Should PD Fix Online Now?

[nd 4 holden spd]

It's getting a little tiring isn't it? I mean, racing with punters, not being able to connect, massive lag. It's no secret that Gran Turismo is far behind in the online experience department, I for one can only get into the International Events once out of maybe 5 tries. I don't know about you, but I wouldn't mind if PD stopped whatever they're doing, and concentrated on making the online experience better and ready for the full GT5. I'm mainly concerned with the errors and glitches and lag we all get in races, especially the international event. If I can play international GTAIV no problems, then I'd like to do the same in a race where a moment's lag can lead to my being in the sand.
Leave comments, if PD are listening, we should let them know that the only thing we want at the moment is better online racing.

 

[H20HYBRID_GT]

I see your point, it must be annoying for you if its hard to get connected.
But for me the international events are the best races I ever had on GT5P, nearly no lag, very rare disconnects and it takes only seconds to join a race.
Pretty sure PD does exactly what you want, improving the online since they introduced international events finally 👍
Its a pitty it doesn't really work for you, yet.
I think their concept of how they let players host games could be ground braking though, once they get it to work for everyone this is.
What I want is all circuits on pro and all circuits on standart, PP could change weekly then. Also I love to see more event without tuning, simply because its more balanced and the driving skills become more important
I vote for let PD go on their own pace, Im confident they know what they're doing 👍

 

[nd 4 holden spd]

It makes things hard when you have to be rich to enjoy GT5. Super expensive TV, Super Expensive PS3, Super Expensive fast internet connection (which I don't have). It's almost out of reach entirely for the average Joe. If it wasn't for my parents helping me out with lots of money because I finished school with top honours, not even I would have this game yet.

 

[Ardius]

^Oh come on, I'm doing fine with a SDTV, bog standard Virgin Media internet connection and the PS3, which, while still being expensive, is the best overall quality compared to its competitors (in terms of reliability and potential future).

I dont think its fair to say thats its for the "well-off" to play just yet.

As long as PD stick to their promise of upgrading the online this Autumn, I'm happy the way it is.

 

[Mad Matt]

I think it's been mentioned in other threads that you don't need a super-fast connection, in fact it'll make no difference at all.

I will say that I rarely get any lag or have problems connecting.

Punters, now there's a subject which has been done to death!

 

[Lion-Face]

Maybe its your connection? I'm from NZ, and we have BAD internet! (until recently, one company had a monopoly on the broadband market and has put us years behind australia, let alone anywhere else in the world) I would have disconnects at the start of the odd race (maybe 1 in 10) which sometimes happened twice in a row, then i would go clear cache and all would be good for the rest of my session. Zabeu is the only driver to comment on my lag (supposedly bad on my few races with him) but i find i can race very closely with EU opponents.

As of the past week i have joined a new ISP and have had a much better connection, ping tests are the same (maybe slightly better) but havn't been d/c'd once, opponents are much better especially international races with 10-12 opponents. In fact, my worst opponent was an australian lol.

I think the online game works fine as far as i can tell, from my end it looks good. Before my ISP change i was getting the odd jumpy car, but they wern't jumping car lengths and were predicable enough to have a decent race against. Now i dont see too many problems with 'lag' at all (im talking once in a few races i may get a jumpy car from my end)

Although, i would love feedback from anyone who has raced against me, easily standout as usually the ONLY F40 in the field How jumpy am i? good/bad/could be better? race bumper to bumper with me or steer clear?

 

[nd 4 holden spd]

Well I lag in pretty much every race from what I understand, I get disconnected pretty often, I struggle to get connected in the first place quite often, online just doesn't work for me.

 

[Lion-Face]

Yeah, that sounds more like an ISP problem rather than a GT5P problem. Also, make sure your PS3 is in the DMZ of the router and your getting a NAT2 connection when you do a Internet connection test via the network settings menu of the PS3. If thats all good, then i would be looking at switching ISP's

 

[nd 4 holden spd]

Well that's impossible, my PS3 is a good 10m away from the router. I get NAT Type 3, and sometimes Type 0. Never seen a Type 2.

 

[Jay]

I have been having no problems with connections. (also being on a Australian connection)

I only see NAT type 2.

 

[Lion-Face]

Ok, your playing over wireless? There are definantly ways to start improving your connection. You can get NAT2 by placing your PS3 into the DMZ of the Router, which is easy enough to find tutorials on via portforward.com. I can help you out further, but i gotta head off for now, send me a PM and i'll help out as best i can when i come free next.

NAT3 is probably half the issue. NAT1 or NAT2 gives the best possible connection, especially when it comes to online gaming.

 

[H20HYBRID_GT]

Well that's impossible, my PS3 is a good 10m away from the router. I get NAT Type 3, and sometimes Type 0. Never seen a Type 2.

Looks like that's where your problems come from.
You need to get NAT 1 or 2, shouldn't really be impossible, also don't connect wireless, that's a bad thing for online play too.
I hope you get it sorted out soon, you don't have to be super-rich or something though ...

 

[MeWhiteNoise]

I use a Netgear WGT624 wirelessly, with the router downstairs and PS3 upstairs. I'm getting about 87% signal strength, the only problems I had with online play was with GTA, GT5P works fine. Can you /do you have UPnP (Universal Plug and Play) enabled on your router? That helps alot, plus you can enable port forwarding (sounds complicated but after you've sussed it it's not that bad). Wireless isn't bad for online play, just can be a bit more complicated

 

[Mad Matt]

Putting it in the DMZ just means that your router will allow connections to and from your PS3 without blocking. It doens't mean you have to move your PS3. It can be done for wireless or wired if your router supports it.

It isn't really needed though but can be a short-cut to fixing connectivity issues.

Be careful of UPnP as there are security issues.

 

[Scoggs]

yeah the lag is bad for me, and what the hell why cant i play with my friends? its like they just figured out that they could make online so its just trial and error

 

[britbeef]

sod the lag lets have private rooms

 

[sesselpupser]

private rooms better be coming soon, or at least the ability to invite friends to the race you're in...

 

[klondike]

As others already mentioned, its far better to use a cabled connection compared with wireless.

Wireless is smart and dandy, but you are losing somewhere between 1/3 to 1/2 of your speed, and most of those conection loss is due to the wireless signal is lost for just a fraction of a second. You are still connected to the internet, but the data transfer had been interupted enough so that you lost connection with the game.

Also you really should go into your router + PS3 and set it up so you have NAT2. Having NAT3 is another source of problems not only in GT5P, but alot of other games.

 

[MustangSVT]

I also noticed quite some lag in the international events where I'm very very careful to pass another car (this will usually happen with a person from a far away country like Germany or Taiwan). I never see much lag with people from States, Canada or even Japan sometimes. But sometimes I do see lag with folks from spain or germany. I'm on a wired router BTW and my home internet is 8mbit/1mbit (good).

I think they should fix online in the sense of user created rooms where you join a room and stay in it (not having to do "player matching" every single time), and the creator of the room can kick people if they choose to, and can set number of laps and track and cars and so on.

 

[Threshold]

Try UPnP or look in the manual in the game and it will show you which ports you need to open up for the PS3/GT5.

 

[Vaxen]

The one online feature that would help more than anything, and shouldn't be too hard to implement, would be tracking online games quit when determining which system should serve as the host.

However, chances are slim that the PD/Sony staff who are setting up the events are the same as the programmers working on game features and/or networking code. As such, I voted that PD continue on as they are.

 

[kart racer]

As I feel that GT5P is a testbed for GT5. I am willing to wait and take the good with the bad. Time will show a improvement.

 

[H20HYBRID_GT]

I also noticed quite some lag in the international events where I'm very very careful to pass another car (this will usually happen with a person from a far away country like Germany or Taiwan). I never see much lag with people from States, Canada or even Japan sometimes. But sometimes I do see lag with folks from spain or germany. I'm on a wired router BTW and my home internet is 8mbit/1mbit (good).

I think they should fix online in the sense of user created rooms where you join a room and stay in it (not having to do "player matching" every single time), and the creator of the room can kick people if they choose to, and can set number of laps and track and cars and so on.

Thats weird, I have 2MB ADSL and i have almost no lag especially on international events ???

 

[DudleyPoyson]

As others already mentioned, its far better to use a cabled connection compared with wireless.

Wireless is smart and dandy, but you are losing somewhere between 1/3 to 1/2 of your speed, and most of those conection loss is due to the wireless signal is lost for just a fraction of a second. You are still connected to the internet, but the data transfer had been interupted enough so that you lost connection with the game.

Also you really should go into your router + PS3 and set it up so you have NAT2. Having NAT3 is another source of problems not only in GT5P, but alot of other games.

Not really.

Latency will go up maybe 5-10 points over wired but as long as you are on a solid signal, it doesn't affect gaming very much. Wired is always better but if you are trying to avoid wiring your house because your router isn't very close to your ps3, wireless is fine.

The biggest sorce of lag is high latency not throughput. So a big factor is location more than service. This is especially true with gt5p because hosts can be anywhere.

A classic lobby system would work much better than player matching. This way you could choose which game gives you the best latency. It would also allow the introduction of private rooms and servers.

 

[Ardius]

Not really.

Latency will go up maybe 5-10 points over wired but as long as you are on a solid signal, it doesn't affect gaming very much. Wired is always better but if you are trying to avoid wiring your house because your router isn't very close to your ps3, wireless is fine.

The biggest sorce of lag is high latency not throughput. So a big factor is location more than service. This is especially true with gt5p because hosts can be anywhere.

A classic lobby system would work much better than player matching. This way you could choose which game gives you the best latency. It would also allow the introduction of private rooms and servers.

Thats the kind of thing we've been promised by PD for Autumn. Hence why Im willing to wait rather than have them rush it.

 

[MustangSVT]

Thats weird, I have 2MB ADSL and i have almost no lag especially on international events ???

By lag I mean a bit of moving right and left instead of being a very steady car. Bad lagging is when someone warps on the track back and forth and disappears and reappears. I've never had that sort of lag.

 

[idkmybffjill]

It would be nice to get the quality up by getting less lag, but I think private rooms would be more beneficial, then we can get pure gtp members and then you know that you will have good connections 90% of the time, maybe they could implement a connection status next to each player then you would know that cause of the lag

 

[rexc]

I had some frustrating races against Fana_the_Fast(IT) at Fuji last night. He had a absolutely terrible connection. It was impossible to get past him because you had no idea where he was. You would be braking not to rear end him, and the next instant he would materialize 20 metres down the road. I had heard of the 'Star Trek' effect before, but that was the first time I had seen it anything like that bad.

As for the poll, I will put up with quite a bit of crap now, as long as it is perfect in GT5. Thats what we all want right ?

 

[MustangSVT]

I had some frustrating races against Fana_the_Fast(IT) at Fuji last night. He had a absolutely terrible connection. It was impossible to get past him because you had no idea where he was. You would be braking not to rear end him, and the next instant he would materialize 20 metres down the road. I had heard of the 'Star Trek' effect before, but that was the first time I had seen it anything like that bad.

As for the poll, I will put up with quite a bit of crap now, as long as it is perfect in GT5. Thats what we all want right ?

Ya that's warping and that's what actual "lag" looks like. I've seen it in Forza on rare occassions. Must've been people with bad connections.

 

[OzOldTimer]

It's getting a little tiring isn't it? I mean, racing with punters, not being able to connect, massive lag. It's no secret that Gran Turismo is far behind in the online experience department, I for one can only get into the International Events once out of maybe 5 tries. I don't know about you, but I wouldn't mind if PD stopped whatever they're doing, and concentrated on making the online experience better and ready for the full GT5. I'm mainly concerned with the errors and glitches and lag we all get in races, especially the international event. If I can play international GTAIV no problems, then I'd like to do the same in a race where a moment's lag can lead to my being in the sand.
Leave comments, if PD are listening, we should let them know that the only thing we want at the moment is better online racing.

Mate you need to switch to a cable connection as soon as. I was having problems and so were two other guys I race with. We all switched to cable and presto the connection issues reduced considerably straight away. As an alternative to laying cable you can also use something called powerline ethernet adaptors which use the existing electrical wiring in the house to provide a hardwire connection to the router. That's what one of the guys used and he is very happy with it.
I don't believe you need a great internet connection either. A week or so ago my speeds were reduced to 64kbs after exceeding my download quota and there was very little difference in the online experience. The guys I race with reported no noticeable lag in our races together and I even hosted a couple of small field races. Like a few guys said previously, it doesn't seem that speed is the cause of lag.