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Sil80 / 180sx / 200sx / 240sx = What´s Optimal
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- nk4e
http://www.240sxmotoring.com/whisdibemo.html
To my belief why S-chassis owners go for the SR20 engine, it can fit in all American models, and probably a better market than the KA24 engine.
Wiki link
EurDM S13 = 200sx 88-94 left hand drive Mainland Europe right hand drive U.K CA18DET Pop-up headlights
JDM S13 = 180sx Right Hand drive SR20 DET pop up headlights
JDM PS13 = Sileighty Right hand drive SR20DET Square front no pop up headlights
USDM S13 = 240SX Left Hand Drive KA24DET Pop up headlights
S14 = 200sx SR20DET Right & Left hand drive
Found the arse end on the S13's was a bit looser compared to the S14's
JDM S13 = 180sx Right Hand drive SR20 DET pop up headlights
JDM PS13 = Sileighty Right hand drive SR20DET Square front no pop up headlights
USDM S13 = 240SX Left Hand Drive KA24DET Pop up headlights
S14 = 200sx SR20DET Right & Left hand drive
Found the arse end on the S13's was a bit looser compared to the S14's
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- warren4649
S13 SR20 aren't as advanced as S15 ones. S15 haves a bigger turbo (S14 too) than S13.
Also theres both VVTi and non VVTi engines.
Seriously think about it for a minute! AE86 are powered by a 4AGE but they don't make as much power as AE112 4AGE because meanwhile there was a lot of changes made to the motor. In D1 or other comps when peoples have +500hp into an S13 be sure that they have swapped to a later version of the SR20 if not stroked.
A simple mod usually done is to replace the S13/180SX turbo by an S14 or S15 one.
Also theres both VVTi and non VVTi engines.
Seriously think about it for a minute! AE86 are powered by a 4AGE but they don't make as much power as AE112 4AGE because meanwhile there was a lot of changes made to the motor. In D1 or other comps when peoples have +500hp into an S13 be sure that they have swapped to a later version of the SR20 if not stroked.
A simple mod usually done is to replace the S13/180SX turbo by an S14 or S15 one.
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Actually the 180SX you're thinking of is the RPS13, and the PS13 is the Silvia. The Sileighty was not actually made by Nissan until 1998 and they did it as sort of a fan service (very limited production, only 500 cars), before that it was not a "real" car. It was invented by people who crashed their 180SX and decided to swap a Silvia front-end on it.
Anything without pop-up headlights is a Silvia (or Sileighty).
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- x_XNyordiaX_x
It's the engine version as far as i know
*ducks, for any comments if she fails on this comment* 
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- warren4649
SR20DET is the engine code, S13-14-15 is the chassis code, tho if you say S13 in Japan it refers to Silvia S13 and not 180SX.
Almost all the people call 180SX/200SX/240SX a Silvia but its not a Silvia, theres no Silvia badge on them, japanese refers to them as 180SX because they are a different models.
Its the same with Levin and Trueno, you won't call a 86 with popups a Levin because its simply not.
Almost all the people call 180SX/200SX/240SX a Silvia but its not a Silvia, theres no Silvia badge on them, japanese refers to them as 180SX because they are a different models.
Its the same with Levin and Trueno, you won't call a 86 with popups a Levin because its simply not.
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*Cheers* I was right
But in GT5 itself, it says the cars do match to be honest. Is PD wrong here, or?
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- Esoterik1
It's always bothered me a bit, that they have S13/S14 chassis cars in the game labeled "240SX" but they all come equipped with the SR20DET.
"240SX" is a U.S moniker. In the U.S all 240SX vehicles come equipped with the KA24E (2.4L 12v SOHC) or KA24DE (2.4L 16v DOHC), hence the name 240sx (2.4L).
In the GT games, this engine doesn't exist. Yet they have used the moniker to appeal to western audiences. Just a pet peeve of mine.
"240SX" is a U.S moniker. In the U.S all 240SX vehicles come equipped with the KA24E (2.4L 12v SOHC) or KA24DE (2.4L 16v DOHC), hence the name 240sx (2.4L).
In the GT games, this engine doesn't exist. Yet they have used the moniker to appeal to western audiences. Just a pet peeve of mine.
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It's always bothered me a bit, that they have S13/S14 chassis cars in the game labeled "240SX" but they all come equipped with the SR20DET.
"240SX" is a U.S moniker. In the U.S all 240SX vehicles come equipped with the KA24E (2.4L 12v SOHC) or KA24DE (2.4L 16v DOHC), hence the name 240sx (2.4L).
In the GT games, this engine doesn't exist. Yet they have used the moniker to appeal to western audiences. Just a pet peeve of mine.
Im getting more confused with every post i read on here. Maybe i should just refer from trying to understand it and get back on Gt5
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- Esoterik1
This is not quite right.
Whether you are in Japan or anywhere else the S series is sold, the S13/S14/S15 is the chassis code, and is referred to as such. Whether it's a coupe or hatch (S13), they share nearly all of their components. The main difference between the two being the weight distribution (heavy rear glass of the hatch). Other than a few small differences, they are the same car. The Silvia/180sx (in Japan) is just Nissan's way of splitting one car in two, and getting twice the sales from slightly different market taste.
You would call them both an AE86, as they share almost all of their components, similar to the S series. The Levin/Trueno monikers denote the visual difference more than anything, again, like the S series.
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- warren4649
Thats a pretty low move to me!
I mean why put a model of a lower car in the game, yet retire the characteristic that makes it a lower car.
I don't see any reason other than to have a bigger ingame garage.
They call Silvia's S13-14-15 in reference to the initials of the car (Silvia) in relation with the chassis code.
As I said, 180SX in Japan are not considered as Silvia's and they never call it S13 (even tho its the chassis code). The S in the name doesn't stand for S(chassis)13 but stand for Silvia.
I mean why put a model of a lower car in the game, yet retire the characteristic that makes it a lower car.
I don't see any reason other than to have a bigger ingame garage.
They call Silvia's S13-14-15 in reference to the initials of the car (Silvia) in relation with the chassis code.
As I said, 180SX in Japan are not considered as Silvia's and they never call it S13 (even tho its the chassis code). The S in the name doesn't stand for S(chassis)13 but stand for Silvia.
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Lower car? What are you referring to?
The fact that it has the KA24DE.
Maybe that sentence was made out of broken english but I employed the word "lower" to describes lower performances.
GT games features 240SX cars yet they have the same characteristics of the JDM Silvia's/180SX.
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- Esoterik1
Ahhh, I see...
Yes, it's been a pet peeve of mine for quite some time. I wish they would include the different engine variations, but I doubt it will happen.
Here is what i know about the Nissan series. The only other thinks i know about them is the with 180 in s13 it was stated as the engine capacity being a CA18 or 1.8L. The first 200sx was the s14 series. I have listed all the information I know about the different models and there lables. The CA18 (s13) has the same design as the RB30 engine (skyline).
jp is Japan, Europe and Aus. us is USA.
S13
Silvia(jp) CA18DE/T 1986-1988
Silvia SR20DE/T 1989–1994
180(jp) CA18DE/T 1986-1988
180(jp) SR20DE/T 1989–1994
240(us) KA24E/DE 1989–1990
S14
200(jp) SR20DE/T 1994–2002 these dates included s15 for the SR20
240(us) KA24DE 1991-1998
S15
Only came out with the SR20DE/T as far as I know.
jp is Japan, Europe and Aus. us is USA.
S13
Silvia(jp) CA18DE/T 1986-1988
Silvia SR20DE/T 1989–1994
180(jp) CA18DE/T 1986-1988
180(jp) SR20DE/T 1989–1994
240(us) KA24E/DE 1989–1990
S14
200(jp) SR20DE/T 1994–2002 these dates included s15 for the SR20
240(us) KA24DE 1991-1998
S15
Only came out with the SR20DE/T as far as I know.
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That list is not entirely correct.
For starters, the US spec S13 chassis had the KA24E up until 1990. After that ('91 on), the only engine that was available was the KA24DE, until the end of the S13 lifespan.
Furthermore, the 200SX label did NOT start with the S14. Europe had an S13 200SX Hatch.
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Visually yes, but the 240sx has much less HP than the Type X, at least in GT5.
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That list is not entirely correct.
For starters, the US spec S13 chassis had the KA24E up until 1990. After that ('91 on), the only engine that was available was the KA24DE, until the end of the S13 lifespan.
Furthermore, the 200SX label did NOT start with the S14. Europe had an S13 200SX Hatch.
Which with logic should have been name 180SX as it only had the CA18 (which is why 180SX are called 180SX because they first came with CA18).
Japanese got mixed up at the time, they probably aimed to release the 200SX (chassis code S13) with the SR20DET in Europe but then for an unknown reason decided to directly release the S14.
This makes me notice that in Europe we never got all the hot cars they had in Japan (and in US), like cressida's and others (Soarer for example).
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They didn't go directly to the S14. They did have a 200SX Hatch (S13) in Europe, with a CA18DET in it. Confusing huh?
The 180SX name does stem from the original engine (CA18DET), yet, the name stuck even after upgrading to the SR20DET. However, in Europe they decided to just call it the 200SX (probably to differentiate between the Japanese model), although it had the CA18 under the hood.
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Warren4649
Funniest statement I've heard in awhile...the US didn't get hot cars..we got neutered sad shells of cars, detuned and softened to obscurity...
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- nk4e
The KA has its fan based though. Individual Throttle Bodies KA's, Stock drifting KA's..etc etc. I want to be one of them.
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You're going to have to be more specific. There are S13's and S14's in the game labeled as 240sx's.
The 180sx (Type X) you speak of is also labeled as a 200sx and a 240sx (their stats are all identical after an oil change).
Perhaps you are right. I must have looked at the cars before oil changes. Had thought they had at least lowered the performance on the 240sx.
So true. I never really understood why we got the crap lower end models of Japanese cars, and also were left out on Skylines, early LanEVOs and such.
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- warren4649
Ok let me sum it up for you!
You got Cressida's, you got SC430, you got GS430 (we got too but they're as rare as diamond) this extend to all the Lexus cars of the 90's which we got too but as mentioned they're really rare here and people sell them for way too much (like 25grand for an Aristo...)
Even "crap" cars like the MKI MX5 is still around 7000grand here...
So maybe for you you had lower ****, but in here, aside AE86 (rare and overpriced), Silvia's and Supra's we don't have anything valuable (for drifting purpose).
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I don't really see a point here. We really don't have an abundance of Cressidas, and I rarely ever get a chance to see SC430s ever where I'm from. I only see 1 GS430 on a regular basis because my neighbor has one.
The US is a big country, and I'm positive that cars that are more rare up in the NW, are plentiful in other regions of the country. I'm sure the same goes for all of Europe.
Now, getting back to what I was saying... I was saying, sure, we get S13s, but the lower end models.Same with the Impreza. We didn't even get STis until 2004. Never even got a Lancer Evolution until they came out with the Evolution VIII. We never got Type R's with the exception of the Integra, which is rare to find Type R standard, and for sale. We finally got a GT-R. There are plenty of cars where we got the short end of the stick, especially throughout the 90s.
They never produced R33s for the US. Those are the only ones that can be considered legal here because it was the only one to have crash test results that met US standards. They never even tested R32s or R34s. So those are now considered illegal, because MotoRex dropped the ball and never crash tested those and got away with saying they are similar enough to the R33 that they wouldn't need to test them.
These cars I'm sure would pass US standards, even when they were new. If anything had to be changed for US standards, I'm sure it would have been very minor.
I'm no expert on emissions or what needed to be made legal on these cars, but seeing how they never even crash tested the cars to meet US standards, they probably never had any interest in selling them in the US from the start.
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daltonlm
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You're going to have to be more specific. There are S13's and S14's in the game labeled as 240sx's.
The 180sx (Type X) you speak of is also labeled as a 200sx and a 240sx (their stats are all identical after an oil change).
The OP´s objective is based only in this visual model, and crown witch one is the optimal. Leave the S13 and S14 with similar mechanical specs out of it.
I guess this thread is getting kinda complex for me... can you get into the point, guys?
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Well, that's not exactly crystal clear in the first post.
However, if that's all you're interested in, the only model that will be slightly different to the others is the Sileighty. The 180sx, 200sx, and 240sx variants are all exactly the same, just with different labels.
My favorite is the 180sx variant. The 240SX just bugs me due to the inaccuracy of the model (wrong engine, body kit, taillights, etc...). We never had the Type X in the states (where the 240sx label originates). So, I tend to favor the more accurate representation... even though it is quite arbitrary.
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sooo.. are you guys trying to say that people called it something elsee when its correct name is 180sx for ex? or is it like saying a civic and a civic si is diffrent bec of the engine, not the chassis? ORRR is it that a civic si with a hk22 is diff bec of the integra engine? im confuzzled
