Should New Members Be Able to Create New Threads

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Should New Members Be Able to Create New Threads?

  • Yes

    Votes: 36 50.0%
  • No

    Votes: 36 50.0%

  • Total voters
    72
  • Poll closed .
Der Alta
Actually someone beat me to the job, and has been working quietly behind the scenes to accomplish that.

TO make an analogy, He's much better at slowly and easily herding the cattle in the right direction, where as I'm more akin to dragging two or three out in sight of every body and shooting them so the others understand the consequences.

Be happy he's the one in charge not me. I'd get it done quicker, but there'd be a handful of unhappy people.

AO

Well good luck to whoever it is and may they have a good cattle herding experience !!! Then we can all stop posting stuff in this thread and learn new stuff from others !!!
 
Der Alta
And guess who inherited that job?

In the next few days, the moderators will be taking action in that forum, and doing some serious house cleaning. We're all currently debating what needs to happen in there, and what course of action we're taking.

I can give a prime example of a forum that was ripe for destruction. I visit a weekly blog of a guy here in my home state. He's ex-military, and has a slew of ecxellent ideas that the 20,000+ readers of his blog really kick in gear. He finally started up his forum. He knew that with an instant membership of 20,000+ he was due for his share of headaches and set backs. So the course of action that he took, was to allow people to read two of the main forums, but not be able to post or access attachments. If you wanted to read the rest of the forum, you needed to cough up $20 for a yearly membership. If you wanted to post, it was a $50 fee.

Now keep in mind, this was a forum visited by 99% 25 and older crowd who could afford the cash.

Should we implement something like that hear? Say... You register, and can view your choice of 4 forums, and after a week the remainder of the forums open up. After two weeks, you're allowed to post?

Just a thought that might take this coversation in a different direction.

AO

Der Alta, please clean that forum up. I'm afraid to even make a thread just so it can aim off topic in that forum.
 
Mike Rotch
I voted 'No', but have since changed my mind.
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Newbies not being allowed to create threads would mean more spam as they attempt to reach the "thread creating target".

And, it would act as a deterrant for genuine, good newbies. As DA said, new blood is needed and limiting a newbie to a second class member is not the right was of encouraging it.
That means two people have changed their minds, and the vote's even. Civic did, and he voted yes. Now you did, and you voted no. All square :)
 
This is stupid. How about we just ignore all new members until they go away. Or we can get rid of the GT4 forum until the game comes out.
 
target a number of posts would mean extra spam, time could be the thing......

There is no real solution here, when reading this forum, you sometimes get the impression that "stricter" moderators could be a solution.

On the other hand, the forum is so lively and active that it would (as suggested)mean , moderators being constantly online! (i read the post sometimes:"no worry, the mods are asleep now") !!!
 
Der Alta, for the GT4 forum, the threads you moderators lock should go into a GT4 Archive forum or something, so the closed threads aren't clogging up the GT4 forum itself, just a sub-forum in that GT4 forum called GT4 Archive. Members/Guests could still read the threads though. That might work. 👍
 
That is why Famine (no matter how much he probably hates the idea) should become a moderator. To cover the GMT time.
 
After spending all morning in the GT4 forum, it's not as big as a problem as you guys thought it was. 👍
 
Well firstly to the people who told Tripleplay he wouldn't be able to post, you didn't do your homework:

Member Profile for Tripleplay
Total Posts: 126 (5.60 posts per day)

He was also GT-Unit with another 113 posts and 2 weeks membership before that.

Anyway, at the time of writing, there are 42,582 threads on GTP. That's a huge figure. I know moderators can't be everywhere at once, but I'm curious just how many moderators we have. To deal with 29,684 members and 1,134,680 posts, I'd want a lot. I'm not advocating every second member be an moderator, but I since I don't know just how many mods are out there, I'm curious. One thing I've never understood is people who don't seem to want to be moderators. Maybe I read it wrong but it seemed Der Alta didn't want to be responsible for the GT4 forum, it just fell to him. Now someone else has picked up the burden, well that's good. I've just never been able to understand people who complain about the burdens of the authority they're given. I've seen it numerous times, and I've been an admin for a number of things myself, and I've always found it a great privilege.

In writing this I've stumbled on something curious.
https://www.gtplanet.net/forum/showthread.php?t=29951 - A thread started by Solid Lifters I was going to use as an example. It was redundant, and Solid himself acknowledged that and requested it be closed, and it took days to get around to it. That's not exactly a great response time. Someone mentioned people replying to useless threads and subsequently keeping them alive far longer than they otherwise would have. Personally I can no longer access the thread so perhaps action has been taken, which is good, but we wind up with thread after thread where whatever question is posted is answered within the first 2-3 replies, generally in the form of links to another thread already dealing with the topic, but then people go along and talk in the new thread anyway. I'm guilty of it as much as anyone because people simply don't shift to the old discussion so I don't bother either, which is hypocritical and I'm going to stop. In fact the only person I can think of that goes out of his way to revive threads so people can discuss things where they belong is John.

I have a few questions - firstly, do we still have access to some limited administrative options to move or close our own threads? Secondly, why can't we delete our own posts? Not just to weasel out of what we've said but I've wound up posting the same thing as other members because we wrote it simultaneously, or double posting for whatever reason, and you wind up with people having to write "Ignore****" (to meet the 10 character minimum which doesn't do much to cull one word replies to posts). If we can't censor each other we should at least be able to censor ourselves!

Don't take this as me being insolent and unappreciative, I'm just saying if our mods are really so worked covering the hugeness of our forums, then we either need a new system to lessen their load, or new mods to help out. Then they won't have to deal with people like me whining that threads don't get closed the minute they open like the asshole I am.
 
Eagle,

The mods here are the best. They are all a great group of people with level heads and good hearts. 👍

Now, I must admit, things can get crazy from time to time.
However, the job is not insurmountable.

In most of the cases where problems occur moderators take care of it quickly.
In other cases where problems are not as obvious, moderators take a bit longer to address the problem, but still get to it with in a relatively quick time.

One thing I want to mention though...

Vocal quality members with creative suggestions for helping can make a big difference with something like the subjects you are discussing.

Let us know when there are problems and we will help in every way we can.

In a way we could almost be seen as police, and remember, police don't come to help until you let them know there was a crime. :D
 
Points well taken Kent. I meant no disrespect to the mods because I do appreciate the work they do, it's just if the reason they can't deal with things as they arise is because there's simply too much to deal with, then we need a system to make their lives as easy as possible. That's essentially what I'm advocating.

I've got something that could perhaps count as a n00b question but I can't find an answer to it - just how does the report system work? Does it just send things to Jordan, or is there a Moderators group, or does it just raise an individual user's complaint level? I've avoided overzealously logging complaints about people and threads because I didn't honestly know how it would be handled, and also out of a desire not to flood moderators with endless requests. The fact is most of the time we do deal with the threads almost "in house" within the GT4 forum, people answer the question and let it die.

Could we establish a system where we PM a group at one time, and whoever sees it investigates and responds? Picking a random 5 moderators to PM about a thread doesn't sound too efficient to me, but I don't know exactly what provisions can be made, so some insight into the actual capabilities of the forums would be good lest I suggest stuff that simply can't happen.
 
Actually the reporting system works well.

Hit the button, leave some sort of repsonse and hit submit.

It sends out a single email to each moderator for each complaint filed.

Honestly, we don't get many of them.

Try not to go crazy, but certainly do not hesitate to report anything on the forum that looks like a problem.

:D
 
sUn
Der Alta, for the GT4 forum, the threads you moderators lock should go into a GT4 Archive forum or something, so the closed threads aren't clogging up the GT4 forum itself, just a sub-forum in that GT4 forum called GT4 Archive. Members/Guests could still read the threads though. That might work. 👍

I really like this idea and hope that it can be done. On the other hand, some kind of trashbin is an option , since the content of the closed thread is most of the time not of the highest standard :indiff:

I do not consider myself to be a member that is vocally the best contributor (not my home language), but I like to comment on good ideas of others members. If the trend of closing threads quicker and more often, clearly noticable these days 👍, is going to continue, indeed the threads look cleaner if they are put aside!
 
ExigeExcel
That is why Famine (no matter how much he probably hates the idea) should become a moderator. To cover the GMT time.

So we have a massive forum with all this information and no MOD for GMT time ?? Thats madness !! surely we have to have a UK/European MOD ?

and Famine is indeed God, and should be a mod, his head he nods, and away into the GT4 section he plods !!
 
So there is one European Moderator? That is all we get? OKay, so Sn00pie is pretty central, Holland/Netherlands is pretty much the centre but I still believe another one, or two, moderators would be welcome.
 
Ummm... Giles Guthrie is known to hang out in the European parts of the world.

ANd yes, there has been a considerable discussion amongst Jordan and the moderators about how we need to go about cleaning up the GT4 section. At one point it was originally called "rumors and Speculation Forum". When PD announced the GT4 was looming for Christmas last year, Jordan thought is was appropriate to rename it to GT4.

With the helpful suggestions here, as well as in the forum itself, we're workign towards a solution. I don't doubt that there will be some serious changes that happen towards the end of July/beginning of August. The time is dependent on the MOderators free time, and Jordan's free time to implement the changes we all work on.

Please keep up the good thoughts, ideas and suggestions, they're helping us figure out how you want it all to work.

AO
 
However much I abhor some of what goes down in GT4, I'd rather you guys take the time to take onboard as many opinions as you can and implement something that's going to work long term, not just a simple stop gap that needs patching and causes more hassle.

That said, don't take till GT4 launches ;)

Having had the report system explained to me it's far more useful than I guessed at so I'll be a tad less hesitant to alert the authorities if I and other members feel a thread's gotten as useful as it will get.

And Famine was on a few hours ago, he's been moving house apparently so he's been busy away from GTP.
 
Make me a moderator for about 15 minutes and I'll clean it up.

Just one question. Is it possible to delete all posts in an entire forum with one click of a button?
 
I think the best you can hope for is two clicks - Select All and Delete. Otherwise, you're in for the long haul.
 

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