Should players with awful internet connections be disconnected from Sport Mode races?

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Should drivers with bad connection be banned?

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Tassie_tiger
No need to get snarky.

I bet you've never had a 10 second penalty from a driver with 5 green bars either.

Occassionaly we will strike someone, for whatever reason, who is having connection issues.
It isn't the end of the world.


Sure, it's definitely lag related.

You brought up the tin-foil hat stuff of lag switches, so you tell me.

But to classify everyone under the same umbrella because of a simple graphic indicator on the start list, and then deem them all ban/disconnect worthy, is simply ridiculous.
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Not sure who is snarky, I speak to people the same way they speak to me, pretty simple actually. I dont recall speaking of tin foil hats and as of yet I have not tracked how many bars the people have who caused the most penalties. It is my opinion that most people do not like racing against cars that skip all over the screen. It is also my opinion that they can be very difficult to pass and if I was in the lead it would give me an advantage to make my car appear to skip all over the screen. I also feel that would not really be a fair way to win and it would take enjoyment out of victories.
 
Well you guys continue to feel about the subject as you wish.

I've said all I have to say.

Enjoy your discussions on the matter.
 
I basically agree with all the suggestions of an auto disconnect for those with unsuitable connection. Another solution of sorts (it isn't ideal in this context but it is workable and will help quarenteen the issue) is to hold the player at load up and/or ghost the player in the race for the rest of the race. If they aren't suitably synchronised due to a percieved lag they are still in the race, but unable to interact with other racers. Their times will still be recorded however and they will be placed accordingly. Effectively their game becomes a Time Trial. A similar method is used the GTA Online that those with poor internet connections are isolated in their own server to protect synchronicity of busy servers.
 
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To actually extend on the last post, in certain games, the penalize you for too many disconnects within a short time span. So when you try to find a match in competitive play you have to wait even longer and get low priority.
 
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NO!!!

It’s known that the problem is not the internet connection.
I can probably have a better connection than you but because I’m further away from the server than you it shows me with yellow or red bar.

Why should I be banned or kicked out because of it?!?

I already stopped playing sport Mode on “rush hours” because of this stupid server/connection issue.
A few months ago I got disconnected 5 times in a row from Sport Mode races on a Sunday afternoon, lost over 10K DR... only managed to get them back last week...

I play other games online with no issue at all. I do some PC2 or DriveClub online races and never got lagged.
My husband plays iRacing and PC2 (on computer) and don’t have this issue too...

I believe that here in Brasil (or any South American country) we suffer the same issue as our fellow Australian drivers...

FPV MIC
I vote No for the simple reason that we here in Australia have no say where PD puts the server for GT Sport. It is clearly in Japan (which makes sense for PD) going by the fact that no one in Australia can get more than 3 bars and near on everyone in Japan has 5 bar connections. I quite often start with 1 bar when I enter the Sport Mode races but it always goes up to 3 bars when the race starts. So why the hell should I be banned from Sport Mode? Ridiculous!!!!
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The problem is on Sony or PD side... So it’s wrong to say we should be banned or disconnected.
 
I think the game or servers should be able to detect lag issues and ghost the cars having unexpected behavior (a car going at 800km/h, going in all directions, teleporting...). Maybe add a minute or two to warm up and if the game detects very high lag for the player, prompt a message saying his connexion is not good enough and let him / force him to leave before race start, without SR or DR penalties.
 
Sofia Speed
NO!!!

It’s known that the problem is not the internet connection.
I can probably have a better connection than you but because I’m further away from the server than you it shows me with yellow or red bar.

Why should I be banned or kicked out because of it?!?

I already stopped playing sport Mode on “rush hours” because of this stupid server/connection issue.
A few months ago I got disconnected 5 times in a row from Sport Mode races on a Sunday afternoon, lost over 10K DR... only managed to get them back last week...

I play other games online with no issue at all. I do some PC2 or DriveClub online races and never got lagged.
My husband plays iRacing and PC2 (on computer) and don’t have this issue too...

I believe that here in Brasil (or any South American country) we suffer the same issue as our fellow Australian drivers...



The problem is on Sony or PD side... So it’s wrong to say we should be banned or disconnected.
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I wonder how many of the Yes voters would change their vote if the servers were located at the other end of their region and they were the ones with 1 red bar :sly:.
 
I said it in the last thread. As long as sony are still saying its FOR THE PLAYERS. Then there is no way that they can ring fence players in this predicament. Sony have to make the game accessible to all. Also being in the UK I have no issues with said lag, but I disagree with everyone in favour of removing a pool of players because they (anti lag people) are very slightly affected by lag bumps, which are very few and far between.
 
You nearly got me, the title is "Should players with awful internet connections be disconnected from Sport Mode races?"

Absolutely, yes. If I had terrible connection I would want to be removed so not to disrupt anyone elses race.

But then the poll is "Should drivers with bad connection be banned?"

IMO no they shouldn't, sometimes it's simply something thats beyond the players control. Yes there is lag switching in every game but behind the scenes you would hope that is always being investigated. But banned for having a bad connection? No way.
 
ThePhantomAli
You nearly got me, the title is "Should players with awful internet connections be disconnected from Sport Mode races?"

Absolutely, yes. If I had terrible connection I would want to be removed so not to disrupt anyone elses race.

But then the poll is "Should drivers with bad connection be banned?"

IMO no they shouldn't, sometimes it's simply something thats beyond the players control. Yes there is lag switching in every game but behind the scenes you would hope that is always being investigated. But banned for having a bad connection? No way.
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Macboyilija
Question and poll clearly dont match.....
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I'm pretty sure the thread name has been changed ;).
 
I’m pretty sure it hasn’t ;)

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FPV MIC
I'm not sure what your picture is supposed to be showing me but I meant before you replied to it, that's why the poll question is different to the thread title ;).
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I’m showing you that the thread title and the poll are two different questions. I answered both anyway.
 
I think Sony/PD's servers are as much to blame as individuals setups.

I was in a sport mode race a few weeks back, started with 4 bars (as usual for my Internet) then watched it slowly creep down to 1 red bar for half a lap then come back to normal.

However at least 6 other people in the lobby seemed to experience the same thing. There was a small amount of lag on all cars, but no bouncing around.

Had another go at the race straight after, no connection issues at all!
 
No, It's not the player's fault the internet is still a joke in 2018 when it comes to reliability. PD knows this full well and needs to improve how they handle lag. There is no need for cars with high ping to behave erratically. Better prediction algorithms, better smoothing, ghosting to prevent accidents and better handling of penalties resulting from lag.

It's not that hard to see a car is completely out of control from lag. I got crashed into by a car going twice as fast as possible on Saturday right before their connection dropped. How can the game allow impossible speeds. When I still worked in GPS applications a big part from it was to detect and fix noisy signals based on the fact that cars usually follow roads and are limited in possible acceleration / deceleration and maximum g forces. It's pretty basic stuff, yet GT Sport lets cars continually brake the laws of physics.

The game should assume laggy cars stay on the road, not scrape along the wall at full speed. Assume they brake on time as not to lag into the car in front of them. Assume they accelerate in time as not to stall at the apex for the next car to run into them. And smooth out that saw tooth pattern in corners. There is the problem when a laggy car makes a sudden lane change on the straight. If another car occupies any spot that a laggy car glitches into, ghost the laggy car.

PD said they are working on collisions with laggy cars to limit the effect of lag making collisions worse. Just lowering the penalties is not enough though. When 2 cars are now in the same place due to lag, one has to be ghosted as you can't simply move either car to a 'valid' spot. Better prediction should nudge cars out of each others way earlier than what currently happens. Plus it should still look locally at what you are doing to avoid other cars so you can't simply drive through other cars with a one bar connection. Yet when your car lags into another on another console, that player should not get punted.

It works both ways, I've lag punted people while my connection is green and theirs is yellow or worse. Since my telemetry arrives at their side too late, my car doesn't brake or swerve in time on their console. On my side it looks like they suddenly accelerate and drive themselves off without me ever touching them nor receiving a penalty. Ghosting delayed data resulting in contact is the only way. The problem is, if it was a real hit, now you have two cars driving in the same spot. Perhaps the lesser of 2 evils. Retroactively correcting both cars courses might be too disruptive.

I guess it needs to be a mix of things. Improved detection, better prediction, retro active correction in minor cases and ghosting in more severe cases. I hope PD is working on this as currently starting in between laggy connections usually leads to trouble in T1 no matter how hard everyone tries.
 
I don`t race sport mode because of my laggy internet connection,at least in GT6 we had different monthly time trials where laggy internet wasn`t a problem.
 
I think GTS should/could/already might be taking ping in to account when matching. High ping players should be matched together to not ruin low ping races.
 
Yes, by all means, disconnect them, twice...The fact is, there is a posibility the lagers degrade the experience for other players. Yes, it's not their fault. But it's not my fault either. To some it's not a big deal, for some it can ruin a perfect race. The penalty system is in place so we can have better experience, matching system is here for the same reason. Filtering according to ping would be another step towards better experience. Oh, while we are on the subject of banning and disconnecting, filter out the guys using CSA, it is un-natural, just like popping all over the track while laging. Let's not forget, there are players from a certain European country that are more dirty than others (discussed in a recent thread), I agree, bann them to until they learn to play nice. Oh yeah, girls cannot play in the same lobby as guys, girls cry when they lose. Also, we need age filtering, it's not fun beeing beaten by 12 year old girls. We need more polls.
 
Skiddy
Yes, by all means, disconnect them, twice...The fact is, there is a posibility the lagers degrade the experience for other players. Yes, it's not their fault. But it's not my fault either. To some it's not a big deal, for some it can ruin a perfect race. The penalty system is in place so we can have better experience, matching system is here for the same reason. Filtering according to ping would be another step towards better experience. Oh, while we are on the subject of banning and disconnecting, filter out the guys using CSA, it is un-natural, just like popping all over the track while laging. Let's not forget, there are players from a certain European country that are more dirty than others (discussed in a recent thread), I agree, bann them to until they learn to play nice. Oh yeah, girls cannot play in the same lobby as guys, girls cry when they lose. Also, we need age filtering, it's not fun beeing beaten by 12 year old girls. We need more polls.
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What the fu:gtplanet:
I don't have rice with me right now, be careful with what you say
 
Sometimes I wonder if anyone ever played GT6 that plays GT Sport now!

Lag was an issue in GT6 lobbies. But, because we hadn't all lost our 🤬 minds and decided to play with no human hosting or stewarding, we dealt with lag the only sensible way...

We told the lagger he was lagging, and if he didn't voluntarily leave (and go clean cache, come back and see if it was any better, next race) we booted him. No agonizing about it, no interminable threads about it, no wringing of hands about where the server was, or who deserved it. You lag, you leave.

Period.

GT Sport has turned a community of sensible online racers into a kindergarten class of complete morons. Of course you get rid of laggers.

This paranoia about lag switching wouldn't even be an issue (a pretty much invented issue, IMHO) if the game itself dealt with lagging in exactly the same way it has been dealt with in the past. Lag detected? Player gone! Player comes back, lag detected again? Player banned from room.

It's not 🤬 rocket science, kids! :banghead:
 
ceres2000
I have a 100 meg fibre line but sometimes I get a 3 bar connection simply because Sony decides India should connect to EU region. Really it would be better for me if my country was part of Asia. By your definition I shouldnt be able to access PSN because of Sony's **** policies. Smh.
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Wrong, i clearly wrote "people who dont have broadband". By my definition you should be able to acces PSN because you have a broadband connection...

Dont get me started on regions.
Sony is retarted when it comes down to regions. Im in the EU (Belgium), we have the entire KSA region added to EU, even South-Africa, how is that "normal"?

Both the KSA-region and people from Africa should have their own region...
 
Amaru
Simple. If you dont have broadband, you dont have all the gear...
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If you dont have broadband, you dont play gts. Meaning you DO have all tthe gear.
 

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