Should players with awful internet connections be disconnected from Sport Mode races?

[Crazy Taylor]

Are you saying people can cause "lagging" intentionally? I would be nice if Sony could do something about laggers, it can be extremely difficult to drive behind a car bouncing all over the screen much less trying to pass one without a collision, you never really know where a lagger will pop up.

Yeah people mess with their signal making it lag. This is called a lag switch.


Source: http://compnetworking.about.com/od/consumerelectronicsnetworks/f/lag_switches.htm

A lag switch is a piece of equipment installed on a home network that temporarily delays the flow of traffic to the internet. In an online gaming context, the physical toggle can be switched on to delay gameplay to give the lag switcher the upper hand.

One example that indicates a lag switch is being used is if the opponent jumps around on the screen when you shoot at the character. Or maybe the character will appear invisible and completely unscathed from point-blank shots.

 

[Vegard]

How about segregating them in "Bad Port" lobbies?



I'll get my coat.

 

[ghostrider135]

How about segregating them in "Bad Port" lobbies?



I'll get my coat.

Considering its a joke there could be a good idea behind it, Ping goes up SR goes down would probably be a good possible idea. Seeing as a high ping gives them an unfair advantage i.e being harder to judge and overtake etc no other player can know with any certainty where the high ping player will appear and ruin the chasing players SR.

 

[fastone371]

That's my point exactly. Some of us have very good internet connections yet once in awhile when I'm racing online my connection goes from all green down to 3 bars and even 1 red bar. It doesn't seem to effect me or anyone else I'm racing around.
I also hosted a 1.5 hour endurance race with a full lobby and nobody was having lag issues.
So when my bars drop to yellow or red your not going to convince me that it's coming from my end of the connection.

You are absolutely correct!!! I have 4-5 green bars everyday I race, the other day I had a single red bar. I had my wife check our connection and the problem was not on our end. I then hard wired my PS with Cat 5 cable to our router and it still made no difference, I am not a "computer guy" but I am convinced my bad connection was not on my end.

 

[MatskiMonk]

Clearly there needs to be some kind of segregation, but a ban is not the way to do it.

 

[ShadowDMC]

I say no. People who can't get a good connection because of where they live etc.

Take me for example. I live in Australia, which has great terrible internet which the Government has failed to fix time and time again. I still want to race.

Generally speaking my bad connection problems ease up after the first couple of laps where I can race without lagging into people or them lagging into me. I would only agree to this if their connection was so poor for a long period of time in a race.

 

[fastone371]

Considering its a joke there could be a good idea behind it, Ping goes up SR goes down would probably be a good possible idea. Seeing as a high ping gives them an unfair advantage i.e being harder to judge and overtake etc no other player can know with any certainty where the high ping player will appear and ruin the chasing players SR.

Since this is not my area of expertise (Im lucky to be able to turn my computer on and connect to the interweb) is it not unusual for the "ping" to change during a race? If it is why not boot players whose "ping" changed during a race or warn them that if it lasts 15 seconds or more they get booted. I dont race to win, I like to win dont get me wrong, its just not my purpose for playing. I will follow a car length behind someone rather than just pull up beside them and screw up both of our lines for 12 laps if need be, I dont attempt passes unless I know I am going by. My goal is to keep my SR at 99 and try to race every race clean. With "laggers" around that is next to impossible. I just dont have a clue why people feel they need to "game" the game to gain an advantage. What enjoyment does one get out of winning by cheating?

 

[Vegard]

Considering its a joke there could be a good idea behind it, Ping goes up SR goes down would probably be a good possible idea. Seeing as a high ping gives them an unfair advantage i.e being harder to judge and overtake etc no other player can know with any certainty where the high ping player will appear and ruin the chasing players SR.

Perhaps the GTSport servers could test/mointor the bandwidth/ping from race registration to matchmaking and sort it so that the worst connections get put in separate lobbies.

On second thought, let's call them Ping Pong lobbies.

 

[icenl]

It would be nice if they could make it an option for the matchmaking where it prefers connection over sr and dr?

 

[ghostrider135]

Since this is not my area of expertise (Im lucky to be able to turn my computer on and connect to the interweb) is it not unusual for the "ping" to change during a race? If it is why not boot players whose "ping" changed during a race or warn them that if it lasts 15 seconds or more they get booted. I dont race to win, I like to win dont get me wrong, its just not my purpose for playing. I will follow a car length behind someone rather than just pull up beside them and screw up both of our lines for 12 laps if need be, I dont attempt passes unless I know I am going by. My goal is to keep my SR at 99 and try to race every race clean. With "laggers" around that is next to impossible. I just dont have a clue why people feel they need to "game" the game to gain an advantage. What enjoyment does one get out of winning by cheating?

Whilst also not my area of expertise I do believe its ping that causes lag i.e pinging the server the longer it takes the slower the connection being my simple understanding, I'm sure there are people who understand it much much better and can provide a simpler explanation.

Whilst ping will change during play occasionally I'm sure an upper limit can be put in place for example anything above 200 and it should affect SR because that as I believe is quite a high ping, I've seen players on Rocket League with a ping of 300+ and it makes the game literally unplayable, That is where I'm basing most of my ping understanding. Also it would probably prevent people from using lag switches should PD ever implement such a thing I believe.

 

[Tassie_tiger]

And the vast majority of "complaints" on this forum regarding being hit by other drivers has nothing to do with what the signal indicator shows.

So the point is??

 

[kilesa4568]

Zero point.

If it's online, there's a chance of lag for one reason or another. Just live with it.

 

[mikeonthebike]

I've picked up on people using lag switches I am pretty sure, it looks like a crazy running off track crash behind you, you're left feeling a safe cushion then BAM they are on the inside of you knocking you off the corner with NO penalties.

The offenders I've noticed had a SOLID connection after load up and warm up then the final countdown you see them flip to 1 red bar and after the race they are back to full bars.

 

[fastone371]

Zero point.

If it's online, there's a chance of lag for one reason or another. Just live with it.

So then it would be a good idea to have a friend set me up with a "lag switch" so I can almost be guaranteed a victory if I qualify on pole and that sounds fair to you?
I always thought GT had the words "racing simulator" on the box, I have not studied the packaging on later versions of GT but I know that was on my early ones. If "laggers" are acceptable why not have random trains crossing the track and boosts you can pick up along the track to jump trains, gain speed, traction, etc., thats basically what happens when you are behind a "lagger".

 

[Chevy Heavy]

Lately I've had many races where I will qualify and warmup with full green bars only to start the race with one red bar. This is very annoying as I know it sucks racing with laggers. I don't get the jittering in the race but still. Something's messed up on their end.

 

[ceres2000]

Lately I've had many races where I will qualify and warmup with full green bars only to start the race with one red bar. This is very annoying as I know it sucks racing with laggers. I don't get the jittering in the race but still. Something's messed up on their end.

Thanks for verifying this. I noticed that as well after the latest update. Earlier I would 9/10 times have a full green signal. Now I alternate between 3-4 bars. One race today I had a red bar. My connection is as fast as ever. I'm still getting the regular pings in Battlefield 1 so the mess is on GTs servers.

I guess what I'm saying to anyone who thinks banning is the answer how about this, go knock on PDs door and tell them to fix their dismal netcode.

 

[Tassie_tiger]

Give me a second while I go get my tin-foil hat.

Who, or should I say at what grade, are people apparently using lag switches while racing in GT Sport?

So then it would be a good idea to have a friend set me up with a "lag switch" so I can almost be guaranteed a victory if I qualify on pole and that sounds fair to you?
I always thought GT had the words "racing simulator" on the box, I have not studied the packaging on later versions of GT but I know that was on my early ones. If "laggers" are acceptable why not have random trains crossing the track and boosts you can pick up along the track to jump trains, gain speed, traction, etc., thats basically what happens when you are behind a "lagger".

Guaranteed a victory?
Wow.
Where do I find one of these lag switch thingamebobs?

 

[Sander 001]

The lag happens exactly the same way since GT5, can’t believe PD can’t improve it.

How do other racing games handle bad connections??

 

[Nando deBem]

Wow! People exaggerate things in such a way! Luckily for everybody that does not have a first world top tier internet connection, it’s not up to us to decide the thresholds and it’s probably not up to PD too. They are probably legally required to maintain some standards dictated by Sony. One of them being not to boot people from playing. It would be really bad for business, banning half the world from playing games. And it would make for a trash of a not standardized experience if Sony would let the game developers boot people whenever they felt they should.

 

[Tassie_tiger]

Wow! People exaggerate things in such a way! Luckily for everybody that does not have a first world top tier internet connection, it’s not up to us to decide the thresholds and it’s probably not up to PD too. They are probably legally required to maintain some standards dictated by Sony. One of them being not to boot people from playing. It would be really bad for business, banning half the world from playing games. And it would make for a trash of a not standardized experience if Sony would let the game developers boot people whenever they felt they should.

Well the stupid thing is we've gone from people with 1 red bar being the issue, to people with 5 green bars but using lag switches being the issue.

Go figure.

 

[LMSCorvetteGT2]

Clearly there needs to be some kind of segregation, but a ban is not the way to do it.

Other games do it, it is the risk you take when trying to play online. If you aren't aware of how bad your net it, perhaps not play a competitive game where it may ruin or skew the results for better or worse.

If those who do have bad net are allowed to stay however, then something should be in place to disconnect them if they're lagging to the local server played on.

 

[coltsjugg]

anyone with a bad connection should just be taken out of it without any loss or gain anywhere

 

[Tassie_tiger]

anyone with a bad connection should just be taken out of it without any loss or gain anywhere

There's no doubt some people, due to whatever reason, have a bad internet connection.

But here's the thing.
I have fibre to the premises in Aus.
100 down and 40 up.
Not exactly what i would call "bad".

I race regularly with people in the UK.
Often if I join their lobby, it will show me that they have a 1 red bar room.
If I open the lobby, they will tell me my room shows 1 red bar.
And yet we race perfectly fine.

My Sport Mode races always shows 3 orange bars.
In fact, everyone from Aus. or NZ generally shows 3 orange bars.
This is because of the physical location of the server.

And I'll put myself in the poop here.
I also have an alternate account to do lots of game testing, but also to race my friends in the UK in Sport Mode.
Guess what, 1 red bar.
Should I be doing this? Well technically, No.
But you can bet your best socks many people do this regularly.

Oddly, or maybe not, if I decide to have a race with some American friends, my signal bar is actually better than racing against UK friends.

But I put to you that my internet hasn't changed during any of this.
I also put to you that my connection, regardless of what the signal bar suggests, is good enough to race without causing major interference with others, regardless of where I race.

So yes, some may have shocking internet connection, which I'm sure they would change if they could in a heartbeat.
But it may not necessarily be their fault.
And unless I'm mistaken, there is no "minimum" requirement to play online with the PS4, and ergo on GT Sport.

And in which case, I vote "No".

 

[fastone371]

Give me a second while I go get my tin-foil hat.

Who, or should I say at what grade, are people apparently using lag switches while racing in GT Sport?


Guaranteed a victory?
Wow.
Where do I find one of these lag switch thingamebobs?

Earlier someone had mentioned that some people use "lag switches" especially for shooting games and they suspect some are doing it on GTS. If you can drive behind a "lagger" while they are skipping all over the f#$king track and knocking your car off track you are a much more skilled driver than I am, congrats, it appears many others suffer because of them too. Last week I was right behind one that started skipping all over the track then his car landed inside of my car and I received a 10 second penalty for it and took an SR hit to boot.

 

[mikeonthebike]

@ Tassie Tiger I'm DR A SR S and the 2 I've seen were DR S SR S and DR C SR S so who knows at what level people MAY be lag switching. When they go flying off track into a wall then they instantly bash and crash their way through you all of a sudden its odd, even more odd is I follow for a lap and their car seems solid right untill I get close enough to pass, then they fly off track into the wall again just to reappear right in front of me as if they swerve blocked me while I was seeing them fly off track. End result ramming penalty and red SR on my end.

I will be sure to get the replay of my next encounter of this type and see if it shows the glitching.

Its definitely lag related whether its a lag on Sony/PD's end or if its user induced from a lag switch. People use them in FPS games to get an unfair advantage (cheat) so why would it be out of the realm of possibility for this same type of person to apply their cheat in a racing game.

 

[Tassie_tiger]

Earlier someone had mentioned that some people use "lag switches" especially for shooting games and they suspect some are doing it on GTS. If you can drive behind a "lagger" while they are skipping all over the f#$king track and knocking your car off track you are a much more skilled driver than I am, congrats, it appears many others suffer because of them too. Last week I was right behind one that started skipping all over the track then his car landed inside of my car and I received a 10 second penalty for it and took an SR hit to boot.

No need to get snarky.

I bet you've never had a 10 second penalty from a driver with 5 green bars either.

Occassionaly we will strike someone, for whatever reason, who is having connection issues.
It isn't the end of the world.

@ Tassie Tiger I'm DR A SR S and the 2 I've seen were DR S SR S and DR C SR S so who knows at what level people MAY be lag switching. When they go flying off track into a wall then they instantly bash and crash their way through you all of a sudden its odd, even more odd is I follow for a lap and their car seems solid right untill I get close enough to pass, then they fly off track into the wall again just to reappear right in front of me as if they swerve blocked me while I was seeing them fly off track. End result ramming penalty and red SR on my end.

I will be sure to get the replay of my next encounter of this type and see if it shows the glitching.

Its definitely lag related whether its a lag on Sony/PD's end or if its user induced from a lag switch. People use them in FPS games to get an unfair advantage (cheat) so why would it be out of the realm of possibility for this same type of person to apply their cheat in a racing game.

Sure, it's definitely lag related.

You brought up the tin-foil hat stuff of lag switches, so you tell me.

But to classify everyone under the same umbrella because of a simple graphic indicator on the start list, and then deem them all ban/disconnect worthy, is simply ridiculous.

 

[FPV MIC]

I vote No for the simple reason that we here in Australia have no say where PD puts the server for GT Sport. It is clearly in Japan (which makes sense for PD) going by the fact that no one in Australia can get more than 3 bars and near on everyone in Japan has 5 bar connections. I quite often start with 1 bar when I enter the Sport Mode races but it always goes up to 3 bars when the race starts. So why the hell should I be banned from Sport Mode? Ridiculous!!!!

 

[Tassie_tiger]

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[FPV MIC]

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Fair enough, I had a bit of a laugh at it, it was too true.

 

[mikeonthebike]

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I actually did not "bring up" the lag switch. reread the thread it started on page 1. I just detailed what I took from my experience with possible lag switchers and my opinion and you choose to attack me. Go sip your own cool aid some more!!