i Coupe will set you back 61k euro. A Civic Type R is not available here, yet. But a base Nissan 370Z will set you back 56k euro, and a base Nissan GT-R will cost you 120k euro.

Buying a fun car over here is definitely no fun for your wallet. ;)

But we're getting offtopic here. I am looking forward to seeing the BRZ/GT86 over here, will be taking a look at the dealerships for sure. :)
 
NLxAROSA
Actually, car prices here in NL are a lot higher than in the rest of the EU (esp. compared to our neighbours Germany and Belgium). And fun cars (read: more emissions) get hit hard in the NL tax system. Importing won't help, since you pay the same taxes (or a percentage, based on the age of the car) on import. :(
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I didn't notice your location for some reason, but I am aware the Netherlands pay even more. Even the tax on 2nd hand cars there is a bit mind blowing.

But, in general, Europe and the UK does a decent amount more, even after exchange rates are considered.
 
Eunos_Cosmo
"GT 86 development engineer Yoshi Sasaki says the GT 86 is for those who are bored with cars that are too powerful with their turbo engines, have too much grip with their huge tyres and four-wheel drive, cost too much and don't let the driver do enough. 'A fun car,' he says, 'is a car that you control."

I don't think they could make a more perfect car for me.
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Make it weigh 800# less.
 
I quite like the interior, actually. It's not all swoopy nor is it clean and simplistic, but it looks like they've got all the basics right. Driving position looks good, seats look supportive, dials are clear, steering wheel is a good looking thing and not too big. It's a Toyota, so it should be screwed together okay too.

Don't even mind the big radio buttons. I hate small, fiddly buttons on a car stereo. Fancy-ass systems are massively overrated. All I want is a big on/off button and a big volume knob.
 
Agree with the comment about stereo controls. My Nissan has big chunky dials for the stereo and they're really easy to use and don't distract you from your driving.

Sounds to me like the US is getting the best deal in terms of price (as always). According to one of the big Japanese car magazines, the top of the range Toyota is going to sell for around 2.8m yen. You can expect to add another 0.2m yen in taxes and necessary options such as floor mats and license plate frames etc. 3m yen at today's exchange rate is $38,500. Mind you that's the same price as a Prius Wagon so no wonder most people over here still think it's a pretty good deal.
 
PureAwesomeness
Mind you that's the same price as a Prius Wagon so no wonder most people over here still think it's a pretty good deal.
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I expect Prii do well in Japan, don't they?

I was thinking last night about the GT-86's name again. Just for giggles they should sell it as the Corolla in the UK. Would change that badge's reputation overnight.
 
I absolutely adore this car. Those lines are some of the best to come out of ToMoCo/FHI in years, and the interior also looks very good, clean, and elegant with the aluminum paneling in the BRZ. I just hope I get to see some on the road. It'll probably be 80.000 USD here in Denmark, with all our taxes :grumpy:
 
homeforsummer
I expect Prii do well in Japan, don't they?

I was thinking last night about the GT-86's name again. Just for giggles they should sell it as the Corolla in the UK. Would change that badge's reputation overnight.
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In my part of Japan, there are Prii everywhere. Very popular with sales reps and old people.
 
All articles I've read so far said the GT-86 will be priced at 30.000€ here, that would be ~40.000$ currently.
 
homeforsummer
I expect Prii do well in Japan, don't they?

I was thinking last night about the GT-86's name again. Just for giggles they should sell it as the Corolla in the UK. Would change that badge's reputation overnight.
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It's funny that as Subaru are going to be racing the BRZ in SuperGT, Toyota will be racing the Prius:

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http://jonsibal.com/blog/2011/11/toyota-prius-gt300-race-car/

Also, when I was in Japan, I spent most of my time in the eastern part of Nagoya, where Toyota is headquatered, and although I saw Toyotas by the droves (as expected), I didn't see that many Prii. I probably see more here in London than I did even when I visitied the city of Toyota. But that was a couple years ago, no idea about the new Prius range.
 
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dsgerbc
I'm pretty sure you're wrong, and this pic is from Scion (judging by the logo :) ).
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The manual has paddle shifters. :lol:

As far as the car goes, I like it. $24K for one of these is going to be a steal imo, & I think one of these might possibly make a nice little track car. Very glad to see the aftermarket companies are already getting parts ready (I really like the GReddy one a few pages back), so it should be interesting to see what kind of power they'll start getting out of these in a year's time.

Would also love to see an options list, if one is out. I'm not a fan of the radio unit they chose, so I think a nice navigation screen would looks miles better. Just my 2 cents.
 
McLaren
Would also love to see an options list, if one is out. I'm not a fan of the radio unit they chose, so I think a nice navigation screen would looks miles better. Just my 2 cents.
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To add to what I said before about the radio, I'd agree that it looks crap, but it also looks nice and clear and not too fiddly. I also see a USB socket (just to the right of the shifter in the image) so I could plug an iPod in too. A fancy-pants touchscreen/nav thing is something I personally probably wouldn't use and would cost me more, so I could do without it :)
 
McLaren -> That shifter has a 'manual-esque' look to it. Much like some BMW's as of late. ;)

-> On regards to the interior of the FR-S, It may not be as photogenic from the cameras point of view. And I won't be too surprised of the dash has a hard plastic feel to it, I mean most newer Toyota's have the same fate; heck even my AE86 has it too! :boggled:

-> On the BRZ, if the dashboard quality is on par with my ex-car ('06 WRX), I would be very happy since I'd rather take the BRZ over the Scion. ;)

^ We'll find out next year...
 
Eunos_Cosmo
"GT 86 development engineer Yoshi Sasaki says the GT 86 is for those who are bored with cars that are too powerful with their turbo engines, have too much grip with their huge tyres and four-wheel drive, cost too much and don't let the driver do enough. 'A fun car,' he says, 'is a car that you control."

I don't think they could make a more perfect car for me.
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+100000

This car just gets better and better.

Im sick of our times where cars like a SLK or Z4 are driven by hair dressers and filled with all those weight adding nonsense.

Basic Interiour? YES
Useless back seats? YES
Am I willing to pay up to 30k euros for this beast?
YEEEEEEEEEEEEEESSSSSSSSS
 
Omnis
Yes, that's in the Toyota. It's gone from the Scion.
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Omnis
Derp. lol. Well, anyhow, it's gone from the other pic. Must be an option-- hopefully one available with the stick.
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No, Omnis, this is a Toyota. The CC stalk is mounted to the steering wheel, not the column.

I still probably is optional, but the first picture you looked at the wheel is turned so you can't see the stalk. :lol:

McLaren
The manual has paddle shifters. :lol:
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That's the automatic, not the manual. The shift stick looks almost the same in both cars, except the automatic doesn't have the pull-up reverse lockout like the manual does.

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Evo has had a quick test in both the Toyota and the Subaru.

The important bits:

The GT 86 is a complete cracker.

...Our encounter took place on the Sodeguara racetrack outside Tokyo, full of bends and dips and lightly coated with rain. You need a car with sensitive controls for a track like that, and within half a lap you feel completely at ease in the GT 86 as rush right up to its limits. Via possibly the best electric steering system we've yet encountered, with much more subtle sensitivity than the new 911's system and a more mechnically-connected feel about the centre, you can exploit a balance perfectly tunable with the tiniest throttle inputs. Take a corner briskly and there's stabilising understeer; accelerate a bit and the understeer vanishes as the tail starts to dominate. From there to a drift is a land of opportunity with abundant signposting. Seldom is a car so up for a friendly game.

It makes a Scirocco seem synthetic, an RCZ anaesthetised, a 3-series Coupé over-complicated. This is a pure driving device like an Elise or an MX-5 with sharpened sinews.

It's a two-plus-two, but Yoshi Sasaki says hopes the rear space will be used to carry trackday wheels – it's that sort of car. The interior is functional and well-finished, with a low driving position and no unnecessary gadgetry.

The car looks better in the metal than in pictures. And if you drive one, you'll want to own one.
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McLaren
The manual has paddle shifters. :lol:

As far as the car goes, I like it. $24K for one of these is going to be a steal imo, & I think one of these might possibly make a nice little track car. Very glad to see the aftermarket companies are already getting parts ready (I really like the GReddy one a few pages back), so it should be interesting to see what kind of power they'll start getting out of these in a year's time.

Would also love to see an options list, if one is out. I'm not a fan of the radio unit they chose, so I think a nice navigation screen would looks miles better. Just my 2 cents.
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The Subaru, which starts at $24K has standard Nav.
 
homeforsummer
To add to what I said before about the radio, I'd agree that it looks crap, but it also looks nice and clear and not too fiddly. I also see a USB socket (just to the right of the shifter in the image) so I could plug an iPod in too. A fancy-pants touchscreen/nav thing is something I personally probably wouldn't use and would cost me more, so I could do without it :)
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The whole buying experience with the Scion group is a partial explanation as to why our stereo setup is so strange. Every Scion is saddled with a "no haggle" pricing scheme, where the MSRP is all that there is, and your only job is to choose the options that you want on your car.

When the vehicles themselves arrive at the dealer, it is pretty common to see them without the head-units inside the vehicle. They're installed by the dealer after you choose the setup you want. The basic one (basically what we see here), an upmarket Pioneer unit, or a Pioneer CD/NAV system. The base unit we see here is a standard Pioneer unit, they have an up-market Pioneer model for about $500 more, or a NAV setup that's an extra $1500. My guess is that the standard issue one is fine.
 
Azuremen
Where did you get that price?
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Motortrend editor's claim. With exchange rates the way they are now I wouldn't expect firm pricing info until they start accepting orders. Which, I guess, is still few months away.
 
Motor Trend article isn't consistent about the standard wheel size, first saying 17s and then having 16s listed in the spec sheet.
 
I know that info on the Motor Trend says two diffrent things on the car spec. But it's weird because all the info. came from tweets from editor in chief of Motor Trend.
 
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Keef
That's the automatic, not the manual. The shift stick looks almost the same in both cars, except the automatic doesn't have the pull-up reverse lockout like the manual does.
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My apologies then. In the first picture, the e-brake was covering up the gear panel next to the shift boot, so it looked like a manual to me. :dunce:
Cale
The Subaru, which starts at $24K has standard Nav.
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Now that is what I'm talking about. Out of the 3, I've been partial to the Subaru version, so that's a plus for me. :)
 

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