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-> Well in my own opinion (ex-WRX owner for two cars '04 & '06) I don't trust any Subie turbo'ed 5-speeds anymore due to synchro failures. But I have a soft spot on LGT Wagons and SG Forester XT's.

-> If I like fast & practical (for new car) I'll cough it up to an STI instead. If not, BRZ by default. ;)
 
You bring up a good point. Most people would only buy a WRX because they can't afford an STI. So between a BRZ (which is as good as it can get) versus an STI, I would probably pick the BRZ, principally because it's cheaper.
 
^ If cheaper is the name of the game here, I'd pick the 2nd best car I've ever driven: The 2007 GD STi, even thou its a sedan. :indiff:👍
 
My first choice as well. The thing is that they're so rare where I live. Hopefully the 4th gen WRX and STI can steer me away from the 2nd gen. :lol:
 
The Vanishing Boy
-> Well in my own opinion (ex-WRX owner for two cars '04 & '06) I don't trust any Subie turbo'ed 5-speeds anymore due to synchro failures. But I have a soft spot on LGT Wagons and SG Forester XT's.

-> If I like fast & practical (for new car) I'll cough it up to an STI instead. If not, BRZ by default. ;)
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5psds are no longer a problem. The 5spd in the LGT is a stout unit and a few years ago, they started using that in the WRX.
 
The trans couldn't handle that much TQ. It wasn't as bad as the glass trans they used in acuras a decade ago, but it was pretty bad. Add to that the incompetence of the subie kiddies, and you have a less than reliable combo.
 
Scion FR-S Price
The base price will be $24,200 for the manual and $25,300 for the automatic.
To: All Scion Dealers March 20, 2012

Subject: 2013MY Scion FR-S Price Announcement

Scion is pleased to announce the starting price of $24,200 for the highly awaited 2013MY Scion

FR-S which will arrive at Scion dealerships in June. Even with DPH, the starting price is still under $25,000!

2013MY Scion FR-S Highlights:
This high performance sports car is the fifth model to join the Scion family. Inspired by the Toyota AE86, FR-S is designed around the core goal of achieving, “Pure Balance.” This balance begins with the use of the world’s only front-engine, rear-wheel drive configuration using a flat boxer engine. Some of the great standard features on FR-S include:
• 2.0 liter, 200 horsepower, naturally aspirated four-cylinder boxer engine
• Toyota’s cutting edge D-4S injection system with direct and port injection
• 6-speed manual transmission that offers quick precise shifts with a short throw
• 6-speed automatic transmission with rev-match and steering-wheel mounted paddle shifters
• Torque Sensing Limited Slip Differential
• 17-inch alloy wheels and ventilated disc brakes
FR-S’s interior ****pit instantly exudes a “sports car” feel. The front sports seats are shaped to accommodate manual shifting and support longitudinal and lateral G-force. The leather wrapped 3-spoke sports steering wheel, utilizes the smallest diameter in the Scion lineup. The idea of “Pure Balance” is further realized by FR-S’s lightweight design and compact size. This allows the car to be quick and nimble into and out of corners. This combination is further proof that Scion is truly “Bringing the Sport Back to the Car.” The FR-S will be available in seven colors including Raven, Asphalt, Hot Lava, Argento, Ultramarine, Firestorm and Whiteout.

Pricing Summary Documents:
MSRP for the FR-S six-speed manual and six-speed sequential automatic transmissions are $24,200 and $25,300 respectively.

Model Transmission Description 2013 Base MSRP
6253 6MT FA20 $24,200
6252 6AT FA20 $25,300

All prices listed above exclude the Delivery, Processing, and Handling (DPH) fee Pricing will be announced to the public on Thursday, March 22, 2012. Please keep this information confidential until Thursday, March 22, 2012. Pricing details will be available in the Scion FR-S Price Guides posted in the “Secure Area” for Dealer Principals on Dealer Daily. Please contact your Regional Office or local administrator if you have any questions.
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I was really hoping for a base price of around $20k for stripper models, out the door. Very disappointed. Also, June is soooo far way :(
 
Nice, cheaper than the WRX. :D
Eunos_Cosmo
I was really hoping for a base price of around $20k for stripper models, out the door. Very disappointed. Also, June is soooo far way :(
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I wouldn't worry about it now. I remember somebody posting here about a Toyota 86 trim that came with cheap black bumpers and stuff, designed for mods.
 
thats about where i thought it was gonna be.... glad its right at 25K.... personally i think i would still have the BRZ even if its the rumored 28K
 
Given the prices of the competition in the segment:

* 2013 Ford Mustang V6: $22,200
* 2013 Mazda MX-5: $23,470
* 2013 Hyundai Genesis 2.0T: $25,125

I'd say Toyota/Scion missed the sweet spot. By about $2,000. With destination fees, putting it right at $25,000, the competition gets increasingly thick and choices get very tough between these vehicles. If the Scion is coming in here, the probability of the Subaru making it in under $28K seems increasingly low.

I dunno. On the one hand, it is going to be a great car, and will definitely be worth every penny. But, at the same time, I really don't know what Toyota is doing pricing it that high. Based on the pre-orders, I feel like it is a money-grab, or they were too worried about sales of the tC cannibalizing that of the FR-S.

Either way, for $25,000, this thing better come with some serious content as standard fare.
 
More than it should be IMO.

In any case, by the time I can afford one there will be lots to choose from on the used car market for much less.
 
YSSMAN
Either way, for $25,000, this thing better come with some serious content as standard fare.
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Damn thing better be fully loaded with stuff that I don't even want. The car is a good sports car, yes, but it shouldn't cost more to make a car smaller, lighter, more basic. They're just looking to bank off the hype, that's all.

Scion doesn't haggle on prices? Then they've lost a sale - I'll be grabbing a Miata instead, and for way cheaper because I've got important friends at the Mazda dealership. How's that for haggling.

Jake Sweeney Mazda West in Cincinnati is struggling for sales, and my lead technician buddy basically runs the place. I bet I could get a Miata for under $22,000 there...

...or the Toyota dealership right up the hill from me, where my parents got their Corolla, could toss in a little incentive for me to advertise the first FR-S on the lot to the car community right here in Dayton. When everybody knows you're getting rid of the FC for an FR-S they start wondering about how good that FR-S must be...
 
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Keef
They're just looking to bank off the hype, that's all.
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This. As I was saying on Reddit tonight, what happens when the people who are honestly interested in them and get theirs from the start, and then they have to sell these to average buyers? Are they really going to be able to justify a $6000 price difference between the FR-S and the tC to someone who doesn't really know or care about lightweight performance? Or, look at it this way... Ford will happily sell me a 2013 Mustang V6 Pony Package for $24,990. That easily dips to $23K with my discount and a little haggling. Even if I added Sync and other goodies (~$1800), I'd still be lower than the MSRP on the FR-S, and I'd have a hell of a lot more content in my bigger car that (gasp!) gets better fuel economy. Why wouldn't I get the Ford?

Scion doesn't haggle on prices? Then they've lost a sale
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This is the biggest disappointment since the ending of Mass Effect 3. I'm very thankful my student loans won't give me the option of getting one, I don't even want to deal with it at this point.
 
Thankfully, you, R1600 and I are all in the same boat. We won't be able to afford an FR-S until a couple years of used cars are on the lot. Hopefully they depreciate something awful. :lol:
 
Keef
They're just looking to bank off the hype, that's all.
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YSSMAN
This. As I was saying on Reddit tonight, what happens when the people who are honestly interested in them and get theirs from the start, and then they have to sell these to average buyers? Are they really going to be able to justify a $6000 price difference between the FR-S and the tC to someone who doesn't really knowor care about lightweight performance?
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They not thinking of the average buyer, they believe that everyone would just buy the car cause it's "the car that is going to put the sports back into sports car" and that will justify the higher price.
 
YSSMAN
the probability of the Subaru making it in under $28K seems increasingly low.
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Yeap, it looks like Limited trim is gonna be more than $30k OTD. If it's few hundred more I'm probably still get it, but if it's pushing $31k I'm gonna start looking into replacing my DD with a funner one instead of picking up a BRZ as a second car.
 
I was hoping for 22.5. The next mustang might kick their ass.
 
Really can't see the mustang and the BRZ providing anything close to a similar experience. I have a feeling that difference is worth it to some but not others. Only a drive will tell. :)
 
Experience? They're trying to sell a soft sports car to me. It does three things that my car doesn't do - ride smoothly, get decent mileage, and have cupholders. All three of which make it even more normal. As for the driving experience, I've got this thing beat twice over.
 
Kent
Really can't see the mustang and the BRZ providing anything close to a similar experience. I have a feeling that difference is worth it to some but not others. Only a drive will tell. :)
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I won't disagree that the FR-S will probably drive better... But, the Mustang with the Pony Pack is no slouch either. I'd have to drive both, but right now, it's coming down to content and price. When I can get a fully-loaded Mustang for less than the FR-S, that's just a hard proposition to ignore.

We'll see. I think everyone will laud the car as driving nirvana, but once the people who are dying to get the car receive theirs, how many are going to be left sitting at the dealer? And if Scion isn't willing to haggle, what then?
 
Keef
Thankfully, you, R1600 and I are all in the same boat. We won't be able to afford an FR-S until a couple years of used cars are on the lot. Hopefully they depreciate something awful. :lol:
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I'm mainly waiting to see what Mazda does with the next Miata before I jump on anything.
 
Yeah, been posted. It seems they wrung out most of the performance potential from it, as people were saying.

I was never going to be a 1st year buyer, but the couple of close friends that were, have already decided to take their $500 deposits back and wait.

I'm not sure what toyota/subaru are doing, to tell you the truth. Like someone said, they seem to be milking the hype for what it's worth. Not a prefect comparison, but chevy engineers did the exact opposite with the Sonic turbo to retain mpg/reliability. 140hp/150tq from a motor that gains 30hp/40tq from a very safe/conservative tune.

The 6,000(brz) yearly production made sense as it created a bit of exclusivity but it also didn't create that much of a shortage. The MX-5 sells <20,000 units worldwide and I was expecting the frs/brz duo to sell about that(pre orders are at ~13,000). Now Fuji said they are producing 100,000 units annually. For whom, exactly? They want to outsell the best selling cheap roadster 5:1 in the first year?
 
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http://blog.caranddriver.com/2013-scion-fr-s-priced-for-u-s-starts-just-under-25k/

Scion has announced pricing for its all-new 2013 FR-S sports coupe, which will go on sale this spring. This particular fruit of the joint Toyota/Subaru project will start at $24,930 when equipped with a six-speed manual transmission, while cars with the six-speed auto&#8212;the more efficient choice, according to EPA estimates released earlier this week&#8212;will start at $26,030. (We expect the Subaru BRZ to start at roughly the same price as the FR-S, excluding any dealer markups resulting from limited 2013 stock. No word has been given regarding 2013 FR-S volumes.)
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What are they smoking?
 
I still have a soft-spot for the GC and GD Impreza over the BRZ. Between a GE Impreza and a BRZ though, I think I'd pick the BRZ. The BRZ in that pic just looks fat.
 

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