Should every car be available in Arcade Mode?

[Exorcet]

Why do we have a career mode then, if we have tried most of the cars already? I find it fun restarting the career mode as do a lot of other people. It's fun because the level of progression there is when buying cars. A bunch of casuals get annoyed that it has to be that way, should we care what they say even though THAT really is what GT has been about since the beginning? Don't even bring up seasonal events. First of all, the easy cash could be possible because of the casuals or because of the people with not enough time to get the cars they want. And GT5's the only game where it's been this easy to gain credits. This thread refers to what we want, not in GT5, but in the series.

I'd say money came easier in GT2 where cars cost less overall, were slightly less in number (though more varied), and were actually available (no UCD).

I don't care about GT's history, and what GT is about is up for debate. However, the whole progression thing can exist on its own even if PD introduces a free mode. The extra work involved in making this happen would be trivial. I don't see why this even needs to be discussed when both sides can be pleased.

 

[Samus]

Why do we have a career mode then, if we have tried most of the cars already? I find it fun restarting the career mode as do a lot of other people. It's fun because the level of progression there is when buying cars. A bunch of casuals get annoyed that it has to be that way, should we care what they say even though THAT really is what GT has been about since the beginning? Don't even bring up seasonal events. First of all, the easy cash could be possible because of the casuals or because of the people with not enough time to get the cars they want. And GT5's the only game where it's been this easy to gain credits. This thread refers to what we want, not in GT5, but in the series.

Let me make a very simple, real world comparison.

Taking a car for a test drive = Arcade Mode
Buying a car and making it your own = GT Mode

It's really not that hard to drive most road cars in the real world. Owning them however is a lot harder. Ok race cars are different but this is a game, you're just as likely to own one in the real world as you are simply drive one. Even if some cars can't be test driven there are things like "Supercar Days" where you pay a few hundred and get to test out some exotic supercars. You don't own it though, you can't modify it, you can't paint it, you can just take it for a spin.

That is exactly what an arcade mode full of cars would be. Yes I like the idea of progession in A-Spec and I would never want every car in my garage when I start but I see no reason not to let you test drive most if not all cars in arcade mode.

 

[hatfield]

Yes but only if either:

1. You already own the car in GT mode

OR

2. You have reached the corresponding A-spec level

 

[Samus]

Why do I need to have reached an arbitrary level that ultimately means nothing to drive a car? Does that happen in real life?

"Hello, I'd like to take that Mercedes for a test drive please."

"Certainly sir. Oh, you are a level 6 driver though, right?"

 

[Spagetti69]

The people against all cars unlocked for arcade are they against event creators too?

I mean the option to create your own event with any cars they choose.

Personally I think all cars unlocked for arcade is a decent idea. You can't mod them only drive stock.

Also. The guys who are against. Do you hate the fact that PD unlocked a couple of cars already?

 

[Goshin2568]

Why do I need to have reached an arbitrary level that ultimately means nothing to drive a car? Does that happen in real life?

"Hello, I'd like to take that Mercedes for a test drive please."

"Certainly sir. Oh, you are a level 6 driver though, right?"

I agree with you, but I can see the other side of the argument. I mean, when do you turn on a video game and have everything unlocked from the start. You pretty much have to earn stuff in every single video game.

 

[C_Raccoon23]

I agree with you, but I can see the other side of the argument. I mean, when do you turn on a video game and have everything unlocked from the start. You pretty much have to earn stuff in every single video game.

In Forza, every car is already available in Quick Play. But you need to go in career mode to race for money and buy cars in order to customize, tune, etc. You still have something to earn right there.

If people are worried about having every car available in arcade mode ruining the "earning" aspect of the game, perhaps they should learn some self-control and ignore it until they have the cars they want in career. The fact that every car is available to me to drive anytime I want in Forza doesn't stop me from getting them in career mode anyway.

 

[Kitten]

Would be a cool Feature but you know

 

[Morgoth_666]

Unlocking stuff is traditional, but that doesn't necessarily make it the best answer. I used to think that a game would be boring without having to spend many many hours unlocking everything, but after playing a few games that don't require it, I found that it's not as important as I had once thought. In a game like GT, the sheer amount of stuff to get has a tendency to mean that once you get it all you are pretty well sick of playing the game and need to give it a long break before it can be fun again.

Myself, I don't particularly see the attraction in restarting the boring and repetitive A-Spec career against parking bots in short races with less-than-desirable realism options just for the "fun" of having to spend the time to buy all 1,500 of my cars all over again. But I find playing with my cars to be more fun than just getting them. The value of GT5 to me(online notwithstanding) is that I get to drive all these cool cars that I can't in real life or in any other game(for many of them), and to do things with my own car that I'll never get to do in real life. If I just want a pure racing experience, there are much better choices out there, so the "racing" you have to do to get them isn't much of a draw. I'd rather take the toys I already have and play FUN games with them instead of re-doing the annoying chores I had to do to get them.


I can't see it changing dramatically, as most gamers are quite accustomed to having to spend time unlocking things, and some even do legitimately get most of their enjoyment from it. But I could see a compromise such as - as someone recently suggested - linking a lot of it to license tests or the silly levels that I hope don't return or some other component of the main game that takes a lot less time than buying every car for your own. As others have said, the fact that these cars are only available in stock colors and with stock parts means that there is reason to actually acquire them in the main game for your own personalization.

Especially when you factor in the constantly increasing age of the long-time Gran Turismo fanbase(many of us have been here from the start, and some were beyond their teens even then), I don't think it would be a bad idea for PD to consider coming up with some sort of compromise to at least provide a wider variety of enjoyment to as large a portion of the fanbase as possible.


EDIT: I've been forgetting Forza. The fact that they've made the switch in that game, and there apparently hasn't been a consumer revolt, means that it might not even be that far-fetched to think that PD could follow suit and just allow everything outside of the main game career.

 

[Tornado]

In GT5 you buy the car set it as favorite, than you can use it in Arcade mode.


Personally I don't think this a problem.

I rarely play online and use Arcade quite often.
100 cars in my favorites is more then enough.

It's not a lot of work to remove or add cars to your favorites.

That's a non-argument. Saying that it doesn't bother you doesn't mean that the people who it does bother or the valid reasons given for why it bothers them don't exist. Note that they took the time to fix that oversight in Online mode, so PD clearly doesn't agree with you anyway.

If your worried about wasting time I don't think you should be playing video games at all.

Oh god, really?




You might as well have said "You shouldn't be posting on a forum then" if you wanted to do such a blatant cop out.

2. You have reached the corresponding A-spec level

The level system was terrible as it is in GT5. Making it even worse like you are advocating certainly isn't the answer.

 

[I Am Yellow]

Yeah, I don't see any problem in that. If it happens, it's pretty clear that we won't be able to customize cars in Arcade Mode, so I don't think it takes away the pleasure of earning cars on GT Mode. It also would make Arcade Mode way more interesting, I think.

 

[hatfield]

That's a non-argument. Saying that it doesn't bother you doesn't mean that the people who it does bother or the valid reasons given for why it bothers them don't exist. Note that they took the time to fix that oversight in Online mode, so PD clearly doesn't agree with you anyway.


Oh god, really?




You might as well have said "You shouldn't be posting on a forum then" if you wanted to do such a blatant cop out.


The level system was terrible as it is in GT5. Making it even worse like you are advocating certainly isn't the answer.

In regards to my point with the level system, It was made due to the fact we have this level system in GT5. I would rather that in GT6, we went back to the license system where they actually matter.

 

[machschnel]

Can anyone against this idea actually give me a legitimate reason why?



Picture this......

I'm driving the Ford Mark IV, possibly one of my favorite cars. Up until now I've been unable to drive it thanks to not being able to come up with the necessary credits.

I'm offline, in Arcade Mode having an absolute blast finally driving one of my all-time favorite cars.

How does this alter your GT Life experience?

 

[Gejabo]

So, anything that's fun is a waste of time?

That's not what I said.

I love to my my job so that's fun and no waste of time.
I like to ride my bicycle that keeps me fit so also not a waste of time.


Does anyone actually believe you get good hand eye coordination from playing video games, I've also read it somewhere but don't believe it for one bit.
It's just an excuse (and yes I've used it )

 

[Bluntified]

Can anyone against this idea actually give me a legitimate reason why?

Picture this......

I'm driving the Ford Mark IV, possibly one of my favorite cars. Up until now I've been unable to drive it thanks to not being able to come up with the necessary credits.

I'm offline, in Arcade Mode having an absolute blast finally driving one of my all-time favorite cars.

How does this alter your GT Life experience?

Loading times! Look how long it takes to load a full garage, imagine having every car available in a list, that would take the thumbnails ages to load.

Until PD cleans up their code and shorten loading times, its all just a pipe dream.

 

[Samus]

Loading times! Look how long it takes to load a full garage, imagine having every car available in a list, that would take the thumbnails ages to load.

Until PD cleans up their code and shorten loading times, its all just a pipe dream.

Well obviously that wouldn't make any sense, they should be arranged exactly like A-Spec NCD and previous games arcade modes were, by manufacturer.

The long list is no excuse for this not happening.

 

[machschnel]

Loading times! Look how long it takes to load a full garage, imagine having every car available in a list, that would take the thumbnails ages to load.

Until PD cleans up their code and shorten loading times, its all just a pipe dream.

Loading times? I rest my case

 

[Prototyp3]

I voted Yes.

Why not? It's arcade mode and has no bearing on the core game. Also, having all cars there would give people a chance to at least drive cars that haven't showed up in their used dealership and/or are worth more then 1,000,000cr.

for instance, I have been waiting and cycling through the list for the McLaren GTR and still have not gotten it to show up once. I'd like to at least have the fun of driving a car that is in the game (that I paid for) and have fun since that is the point of my playing games in the first place.

The semi-random nature of the used car dealership is beyond inane.

 

[Bluntified]

Well obviously that wouldn't make any sense, they should be arranged exactly like A-Spec NCD and previous games arcade modes were, by manufacturer.

The long list is no excuse for this not happening.

In relation to many people saying "they want a quick race", how is this quicker than the system we have now? Less is more in this case, quicker to find something in a class, and quicker to get racing.

Imagine having to go through every thing in the "garage", some might lose site, get discouraged, and do something else.

The only thing I would want is a bigger favorites list, this way I can choose what I want rather than going through a bunch of miatas!

 

[C_Raccoon23]

In relation to many people saying "they want a quick race", how is this quicker than the system we have now? Less is more in this case, quicker to find something in a class, and quicker to get racing.

What many people said this, because so far, more people want every car available so they can drive a specific car they want.

Imagine having to go through every thing in the "garage", some might lose site, get discouraged, and do something else.

Why should our freedom to drive any car in arcade be restricted because some people have short attention spans? I mean, should endurance races be removed because some people don't have the focus to do them in order to 100% the game?

But one thing PD can do to make finding the car you want quicker is to again, take a page from Forza and not only arrange cars by manufacturer like Simon said, but also implement the sorting options for your garage in GT Life into arcade mode as well.

The only thing I would want is a bigger favorites list, this way I can choose what I want rather than going through a bunch of miatas!

You are complaining about having to scroll through cars yet you want a bigger favorites list? The way the favorites list is now, all of your cars are sorted out by power. If I want to get to my faster cars in favorites I have to spend time going all the way to the back instead of being able to sort them out to find what I want quicker. How's that really any different than scrolling through a bunch of Miatas?

 

[Exorcet]

That's not what I said.

I love to my my job so that's fun and no waste of time.
I like to ride my bicycle that keeps me fit so also not a waste of time.


Does anyone actually believe you get good hand eye coordination from playing video games, I've also read it somewhere but don't believe it for one bit.
It's just an excuse (and yes I've used it )

If you want to know, you can always search.

http://www.amsciepub.com/doi/abs/10.2466/pms.1983.57.1.155

Whether they do or do not, they are certainly not a waste of time. Having to go through GT Mode just to car or having to go through many menus to add a tuning part can be however.

 

[madmax2069]

I do think all cars in game should be unlocked in arcade mode mainly to test drive, and learning the track with the car you are looking to buy.

 

[no1pal]

I voted yes. All cars should be available in arcade mode (allso all tracks). I don't see it as a spoiler of the progression for the GT Life mode. It gives players the freedom to play the game as they want.
Me personally don't spend to much time in the arcade mode, I like GT mode better.

 

[NCRthree]

That's not what I said.

I love to my my job so that's fun and no waste of time.
I like to ride my bicycle that keeps me fit so also not a waste of time.


Does anyone actually believe you get good hand eye coordination from playing video games, I've also read it somewhere but don't believe it for one bit.
It's just an excuse (and yes I've used it )

Perhaps I misunderstood you but that's what I surmised from your line of reasoning. I have no goal of attaining any better eye/hand coordination by playing racing games. The coordination that's needed to play a racing game or sim most certainly envolves a certain skill set. Bettering those skills is what drives my passion to play. If it's something I'm passionate about and doesn't take time away from real life responsibilities then it's not a waste of time.

Now in regards to this topic. A waste of time to me is having to grind for hours for the opportunity to drive some expensive vehicle. Arcade mode is the perfect place for test driving. I don't see how that lessens the game's integrity. However to use the car for a career mode or online, the car should be earned.

 

[machschnel]

I have been waiting and cycling through the list for the McLaren GTR and still have not gotten it to show up once.

Does anybody else thing this is just wrong?

Even if you find the time to grind enough credits you'll still be submitted to the lucky dip that is the UCD.

 

[Samus]

In relation to many people saying "they want a quick race", how is this quicker than the system we have now? Less is more in this case, quicker to find something in a class, and quicker to get racing.

Imagine having to go through every thing in the "garage", some might lose site, get discouraged, and do something else.

The only thing I would want is a bigger favorites list, this way I can choose what I want rather than going through a bunch of miatas!

How is selecting a car from a manufacturer page like the NCD worse and slower than a random huge list? I don't understand your logic at all.

 

[another_jakhole]

Does anybody else thing this is just wrong?

Even if you find the time to grind enough credits you'll still be submitted to the lucky dip that is the UCD.

Took me over a year and half for the R390 road car. I only just got it last month. I don't think the UCD will be returning (in the same way, if it does return).

 

[eran0004]

"Grinding" credits is not very hard anymore, so not even the 20 000 000 credits cars are many hours away. So not much of a problem to get the car you want.

 

[machschnel]

"Grinding" credits is not very hard anymore, so not even the 20 000 000 credits cars are many hours away. So not much of a problem to get the car you want.

So I get enough credits to buy the Mclaren GTR (grind free of course).

I mosey on over to the UCD, buy th...... Wait a minute, it's not even here. Now what?

 

[eran0004]

So I get enough credits to buy the Mclaren GTR (grind free of course).

I mosey on over to the UCD, buy th...... Wait a minute, it's not even here. Now what?

Now you wait for it to appear. It will probably be weeks or even months. Keep calm and do some racing while you wait.