So 1.06 didn`t bring option to save game in mid-championship or endurance?

[Caliper]

This is going nowhere, someone who knows japanese just please tweet Kaz the question about a save or b-spec added to endurance.

 

[CarreraGT]

^^ @Destinkeys, I agree with that, I think I posted something similar earlier in this thread or in another thread. There could be designated check points at which you are allowed to save, eg. after 2 hours for a 4 hour endurance or every 4-6 hours for a 24 hour race. That way you are doing more than just a bunch of short races and you still get a good feel for the "endurance" aspect.

I guess it begs the question though, without mechanical failures and competitive AI, do you really get to experience what endurance racing is all about? It wouldn't matter if you raced 24 hours in one stint (which doesn't happen in real life anyway) or broke it up into 24 1 hour races, the outcome will be pretty similar.

 

[ninjasansan]

The only problem with the argument of the 26 mile marathon is that you could walk that in less than 24 hours. Making the analogy a bit of a struggle to relate.

The other issue is that IRL there are stints and if one were to use that marathon analogy again, there is much less time elapsed in the marathon v the Endurance race.

While I do hold that the value of the endurance race is of course important, it's unreasonable to expect anyone to finish it in one go. That and as long as you do 24 hours of the race is that not enough asked for? I mean how many people would even willing do it if they did it GT4 champ save style(where you had to finish the championship or withdraw)? It is after all 24 hours of driving on the same course.

 

[prymet1me]

Still no one has address the fact that this is a video game with a pause button. And it seems saving for the 24hr races could not be implemented correctly before shipping and they are probably currently looking into a way to add it without breaking something. Then after its added there will be more scuffle on here about it.

 

[RReed43]

I have completed all of the Championship races with an overall "Gold". I didn't feel that it was unfair to do this without a break beyond the natural pause you could take between races. It adds tension and challenge.

Right now I am racing in the "9 hour Tskuba". It will probably take me three days and I am not enamored with having the PS3 tied up. I would be seriously PO'd if I lose progress because of a power failure or a glitch in the PS3.

I will not enter the 24 hour races until I can save progress, ideally at a pit stop. In regard to realism even in real life no driver is asked to run 24 hour straight and it's not an accurate simulation to ask us to. Pausing the game and restarting is a kluged way to accomplish this and it needs to be fixed so we can "save" the endurance races in progress. When that is accomplished then I will enter the races and work my way through them while I do other things with the PS3.

 

[stucar17]

I kind of sit halfway between Devander and Dave on this issue. Yes, I agree that having a 24hr race implies something different than a bunch of short sprints. But no, I am completely against having to do it in one sitting, no pause or anything.

Both seem to miss the point completely.

There MUST be some sort of half ground. Or why have the Endurance in the first place..? Points and cr.?

TBH, my most EXTREME position on it is that you need a minimum 4 hours on, and maximum 12 hours off in between four hour stints. That, IMO would be the best compromise between the extremists. But, given that even THAT might be tough for some, a savable race but NO MORE RACES until complete might be about the minimum that would not make the idea of the race a mockery.

The fact that NEITHER side likes my ideas makes me think I might be onto the right path...

Why have a middle ground, fact is the guys who are against a save option tell us they wouldnt use it anyway, so it wont affect them in any way shape or form. This option needs to be included for the majority of us who are not able to sit in front of GT5 for 24 hrs straight. It also needs to be added so the machine can be used by other members of my family in the meantime. It really is a no brainer. If people think that "playing" a 24 hr game on TV is the same as competing in a REAL 24 hr race then they clearly have no idea.

I just finished the GT Championship and it took me 2 days, with near divorce from my wife because they couldnt have the ps3 because it was tied up on pause mid championship. I am positive i am not the only person in the world with this issue.

Bottom line, if people want to go 9, 12, 24 hrs straight, more power to you. It shouldnt however affect what i want to do in a game i love, and want to finish any way i choose.

 

[Destinkeys]

Why have a middle ground? Seriously?

Look, before we go any further with the running analogy, a 24hr race is not a marathon, it's a RELAY RACE. No-one is expected to run ALL the stages in a relay race.

Secondly, if you are playing the Endurance race in a car that gives you 20+ sec a lap advantage, again, you are NOT 'racing'. You are Carl Lewis being allowed to enter a Special Olympics event, because the organizers couldn't anticipate you ever even WANTING to do something so one-sided and dumb. Guess it's all THEIR fault, isn't it..?

Unless PD add in a conditional save to the Endurance races, they become merely the bad punchline to a VERY long, very bad joke.

And NOBODY is laughing.

 

[stucar17]

I agree with you, it needs the save option, my point is that even with this option people will play it as they want to, or more importantly as they need to to get the race finished. For the people that are against it, the save option wouldnt be used anyway so no need for a middle ground. Just put in save on pit stop and problem solved.

 

[frozzie]

I would have accepted those who argue that 24hrs should be done in one sitting only if it was possible to hire 2 more drivers with me.

Has anyone in the world driven 24hrs straight in a race? no. For me the only solution that would satisfy everyone is to allow B-Spec drivers to take part together.

 

[Destinkeys]

Thing is, the Endurance races offer enormous XP and cr. There ought to be SOMETHING about them that makes that kind of reward justifiable.

My take would be that they HAD to be completed before you can do anything else, even go online. It's POSSIBLE that someone might not be able to do a four hour stint every 12 hours, but I doubt it's many. But even with an unlimited gap between playing shifts, for the Endurance to not be an overpaid bad joke, SOMETHING has to distinguish it from regular races.

I just say, pit and save, then re-join until finished before any other race can be played. Maybe have the rewards slowly diminish, the longer you take to complete it?

I noticed all the hardliner '24hr non-stop' posters have gone silent. Perhaps FINALLY realizing that either using an X1 or hitting pause makes them as guilty as those they want to lord it over...

 

[stucar17]

Thing is, the Endurance races offer enormous XP and cr. There ought to be SOMETHING about them that makes that kind of reward justifiable.

My take would be that they HAD to be completed before you can do anything else, even go online. It's POSSIBLE that someone might not be able to do a four hour stint every 12 hours, but I doubt it's many. But even with an unlimited gap between playing shifts, for the Endurance to not be an overpaid bad joke, SOMETHING has to distinguish it from regular races.

I just say, pit and save, then re-join until finished before any other race can be played. Maybe have the rewards slowly diminish, the longer you take to complete it?

I noticed all the hardliner '24hr non-stop' posters have gone silent. Perhaps FINALLY realizing that either using an X1 or hitting pause makes them as guilty as those they want to lord it over...

Agree 100%. I dont have a prob with the credits and experience points staying, it might take someone 3 weeks to get it finished, but race needs to be completed before other races can be entered.

The games options should be flexible enough to suit everyone, then all bases are covered and it becomes what you want it too, then no-one has reason to complain

 

[cuco33]

I think a pit save option is needed for this. I really don't get why these long enduros don't have something like that. Basically make it so you can't race any event (unless you drop out) until the enduro is done. If you hit pause, you are doing the exact same thing as saving... only with the save option you aren't wasting electricity nor adding unnecessary wear to the PS3. I'd also throw in multiple drivers to boot because in real enduros it's not 1 driver but a team of drivers that have to be cycled, especially the longer events. If you save too frequent via pit stop save, you will get passed by so that fixes any issue with that.

Personally, I also would like the damage system implemented across the game, especially enduros. It's what enduros is all about, how many laps can a car do while surviving the whole event. Each year, every enduro race has cars that DNF and many times it's a result of a bad driving moment or an accident. This past 24hr Le Mans event had almost half of the competing grid not even finishing the race! In 2007 when I went to the event (yes it was epic and awesome and I want to go back), 3 of Audi's P1 cars were in top grid with I believe only 1 of the Pug 908s being very close.. the race ended with only their #1 car finishing the race in first. The other 2 cars didn't finish due to accidents, which resulted in damage too large to repair.

That's a bigger issue for me on why the damage system is in online only?

 

[ScariestGariest]

Thing is, the Endurance races offer enormous XP and cr. There ought to be SOMETHING about them that makes that kind of reward justifiable.

My take would be that they HAD to be completed before you can do anything else, even go online. It's POSSIBLE that someone might not be able to do a four hour stint every 12 hours, but I doubt it's many. But even with an unlimited gap between playing shifts, for the Endurance to not be an overpaid bad joke, SOMETHING has to distinguish it from regular races.

You talk as if adding a save feature would make it like completing a 5 minute farming race. It won't make it any faster to finish it with the option to save. It will just allow those of us with lives to use our $300 toy for something else when we are not playing.

Expecting people to race 4 hours is every 12 is pretty ridiculous too. That's 8 hours a day. You may be jobless and live in moms basement but some people don't really think it's healthy/appropriate/smart to dedicate that much time to a VIDEO GAME.

Now I get that everyone thinks their way is best but honestly the best solution is the one that doesn't adversely affect anyone. That solution would be a simple save. It would still take me weeks to complete a 24 hour race so I don't see why the reward should be less and there isn't a leader board with a big cash prize or a brand new car up for grabs for those that complete the 24 hour races. People already leave the game paused, if you are against a save then start a petition to deactivate the pause button. Otherwise any argument against it is laced with hypocrisy.

 

[Destinkeys]

Dude, read the whole thread before you go off half-cocked.

 

[ScariestGariest]

Dude, read the whole thread before you go off half-cocked.

Me? I did read the whole thread. And that's my opinion. If you would have read the whole thread you would have seen my earlier posts which should indicate that I read something before page 17. Take your own advice.

 

[stucar17]

Me? I did read the whole thread. And that's my opinion. If you would have read the whole thread you would have seen my earlier posts which should indicate that I read something before page 17. Take your own advice.

Easy there cowboy, i think you will find he agrees with you, but has put in a few different options. Time for your meds i think!

 

[jmb27]

Man oh man, so much drama over a simple feature.

Here's the rundown as I see it: The people who want a save feature in endurance have legitimate reasons for not wanting/not being able to have their PS3 on for 24-who knows how many hours.(Family usage of the systems, power bill, inability to be home for more than X amount of hours at a time...)

We all live different lives, and we all have different priorities. To say that PD shouldn't make the game more accessible to us and that it's our fault we can't do select races in the game because of our situations is flat out ignorant. There's a select group of people here who need to get off their high horses, grow up and realize that.

Plus, who cares what people do with the feature? I mean honestly, what effect does it have on your life and on how you play the game? I know: None! You can throw all the analogies you want into the situation(running a marathon? Really?), but it doesn't change the fact that it will have no-I repeat:NO-bearing on how you play the game because you've already made up, in your mind, how you want to play the game.

So again: You need to get off your high horses. We don't care that you've put in/are going to put in the entire 4/9/24 hours to do the endurance races(without pausing, too, don't forget!), and we don't care what you think is the "proper way" to play this game. We really don't. We only care that we have families to support, jobs to go to, bills to pay, obligations to tend to and when we have time to ourselves, we want to slowly but surely make progress in this game we bought.

Absolutly, couldn't have said it better myself!

 

[ScariestGariest]

Easy there cowboy, i think you will find he agrees with you, but has put in a few different options. Time for your meds i think!

I think you will find that I don't agree with the other options. That would be the purpose of my reply, to refute his suggestions. I guess you consider a difference of opinion a handicap, sad.

 

[CarreraGT]

I think you will find that I don't agree with the other options. That would be the purpose of my reply, to refute his suggestions. I guess you consider a difference of opinion a handicap, sad.

What's sad is that you are getting worked up over nothing. On an internet forum... Argue the point, not the person

 

[p-coletray]

Dude, read the whole thread before you go off half-cocked.

I won't read it, but I'll gladly ask this question: What if I had to read the whole thing without stopping or I couldn't comment? Would anyone join GTplanet? It's an endurance thread lol.

 

[ScariestGariest]

What's sad is that you are getting worked up over nothing. On an internet forum... Argue the point, not the person

I was arguing the point. I'm not getting worked up. I'm not the one telling people to take their meds and stop being "half-cocked". I was responding to the original topic. I'm sure you saw that it was others that were "arguing the person" but decided I looked like an easy target. I won't hold it against you.

 

[Caliper]

You don't have to read the whole thread

every page is basicly the same argument over and over again.

 

[stucar17]

I won't read it, but I'll gladly ask this question: What if I had to read the whole thing without stopping or I couldn't comment? Would anyone join GTplanet? It's an endurance thread lol.

boom boom. classic

 

[VetteDawg]

I will not enter the 24 hour races until I can save progress, ideally at a pit stop. In regard to realism even in real life no driver is asked to run 24 hour straight and it's not an accurate simulation to ask us to. Pausing the game and restarting is a kluged way to accomplish this and it needs to be fixed so we can "save" the endurance races in progress. When that is accomplished then I will enter the races and work my way through them

I agree with this 100%.

I just can't wrap my head around the thinking of the creators that decided to have people keep their PS3 on to run a 24 hour race. Some of us have lives...you know, work, kids, things to do. It could take a couple weeks to accomplish. In this era of energy conservation how could anyone in their right mind make a decision like that?

 

[CarreraGT]

I agree with this 100%.

I just can't wrap my head around the thinking of the creators that decided to have people keep their PS3 on to run a 24 hour race. Some of us have lives...you know, work, kids, things to do. It could take a couple weeks to accomplish. In this era of energy conservation how could anyone in their right mind make a decision like that?

Yeah, and then they go and add Grad Turismo Anywhere so you can leave it running while your not even at home

Some of PD's decisions amaze me

 

[Destinkeys]

I think you will find that I don't agree with the other options. That would be the purpose of my reply, to refute his suggestions. I guess you consider a difference of opinion a handicap, sad.

What you missed by not even reading the last few pages, and just jumping in at the end (if it IS the end!) was me arguing vehemently AGAINST those who see no reason for a save whatsoever. And getting flamed for it!

The only point I have tried to make is, unless SOME mechanism for making the Endurance different from regular races is made, the XP and cr. are completely out of whack with the effort to play it. So, even if you don't like the more extreme (but still FAR from the extreme as those suggesting the entire race HAS to be done in one sitting) 4 hours on, 12 hours off (which is typical of a four man 24hr team), at least you can get behind the idea of a save that did not allow you to play in any other race until finished (and I personally like the idea of the XP and cr. slowly going down, the longer you take to complete it), can't you?

But leaping in and attacking me as if I were one of those purists that think there should be NO save at all simply shows you made no effort WHATSOEVER to get a gist of the thread before you waded in. Not sure I like 'friendly fire' threads...!

 

[PAWEL17]

The biggest point to this in-game save, is so you won't hang yourself, after completing 23 hours 59 mins of the race, only to have a power shortage or the PS3 freeze. I have tried it before in GT4, and this is almost exactly what happend(except it was 4 hours to go).

 

[alonsof1fan91]

Can you show me where you addressed this specifically to me before. I must have missed that.

I'm talking about the achievment of completing a 24 hour race within gran turismo 5, not the achievment of completing a 24 hour race in a real world race. Sorry if I hadn't made that point clear but I thought it was kind of a given since I was making the point on a gran turismo 5 forum and not a real world racing forum.

My friend, I doubt that youre able to race 24 hours in one go in a videogame.

The "make driver changes" with friends argument is ********, I don`t see a single line on the game cover or in game which says "do endurance events with friends".

Also, it seems like most people just press start to pause the game if they are tired (or more likely, bored). Whats the difference between pressing pause and being able to save the game?
Your PS3 won`t be staying on for several hours till you decide to race again, other people will be able to use your ps3 again for playing games or watching a movie. And you won`t have to pay a giant bill because you left your PS3 on for a week, cause you wanted to finish a 24hr race.
Oh, and guess what: It sucks to get your whole race ruined cause the power goes down, your PS3 breaks or your wive unpluggs electricity.


Kaz says sometimes ridicolous things. He said they weren`t implementing fast forwarding for B-spec because it would be cheap to beat a 24 hour race in 8 hours. Tell me dear Kaz, whats the difference between watching the stupid AI you designed racing for 24 hours and 8 hours? Nothing.

The biggest point to this in-game save, is so you won't hang yourself, after completing 23 hours 59 mins of the race, only to have a power shortage or the PS3 freeze. I have tried it before in GT4, and this is almost exactly what happend(except it was 4 hours to go).

Give up, they won`t bother trying to understand this argument.
It makes this game, which´s singleplayer mode is the easiest one I ever seen in a racing game, cheap...

 

[chances14]

My friend, I doubt that youre able to race 24 hours in one go in a videogame.

The "make driver changes" with friends argument is ********, I don`t see a single line on the game cover or in game which says "do endurance events with friends".

Also, it seems like most people just press start to pause the game if they are tired (or more likely, bored). Whats the difference between pressing pause and being able to save the game?
Your PS3 won`t be staying on for several hours till you decide to race again, other people will be able to use your ps3 again for playing games or watching a movie. And you won`t have to pay a giant bill because you left your PS3 on for a week, cause you wanted to finish a 24hr race.
Oh, and guess what: It sucks to get your whole race ruined cause the power goes down, your PS3 breaks or your wive unpluggs electricity.


Kaz says sometimes ridicolous things. He said they weren`t implementing fast forwarding for B-spec because it would be cheap to beat a 24 hour race in 8 hours. Tell me dear Kaz, whats the difference between watching the stupid AI you designed racing for 24 hours and 8 hours? Nothing.



Give up, they won`t bother trying to understand this argument.
It makes this game, which´s singleplayer mode is the easiest one I ever seen in a racing game, cheap...

Great post 👍 and i agree with you 100%

 

[snowgt]

I must say I suspect the foremost reason why saves in endurance and championships have not been implemented, is that PD wants to avoid that myriads of cheaters will try to exploit that possibility. They will save, make a mistake, go back, make a mistake, go back, etc. I know, there's lots of other loopholes PD didn't close (and easily could have), but I think that's their main reasoning. They won't just come out and say it, because they don't want to call their buyers "cheaters", but some of them (some would say quite a lot of them) are, if given the chance.

BUT, I think there would be an easy solution to keep the cheaters at bay. You could let people save, but only load each game-save once. That way, if you make a mistake after continuing, you have to continue.

Such a solution would definitely suffice for me.