So what exactly does GTP_ stand for?

[nifty1]

Sorry folks, this probably isn't going to be the thread you thought it was, it's not a simple question and answer!

I, like so many others, have been getting sick and tired of all the idiots we have to put up with during online racing, and because of this I found myself gravitating towards GTPlanet.

I wanted to join the racing ranks of GTP_ and possibly wear the tag, if I was accepted, so ensuring some good clean racing fun, or so I thought!

Last night I ventured into the PP500 Suzuka race, and sure enough there were some GTP_ players racing.

So off we went on the rolling start..coming into the first corner I had a GTP_ driver behind me. So trying to be polite I got right off the racing line but was "helped" off even further by the GTP_ driver!
Ok, I thought, racing incident.

I managed to get past him/her later in the lap, but amazingly, going into the chicane I was rammed into the kitty litter by the same GTP_ driver again!

Now my first question is, is that what all GTP_ drivers consider fair racing?

My car, I later found out, was set to the HSR set up (including S3 tyres), as I had forgotten to change it before the Suzuka race.
I apologise for this, but surely any decent driver could see this and would have been able to pass me quite easily and cleanly at a better position on the track!

Does wearing the GTP_ tag mean you have the given right to force your way through a corner simply because you are GTP_?
I don't think so!

I have to make the corner too you know!
You cannot brake "where you always brake" just because there is a car "in your way!"

You have to accommodate for traffic and pass cleanly and fairly.

My other question is, has anybody here ever driven a race car in real life?
By that I mean a car that has been designed and built specifically for racing, not just a quick road car!

If anybody behaved the way some drivers have behaved in the game and forced my real car off the track I would not be too happy, believe me!

So, your thoughts would be of interest to me, about what being a GTP_Driver actually means!

Regards
N

 

[Earth]

Alot of drivers, including GTP members, have only raced AI for years. It's going to take them a while to learn how to drive in a crowd.

If you want clean racing it's not going to happen, might as well quit like me.

 

[the Interceptor]

Alot of drivers, including GTP members, have only raced AI for years. It's going to take them a while to learn how to drive in a crowd.

Could as well be somebody who just uses the GTP tag to pretend to be a clean racer. Just write the name down and report him here.

If you want clean racing it's not going to happen, might as well quit like me.

Dear Earth,

I do respect and I do understand that you were disappointed with Prologue. However, everyone should make the decision whether or not to like it by him- or herself. The statement that there will be no clean racing whatsoever simply is not true. So I personally think it would be only fair if you keep it to the facts, and don't fill your answers with bitterness.

 

[ExigeEvan]

The GTP tag can't be controlled, anyone can use it just to make it easier to meet up with people they believe are of a suitable standard.

 

[Earth]

Could as well be somebody who just uses the GTP tag to pretend to be a clean racer. Just write the name down and report him here.
Dear Earth,

I do respect and I do understand that you were disappointed with Prologue. However, everyone should make the decision whether or not to like it by him- or herself. The statement that there will be no clean racing whatsoever simply is not true. So I personally think it would be only fair if you keep it to the facts, and don't fill your answers with bitterness.

I am on the verge of trolling, so I'm going to dissappear, but expect many, many more of my type to follow!

My predecessors:

https://www.gtplanet.net/forum/showthread.php?t=106200
https://www.gtplanet.net/forum/showthread.php?t=106325
https://www.gtplanet.net/forum/showthread.php?t=106171
https://www.gtplanet.net/forum/showthread.php?t=106377

 

[kikie]

Most people are not driving realistically. They try to overtakeothers on the inside while the opponent is already on the inside, bumping the poor chap off track. Not sticking to the racing line most off the time. Try to outbrake someone when they are hehind instead of next to each other, bumping the poor chap off track again etc...

Clean racing means, realistic driving! Accidents happen!

 

[the Interceptor]

@ Earth:

Like I said, everyone is free to dislike this game and even return it to the shops if possible. That said, noone should be forced into liking Prologue, and on the same basis, you should not try to force anyone to dislike it. Obviously there were people sharing your opinion before you, and I agree that there will be more in the future.

Anyway, regarding what you're posting at the moment, I can't help but to think that you feel very, very let down by Prologue, and you're trying to make that as clear as possible by overemphasizing it ... and I don't know if that's a good thing.

 

[nifty1]

Most people are not driving realistically. They try to overtakeothers on the inside while the opponent is already on the inside, bumping the poor chap off track. Not sticking to the racing line most off the time. Try to outbrake someone when they are hehind instead of next to each other, bumping the poor chap off track again etc...

Clean racing means, realistic driving! Accidents happen!

I completely agree, that is what I am talking about.
This thread is not here to have a go at PD or the game, which as a matter of fact I think is great and cannot wait for the full release.

This thread was to discuss the driving techniches of people I thought should have known better.

Realistic driving is exactly what's expected, so far from what I've seen, there isn't a lot of that about!

 

[Dragonistic]

Well i bear no GTP tag officially and i've only had GT5P since friday, but i use the 3rd person viewpoint online instead of normal so i can see what's going on around me better and give people space when they need it. It helps alot being able to see when people are trying to pass, so i know when i need to leave space if they have a fender on my inside, or when they arent close enough so i can shut the door.

I'm not really consistent though yet, so my main problem is avoiding silly errors which can put myself in harms way, or slow other drivers. Because of this if i see someone faster behind me (particularly if i know theyre a clean driver) i may just slow on a straight and let them go.

 

[homeforsummer]

I do find that people tend to give little margin for other drivers' error. Of course, sometimes it's hard to avoid if someone spins in front of you, or you don't expect them to recover from an error by driving straight back onto the racing line, but many people don't seem to allow for someone in front braking and things as simple as that.

I have to say though, the GTP racers I've raced so far appear to generally drive pretty well, even if there is a large variation in their speed.

 

[Touring Mars]

Sorry folks, this probably isn't going to be the thread you thought it was, it's not a simple question and answer!

I, like so many others, have been getting sick and tired of all the idiots we have to put up with during online racing, and because of this I found myself gravitating towards GTPlanet.

I wanted to join the racing ranks of GTP_ and possibly wear the tag, if I was accepted, so ensuring some good clean racing fun, or so I thought!

Last night I ventured into the PP500 Suzuka race, and sure enough there were some GTP_ players racing.

So off we went on the rolling start..coming into the first corner I had a GTP_ driver behind me. So trying to be polite I got right off the racing line but was "helped" off even further by the GTP_ driver!
Ok, I thought, racing incident.

I managed to get past him/her later in the lap, but amazingly, going into the chicane I was rammed into the kitty litter by the same GTP_ driver again!

Now my first question is, is that what all GTP_ drivers consider fair racing?

My car, I later found out, was set to the HSR set up (including S3 tyres), as I had forgotten to change it before the Suzuka race.
I apologise for this, but surely any decent driver could see this and would have been able to pass me quite easily and cleanly at a better position on the track!

Does wearing the GTP_ tag mean you have the given right to force your way through a corner simply because you are GTP_?
I don't think so!

I have to make the corner too you know!
You cannot brake "where you always brake" just because there is a car "in your way!"

You have to accommodate for traffic and pass cleanly and fairly.

My other question is, has anybody here ever driven a race car in real life?
By that I mean a car that has been designed and built specifically for racing, not just a quick road car!

If anybody behaved the way some drivers have behaved in the game and forced my real car off the track I would not be too happy, believe me!

So, your thoughts would be of interest to me, about what being a GTP_Driver actually means!

Regards
N

You raise some good points, and I think the clearest way to summarise is this...

The GTP_ tag does not give anyone any special privileges and should not be automatically assumed to be anything other than an identifier as someone who is a member of GTP (and even then, it's not a guarantee of authenticity...)

The main reason for the GTP_ tag is so people can register at the Official GTP PSN ID Registry, which allows them to take part in current/future Official GTP events... but that's all...

As a good example, my PSN ID tag has always been GTP_Mars, but I am not on the Registry... yes, it's lucky for me that the GTP_ tag has since been adopted as the 'Official' tag, but even though it has, it doesn't mean that "GTP_Mars" is automatically a trusted or clean driver! (although I do my best!)

Suffice it to say, anyone can use a GTP_ tag, but only those people listed on Registry can also claim that their GTP_ tag actually means something a bit more substantive than "I surf GTP", which is basically all that my GTP_ tag really means (and anybody else who uses a GTP_ tag and whose name does not appear in the Registry.)

Hope this helps to clear up some confusion....

 

[PlusP357]

Like they said above, the GTP "tag" is not regulated. However, the vast majority of GTP guys I have raced against, as well as others who I recognize from the forums, show great sportsmanship.

For example, tonight I was tapped from behind by drama-kyd and went into the kitty litter. It was a total accident. Instead of carrying on with the race (and he probably would have won) he pulled over and let everyone pass until I got back on the track. Later on in another race, we were neck and neck going down the back straight of Suzuka. Nearing the hard left turn, I decided to let him take the inside and I messed up by lifting too late to let him all the way in and caused us both to crash. My fault. I sent a PSN-PM and apologized. I had to send another apology to another fellow GTP driver that I caused to crash when I pulled back onto the track. I could not see him because he was in my blind spot and he hit me. Again, my fault. No excuse. As a matter of fact, I always send PM's to racers that show clean skills and sportsmanship. I sent 7 just tonight. I get PM's from GTP drivers all the time as well. I saw a number of instances where GTP drivers erred on the side of caution when they clearly had the right of way. You might have been caught up with a couple of bad apples. It's gonna happen anywhere you go.

Everyone has their "off days" as well. They might not be in the groove, their setup might not be working as well online as it did hot-lapping, they may not be familiar with the car, etc. I usually race in the PP500 Suzuka because I do very well there. Today I got bored and switched to the PP750 Suzuka. There's a big jump in how the cars behave. I decided to try my luck in the GT-R, but I just could not get a handle on the brakes. I found that my setup stopped terribly no matter what I tried so I had to get on the brakes much sooner than everyone else. I got rear ended a lot and a few times it was by GTP guys. However, it was not really their fault because I was braking sooner than they expected and had I been braking later (as most cars did) they would not have hit me. After I noticed that everyone was having a hard time "predicting" what I might do next, I decided to switch to another car that I could control better so that I could decrease the drama in an already chaotic online environment. I was having car issues, but the other drivers might not have realized it and thought I was just being a typical online A-hole.

As Earth said, many drivers are new to online racing and need time to adjust. Many online racing sims force all the drivers to race similar cars. In GT5P, a multitude of different cars makes can compete so long as they are similar "points wise". Many drivers new to online racing may not realize, at first, that a different car make that is ahead of you might have completely different handling characteristics. It may brake much sooner/later, or tend to drift out more or cut in more in the corners (and into or across the line that you wanted to take), or it might come out of a corner a little slower than you can because it is prone to spinning under full throttle. A lot of errors are simply due to blind spots. It takes time to learn this stuff so the bad experiences you had with GTP racers may not have been intentional. (Maybe it was. Who knows.) There is no way of knowing what is going on in some other driver's head without some sort of communication. That's why many drivers send PM's and I encourage everyone to do it so this place stays friendly. At least many drivers will get their experience in Prologue and hopefully become better drivers by the time the final version is released.

Also, you mentioned that you were trying to be friendly and moved off the racing line to let a GTP racer past you. You had good intentions on your part and were being a good sport. However, he might not have known what your intentions were although you clearly thought he did. I am not defending anyone and I wasn't there, hopefully , but FYI moving off the line sometimes causes problems. In the past, just about every time I move off the line or slow down to let someone past, disaster ensues. This is because the guy behind me was not totally sure what I was doing. I might actually end up disrupting his line or he thinks I am setting him up to ram him or something. That's how I ended up wrecking drama-kyd tonight. He was probably wondering, "WTF is this guy doing?" My intentions were good, but I should have just kept on and let him make the decision to brake or beat me through. I often think this way because I have "fallen for it" too many times. Heck, look at some of the guys who immediately move to one side of the track at the beginning of a race. More times than not, they are going to shoot right back in and ram someone before T1.

You might have had a bad experience and that is a shame. Online racing can be a chaotic experience at times and I hope it was an isolated incident because I always know that I am going to have a good race when I see there are some GTP guys on the grid.

 

[Ardius]

Hmm, I'm afriad that some of those incidents may have been me last night. Although I cant remember all the collisions I had, I do remember your name (you were driving the blue integra?). The only major incident I had with you that I can remember is one where I took turn 2 at Suzuka a bit too fast and under-steered into you.
I apologise for this and any other incidents that I may have caused, I suppose my only excuse for last night was that I was getting used to the Suzuki Swift and was seeing what its limits were. I normally do give people their space, sometimes I'm perhaps a little too aggressive and make some mistakes here and there, but they are not normally huge collisions and dont normally take people out.
I did have a couple of collisions last night that were because of being shunted from behind, and thus un-avoidable. I also had a couple of people decide to overtake me and then brake heavily in my face, causing them to being punted off because I couldnt react in time. If you were in these types of collisions, again I apologise, but these are usually un-avoidable.

Lastly, I'd just like to say I also had a couple of (very) questionable moments with a GTP member here, so I'm unsure if you are referring to me in all of these incidents you speak of.

Hope to race you again and make it up to you, I also hope this hasnt completely put you off racing with the GTP people, they're not all as bad as me

 

[Touring Mars]

That also highlights something else that the GTP_ tag is useful for... Tracking down the buggers who punted you last night! On a more serious note, "wearing the GTP_ tag" does atleast say that that person is willing to identify themselves and hence be more accountable for their behaviour...

As PlusP has just eloquently explained, stuff is always going to happen and even an otherwise good driver has their off moments. And as Ardius is suggesting, I reckon most GTP_ drivers are more willing to admit/accept their mistakes if and when they occur.

 

[homeforsummer]

I suppose my only excuse for last night was that I was getting used to the Suzuki Swift and was seeing what its limits were

To be fair to you, the Suzuki has chronic understeer as standard, it would need a lot of setting up. You see people online struggling with it all the time, even the tuned one.

 

[nifty1]

Hi Guys,

Thanks for some very concise responses.
So am I correct in saying that anybody who is registered on the GTP forum can use the GTP tag?

I thought there would be a test or acceptance procedure, although saying that, I am harking back to the days when I used to play for several Quake 1 clans! (showing my age!)

Cheers
N

 

[Ardius]

Hi Guys,

Thanks for some very concise responses.
So am I correct in saying that anybody who is registered on the GTP forum can use the GTP tag?

I thought there would be a test or acceptance procedure, although saying that, I am harking back to the days when I used to play for several Quake 1 clans! (showing my age!)

Cheers
N

Read this:
https://www.gtplanet.net/forum/showthread.php?t=105367

I'd just like to know too, was it me or not that was the one you had a bad time with?

 

[01GTP]

What the GTP_ tag means to me.
Its a tag showing that I plan to respect the others on the track, good or bad and that I am a part of a group of drivers that plan to do the same.
By wearing the tag I race with more awareness/cleanliness then I might if I had not chosen to wear a tag representing others. It is a fact that most people racing against GTP_ racers will remember the tag and not necessarily the username attached.
I believe Sphinx has started the tag idea with hopes that by doing so he and the rest of the tag wearers can show a united front against the rest of the gt5 community besides our own competitions.
So lets show our GTP_ tags with pride and kick some arse, cleanly.

And so you know, I don't think I've been punted off the track by GTP_ members on purpose. I've been in plenty of online races and have to say thanks for the mutual respect out on the track. To me it seems most GTP_ racers seem to be pretty good on the track and I hope the gt5 community thinks so also.

Don't forget that to enjoy any GT5P gtplanet official competitions you have to register for a tag first. Even though wearing the GTP_ tag online is a good idea also, I got the tag to join any official gtp competitions mostly.

See you on the track.

 

[nifty1]

Thanks Ardius

I'm not here to start an argument or a fight, it doesn't matter who it was now.

Besides, if I really think about it, I was racing like "a rabbit in the headlights" looking in the mirror thinking "oooh don't get in any GTP drivers way" instead of driving my own race. Of course the fact that I had the car set up completely wrong for Suzuka didn't help!!

And really, when I look at it in the cold light of day, it doesn't really matter at all. I just wanted to clarify a few things

It's just a game after all.

I should really be spending more time and effort on my real car anyway, instead of pretending in a game!
Only thing is I can't drive that in the black of night with a few beers! 👍

Cheers
N

 

[Sphinx]

Last night I ventured into the PP500 Suzuka race, and sure enough there were some GTP_ players racing.

So off we went on the rolling start..coming into the first corner I had a GTP_ driver behind me. So trying to be polite I got right off the racing line but was "helped" off even further by the GTP_ driver!
Ok, I thought, racing incident.

I managed to get past him/her later in the lap, but amazingly, going into the chicane I was rammed into the kitty litter by the same GTP_ driver again!

Now my first question is, is that what all GTP_ drivers consider fair racing?

nifty1,
We have 231 registered GTP_ members, and it is rising everyday from drivers who see our tag online and come here to register. It is impossible for me to verify every members integrity on the track, but I do carry out a brief search for any name that has been tagged as a possible problem driver in the past.

I'm feeling a little put out that you've actually gone to this length to question the integrity of the entire registry based on one single incident that you had with with one possible bad apple out of 231.

If you care to look, there is a complaints procedure for things like this. Please use it if you feel the need to. Here's the link: https://www.gtplanet.net/forum/showthread.php?t=105367