Sim racers trash GT4

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I can't trash nascar that much but thats only because I know a guy that owns a 35 Ford Cabriolet that has a 351 Windsor with Yates heads (Nascar motor from 96) pretty much prepped for racing it rides on vette suspension tho so it does turn right actually it is his dailly driver in the summer talk about a fast 35 ford that thing did a burnout 216 feet long I measured it
 
NASCAR???...i think EVERYONE who´s good in GT is very well in nascar racing!!!
ok its pehaps sometimes difficult to overtake but remember ur driving in A CIRCLE!!!
..so tha´s why it isn´t as spectacular for me as to drive in GT!!!
mush.. ;>
 
Nathan1956
I can't trash nascar that much but thats only because I know a guy that owns a 35 Ford Cabriolet that has a 351 Windsor with Yates heads (Nascar motor from 96) pretty much prepped for racing it rides on vette suspension tho so it does turn right actually it is his dailly driver in the summer talk about a fast 35 ford that thing did a burnout 216 feet long I measured it

Pah 216 feet...

I slid my car sideways 400 yards once!!! I know cos an ex-copper measured it and filmed it and then showed my dad!!

Oops!!

C.
 
Guys, it's all a question of taste. Some hate Nascar. Some hate F1. Some even hate GT! We shouldn't be arguing about this, because there's something for everyone in the crowded world of sim racing.
For example, I love all kinds of car racing, so everything is fine for me. You just have to focus on the most important characteristics of each one.
I love the graphics, the cars and the balanced gameplay of the GT series, specially on the hardest races, which are a great challenge. I love Geoff Crammond's GP series games, for their great sense of realism (when driving on the wheel with NO HELPS ACTIVATED), the sounds and sheer speed.
I love the Need for Speed series for the graphics, sound and pure fun of playing it, specially in 2 player mode.
I love Live for Speed, for it's extreme approximation to reality. This is what I call "Flight Simulator on 4 wheels". The car reactions are fantastic and extremely close to reality (put a RS Shifter and Pro Pedals and it's almost the real thing).
And (people are gonna kill me after this one) I also love the Papyrus Nascar sims, for the impressive array of racing characteristics and the realistic feel of driving a 2 ton car over 180MPH. 3 cars side by side give an incredible rush of adrenalin, specially with a good set of speakers (makes the floor shake).

So, instead of saying what is good and what is pure s**t, try to spend some time with each one and find its best qualities. That's what matters, after all.
 
GT-One Lover
NASCAR???...i think EVERYONE who´s good in GT is very well in nascar racing!!!
ok its pehaps sometimes difficult to overtake but remember ur driving in A CIRCLE!!!
..so tha´s why it isn´t as spectacular for me as to drive in GT!!!
mush.. ;>
you think..ya man but thats pretty much everything, you are free to think what you want, of course, but you would loose 5 to 10 seconds on A CIRCLE every lap against one of the good guys.
 
...that´s what i ment!!!thnx cosmic!...a modified GT-One would beat every nascar (if u put the rear wing as down as possible and change the gear transmission)!!!
 
They aren't sim racers. They are jerks who only can drive around in a circle.
And now ...let's turn leeeeeft and leeft again. That was 1 lap :rolleyes:
 
And also i dont see how nascar games can be soo great thers no money build up so u can get a new car its just pick a normal ford with tune up and go in a circle. The only thing you have to worry about is when people fall asleep and crash. Dale Earnhart he fell asleep i tell ya and the guy that hit him was also sleeping.
 
Div is back
They just want to be cool and trash a japanese game because they are AMERICAN! and die hard nascar fans.

Lets see, I am American, like Japanese games, and hate NASCAR.... hmmm...
 
It really does absolutely infuriate me when people come on and slag GT3/4 off because it is 'easy'.

Er, reality check please. If you hadn't noticed driving a road car, even a high performance car is pretty dam simple. You don't go flying off at the first corner you approach!!!!

Road cars are very easy to drive, upto a point. They only become tricky when you start too push them very hard. With 'road' tires fitted GT3/4P simulates the handling of regular road cars almost to perfection. A real life driver can feel the similarities between the 'game' and real life driving.

If a simulation is truly realistic it should be easy, not hard to drive a car at regular speeds. Only when the car is pushed to the limits should the handling become tricky.

It is also a little silly also to compare NASCARs, 60s F1 cars etc. to a modern family saloon in the various simulations as they are worlds apart!
 
I'm loving the fact these guys go around in circles, but they stop and resume turning a few times whilst doing so. Doesn't sound particularly circular.

Let's all remember to be tolerant of others and their differences, or at least get some good arguements against NASCAR happening.
 
"Let's all remember to be tolerant of others and their differences,"

AWWWW eagle, spoil sport! :D

btw this game should be worth buying a ps2 for, they cost next to nothing now anyway :) I bought my ps2 for gt4.
 
First off, don't count me as a "misinformed redneck." I'm a young black male and nowhere near NASCARville.

But anyhow, I generally think NASCAR is mostly 43 drivers racing V8s down a track in tanks and race ovals because, no speed freak loves one too many turns. Hell, I think the Australian V8s put up more of a fight and can turn left and right. I mean, the Holdens and Fords in that series LOOK stock with the only difference being a rear wing. Australia doesn't have naming conflicts about stuff like here in America, so I'm waiting on a decent V8 Supercar game.

NASCAR gaming fans who dislike GT obviously need to be re-taught what real racing is.
 
Don't get me wrong - i'm no great lover of NASCAR - but i hate to see all of these american (mostly) kids slagging off their own racing heritage. I presume since they hate Nascar so much because of the' turning left' thing, then they also hate IndyCar (or whatever they call it these days, IRL?) - so what does that leave you with?

99% of all famous american racing drivers and manufactures have raced in Indy or Nascar at some point - so owe their fame to this 'turning-only-left' style of racing.
 
Surprising to me that so many motor-racing fans, as it seems everyone here is, are so closed-minded, to the extent that the guys in post number one are about GT.

To simply say NASCAR (presumably all other oval racing is included in this too) is just turning left, with no skill required at all is ludicrous, and only makes you look like you have no idea what you're talking about. If you can't see the skill in driving at those high speeds inches from 2 or 3 cars and a concrete wall then I'm interested to hear your opinion on driving alone on track in an F1 car with traction control, or maybe the no-corners-at-all drag racing requires even less skill?

Be thankfull that there is so much variety in motor-racing, appreciate that it all takes skill to get to the top, even if it's very specialist skill that wouldn't easily transfer to most other forms of motorsport, but who said that it had to?
 
You know what really surprises me?

I have seen posts by three people I know from racesimcentral.com here and they all defend NASCAR and NR2003 and rightly so. And one of them was suprisingly and unusually civil in his way.

What I see here is a pissing contest by little kids with hurt pride. Get over it, some people here sound exactly like the NASCAR sim racers described in the first post and are not one dot better while complaining about something they are themselves.
It's way to easy to feel better by putting something else down.

NASCAR may put emphasis on another field within the racing skill set, but it still needs skill and practice and whoever compares racing cars of different series in their capabilities should ask himself if it makes any sense to compare purpose-built cars that have to comply with different rulesets in performance, design and safety.

Grow up, kids.
 
I'll admit i've taken several cheap shots at NASCAR mainly b/c it's fun and easy... but if this is turning into the serious why do you like/dislike NASCAR thread then here's why i dislike it.

I find that the racing itself is boring for the most part. I'm not into seeing cars crash and burn at 200mph. I like to watch racing to appreciate driver skill and team strategy in navigating a race. There's no doubt that it takes skill to drive NASCAR and to win... but i think the skill is hidden by the subtly of it and the monotonous lap after lap of going in a circle.

Most lap times for a driver (with the exception of pit laps and cautions) are within fractions of a second of each other, in fact the last time i watched a race they focused more on the speed of the car then the lap times... what happens is the skill of gaining .3 seconds in NASCAR by drafting or taking a slightly different line through the banks is lost b/c of the minor change... whereas in racing like F1 or GT cars lap times car very by several seconds and they have constant interval updates, or he's set the fastest sector time where it brings more immediate attention to wow that guy's driving really well.

Sure F1 is predictable right now with the greatest driver (perhaps ever) dominating, but the fact that in a race his lap times can vary by close to 3 seconds shows much more evidently to the common race fan how much skill the drivers have and how hard it is to post consistent fast lap times... i mean Schumacher stretched an 11 second lead to 22 in 15 laps with no pit stops 'artificially' increasing the lead... that's incredible, especially at that level... you'd never see that in NASCAR b/c of the nature of the track and race style.

I also get more enjoyment seeing a driver be able to gain time on the track itself, by taking corners more effectively then watching a guy setup a drift for 5 laps to pass a guy through the banked turn. I also think in racing terms it's way easier to pass in NASCAR then things like F1... you can't run 3 or 4 cars wide around the track in F1 which i think really shows driver skill especially how some guys make overtaking in F1 look very easy when they get their chance and others walk that tight line on the edge b/w making the pass and causing a pile up (eg Barichello @ France).

Anyway i've got more, but hopefully that's something to chew on.
 
Okay, in my agrument, I wanted to talk about NASCAR itself then. But here's a different view. Maybe some people think that GT isn't a pure sim as far as racing dynamics go. Or maybe for the whining about wanting to see car damage (sick of those bastards sometimes). I know full well because I've played Sierra and Papyrus's NASCAR sims. They both are realistic in terms of NASCAR, but I would never attack Gran Turismo on this because to me, Gran Turismo 4 is more pick-up-and-play and more adaptable than the NASCAR games I played on my computers in the past.

But I will SERIOUSLY rant on NASCAR if NASCAR game players say that NASCAR makes better sim racing because it's on ovals and passing is much better than with GT's road course dominance. There was another nice Sierra driving sim I once played, and that's called "Indy Car Racing 2." Too bad it's VERY long out of stock. The game features insane speeds, wonderful graphics, and feels more like a racing game because the cars in the game are real race cars. More so than 3,400 lb stock cars that are anything but. Still, though. You got a PS2, money to buy PS2 or PS1 versions of GT games... you go out and get those and enjoying them. There is no reason to dislike GT. If not, you don't appreciate racing. Plain and simple.
 
*Quietly applauds phantasm and John*

I've never been a NASCAR fan, I find it pretty monotonous, but I've watched and enjoyed the odd race, same with drag racing for a while, hell if drifting was on TV I'd probably be pretty amazed at the things those guys make their cars do. Skill is one of the most fundamental aspects of sport, it exists everywhere, it's undeniable. This is further proof comparisons just don't work, so to each their own.
 
I defiantly see there point, nascar is pretty boring but the physics are awesome.
I love how the car can flip onto its roof and if you hit a wall at 120mph, you car isn't going anywhere.....you're done.
Nascar is more realistic but its nascar....the tracks suck.
I'd love to see some of nascars realism in GT4 though.
I hate racing someone that hits every wall around every turn and wins, in nascar that **** wouldn't work.
I'd also like to see nascars car damage in GT4.
 
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