Sciaru BRZFRS (BreezeFrees)

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RocZX
At first they said the Scion was going on sale later but then they said that both the BRZ and FR-S/86 would go on sale at the same time.
Even if the BRZ was going on sale first, 3-4 months is a big difference
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I never said they would be on sale in january or that anyone told me that they would be...
 
eSZee
I never said they would be on sale in january or that anyone told me that they would be...
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Anything is for sale if you got the money for it.
Even if it's a demo models and not for sale the difference for when they would be in dealerships is still odd to me.
 
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eSZee
What?
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Even if the BRZ is not for sale in January. But will be in the dealership and available for test drives, it's odd that the FR-S will not be in dealers till the spring.

I was assuming that once they were in the dealerships they would be for sale.
 
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Not always.
Though he didn't specify, I'm almost sure this will be a demo car making it's way across dealerships.
 
I think they are going to have an issue keeping these things in stock for quite a while. If you want one, might want to order it.
 
eSZee
I "scheduled" a test drive today while getting the oil changed on the WRX.
I saw a set of 215/45/17 re960 in the service area and said that these would fit a BRZ, the guy at the desk told me and the GF to come back in January and we could try them both out.
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Nice?
What M/Y wrx?
 
2011 wrx.
Don't get too excited, it's the GF's car. I get to buy and install all her mods though. :indiff:
 
eSZee
2011 wrx.
Don't get too excited, it's the GF's car. I get to buy and install all her mods though. :indiff:
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O dawg, list of things to get. Just to annoy everyone else lol.

-neon lights
-un painted body kit
-whistle muffler (actually kind of cool because it's funny)
-massive spoiler

that should do it :D
 
I dont get the Point of the Scion and Subaru version? why 3 of the same car? The Toyota version is great but it also looks like it could had been the new Supra if it had bigger hips and a Side Rear wheel Air scoop.
 
psntomaz
I dont get the Point of the Scion and Subaru version? why 3 of the same car? The Toyota version is great but it also looks like it could had been the new Supra if it had bigger hips and a Side Rear wheel Air scoop.
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The Scion version is the Toyota one for the US only and the Subaru made their version of the car because they designed car together with Toyota
 
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RocZX
The Scion version is the Toyota one for the US only and the Subaru made their version of the car because they is design the car together with Toyota.
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If it was 4am I'd let you get away with that but since we're both in NY and I know exactly what time you posted that, there's no way I'm ignoring it. :)
 
psntomaz
I dont get the Point of the Scion and Subaru version? why 3 of the same car? The Toyota version is great but it also looks like it could had been the new Supra if it had bigger hips and a Side Rear wheel Air scoop.
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Simple Money and profits.
 
psntomaz
I dont get the Point of the Scion and Subaru version? why 3 of the same car? The Toyota version is great but it also looks like it could had been the new Supra if it had bigger hips and a Side Rear wheel Air scoop.
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To play on brand loyalty, expanding the target market.
 
The FR-S suspension is conventional MacPherson strut. The Greddy car had a prototype set of Greddy coilovers. The only adjustment in the front alignment is the toe which is typical. No provision for camber or caster adjustment is present on the stock car, at least this stock prototype! The front suspension has a good amount of caster, king pin inclination and trail which is good for camber gain under cornering, straight line stability, good on center feel and good self aligning torque with minimal scrub. These aspects of the front end geometry are reminiscent of the Nissan S Chassis and older BMW's, good things.
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The tie rod inner pivot is inboard of the lower control arm pivot and at a flatter angle, this will cause toe in under suspension compression. The front sway bar is pretty tiny but it has a small moment arm so its effective stiffness is probably higher than it looks. One thing we noticed is that the car has a fairly low roll center and if the car is lowered much at all the lower control arms will point upward with the roll center quickly ending up below ground. This will do two things that are not so great; the car will have a large roll couple and a strong tendency to roll which must be countered with stiff springs and/or swaybar. However the FR-S does have a very low center of gravity due to the low slung boxster engine so perhaps this may still be tolerable.
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The prototype coilovers may have little droop travel as the car was not lowered much but the position of the lower control arm and ball joint indicated a pretty low front roll center, at least with these particular coilovers. The front control arm was perpendicular to the ground under full droop. This means that the roll center when plotted will most likely be under ground . Implications of this are a high roll couple and lack of negative camber gain under roll. This means that the car will need stiff front springs and or anti sway bars and a lot of static negative camber when lowered or the car will tend to lose front grip at the limit, at least when lowered significantly. A lowered FR-S is going to benefit from extended stud ball joints and tie rod ends like those that Whiteline sells for the EVO and WRX
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Hey look at this, the front of the lower control arm has this rubber bushing with a cutout for compliance under load in the cornering direction. This probably helps reduce road shock. Since the front of the control arm will now move more in relation to the rear part of the arm and the tie rod, compression under load will result in toe out under load. Perhaps this subtlety counters the toe in under roll that the tie rod location produces as well as lowering NVH and shock? Something clever might be going on here.
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For an easy brake upgrade, the Brembos from a Subaru STI bolt right on. Which leads to the one thing we absolutely hate about the car.
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The rear diff is thankfully a Toyota unit that is already used in the IS250, IS300, Non turbo Supra and just about all mid powered Toyotas. This means that any number of good aftermarket clutch type differentials can readily be found for the car.
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Looks like they've really made some effort with this 👍

What's the "one thing they hate" that you've not replicated here? Any links back to the original text?
 
It won't let me quote the quotes in your post so...
However the FR-S does have a very low center of gravity due to the low slung boxster engine so perhaps this may still be tolerable.
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Someone is going to die for this. I'm just gonna start telling people my motor is made by Porsche and see how many believe it.

Onto the actual car here:

There will never be an all-wheel-drive version. Never.

How can we tell? The front diff needs to be roughly in line with the front wheel centerline, and with a Subaru layout, the front diff sits behind the clutch. In this car, the middle of the engine sits on the front wheel centerline. The engine would have to move forward nearly a foot to make all-wheel drive possible, and that's just not going to happen.
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And, the fun stuff:
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the direct-injected, turbocharged 1.6-liter "Boxer DIT" that's going into... well, Subaru's not yet saying exactly which model. In the guise shown here, the 1.6 turbo appears set to reside in various Impreza-based offerings.

Although the company "has no plans" to place a turbo boxer in the BRZ, it doesn't take much imagination to envision the Boxer DIT slotting in neatly where the 2.0 aspro mill resides.
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Why would you want a turbo 1.6 instead of a NA 2L? Fuel economy?
 
It's MAYBE going into the STI. If subaru wants to return to WRC, they will need to use a 1.6L.
 
eSZee
It's MAYBE going into the STI. If subaru wants to return to WRC, they will need to use a 1.6L.
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The motor wasn't being shown with the BRZ in any way. It's most likely going in the new Impreza's and as a WRC show piece. I highly doubt the BRZ will become the WRC car considering the split for the WRX and STi's from the Impreza line. The WRX and STi line may a three car lineup with the BRZ, the sedan, and the hatch. All in all, I just want a real damn wagon back in the showrooms and in my driveway.
 
prisonermonkeys
Well, being Australian, I'll probably only have a choice between the BRZ and GT86.
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BRZ since it'll probably come in Lightning Red. I think God creating that color was accidentally left out of Genesis.
 
Oh, WRC homologation rules call for a 1.6L now? Didn't know that. That makes sense now.

prisonermonkeys
Well, being Australian, I'll probably only have a choice between the BRZ and GT86.
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What is this supposed to mean?
 
But what does that have to do with a 1.6L engine vs the 2 liter?
 

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