Speed gained from assists

[scottb153]

Can anyone in detail or roughly describe the effect of assistance on speed through the ABS TCS the brake bias and torque distribution I know some of these might not effect speed but I'd like to know how they work? Thanks

 

[TJC_69]

Can anyone in detail or roughly describe the effect of assistance on speed through the ABS TCS the brake bias and torque distribution I know some of these might not effect speed but I'd like to know how they work? Thanks

ABS - ABS 0 in GTS means almost instant lock ups. So default will always be faster.

TCS - You'll always be faster without it in GT. If anyone is faster with it however, i'd be curious to learn about.

Torque - General rule of thumb in all GTs i've ever played would be the more torque you have the better acceleration to compete. In GT5 and 6 i'd always check the torque of vehicles. The Lexus LFA was always favoured for its race winning torque for example.

 

[DriftMethod]

Very brief descriptions:

ABS - Stops brakes from locking up. Default setting is widely considered to be faster. As far as I know it's required to truly be competitive. It is allowed in Daily races as well as the FIA races.

TCS - Controls wheelspin when too much throttle is applied. The higher up the rankings you look, the less you will see people using TCS. It makes exiting corners much easier, but also slower. For those of us who aren't among the best, it can be very helpful for more powerful cars and/or tires with less grip. In my experience, setting 1 doesn't do a whole lot, setting 2 is good for most of the more powerful cars and setting 3 or higher is overkill. It is allowed in Daily races as well as the FIA races. The less skill you have, the more it helps.

Brake bias - Adjusts the ratio of front to rear braking power. Generally put more towards front on cars that oversteer during trail braking and move to rear for cars that understeer during trail braking. Personal preference and driving style dictates the adjustment. Will make you faster if you can set it to your liking.

Torques distribution - For all wheel drive vehicles, adjusts which wheels get power. Similar to brake bias, but during acceleration. Generally move towards rear for cars that understeer when applying power and towards front for cars that oversteer. Again, will make you faster if you set it to your driving style/preference.

 

[KONTRAone]

Torque - General rule of thumb in all GTs i've ever played would be the more torque you have the better acceleration to compete. In GT5 and 6 i'd always check the torque of vehicles. The Lexus LFA was always favoured for its race winning torque for example.

I think the OP was referring to the effects of torque split on AWD cars. In that case, the split determines how much power is sent to each individual axle. The settings depend on each car's characteristics and driver preference. Typically, a car that tends to understeer under power will rotate better with a greater rear bias, and a car that tends to oversteer under power will benefit from a greater forward bias. This setting can also be used to adjust the car to better suit your driving style.

The brake bias will affect how the weight transfers under braking, which can serve to improve dynamics on corner entry. The ideal settings here will once again vary based on car and driving style.

Hope this helps

 

[Sander 001]

ABS - ABS 0 in GTS means almost instant lock ups. So default will always be faster.

TCS - You'll always be faster without it in GT. If anyone is faster with it however, i'd be curious to learn about.

Torque - General rule of thumb in all GTs i've ever played would be the more torque you have the better acceleration to compete. In GT5 and 6 i'd always check the torque of vehicles. The Lexus LFA was always favoured for its race winning torque for example.

I think the LFA was good in GT5&6 because its lower torque meant that PP weren't used on it, meaning that PP were spent on bhp, tires, weight etc

 

[scottb153]

Couldn't have asked for better set of answers cheers guys, I do tend to have my TCS on 3 because I feel like i can push the car to the limit without too much worrying about coming off the track, I've just adapted to manual transmission and I already feel faster having control over down gearing it's also very satisfying to have to learn each cars gearing makes my introduction in to sim racing very intriguing I will slowly knock the TCS down as my next task and as for distribution I understand what it means now thanks

 

[pedrocor]

As referred above, except Brake Bias, it's broken on GT Sport, putting as much as possible towards the rear, you go faster, as it improves trail braking, reducing understeer. In real life you would have constant lock ups of the rear wheels, due to weight transfer to the front while braking, with ABS, to prevent lock ups, it would constantly reduce brake power, you would have almost no braking power.

 

[sturk0167]

TCS - You'll always be faster without it in GT. If anyone is faster with it however, i'd be curious to learn about.

Since I use the controller and X + Square buttons, TCS is a must on powerful, non AWD cars. I would definitely be slower without it. This my best option, even though I'm usually slower than the wheel/pedal guys that don't use TCS at all.

 

[Mat73]

Since I use the controller and X + Square buttons, TCS is a must on powerful, non AWD cars. I would definitely be slower without it. This my best option, even though I'm usually slower than the wheel/pedal guys that don't use TCS at all.

Not 100% sure on this as I don't and never have used the ds4 controller to race with but I could have sworn I read somewhere on here that the x and square are no longer pressure sensitive.

That means if you're using these to accelerate and brake, they are either on fully or off.

You'll never be able to apply light braking or light acceleration.

In which case.....yes...I'd leave the TC on.

 

[TheEvstar93]

TCS - You'll always be faster without it in GT. If anyone is faster with it however, i'd be curious to learn about.

Except in Sport Mode where you'll spin the car way too easily no matter what you try. I'm certain the people who ace the practice time trials of the FiA races are hacking because they don't use TCS and never ever spin. Definitely hacks.

 

[TJC_69]

Since I use the controller and X + Square buttons, TCS is a must on powerful, non AWD cars. I would definitely be slower without it. This my best option, even though I'm usually slower than the wheel/pedal guys that don't use TCS at all.

You should use the GTS default settings and try L2 and R2. You'll have more control over braking and throttle rather than the PS4s "On/off" responsiveness of X and Square, friend 👍

The Evstar93

Except in Sport Mode where you'll spin the car way too easily no matter what you try. I'm certain the people who ace the practice time trials of the FiA races are hacking because they don't use TCS and never ever spin. Definitely hacks.

I don't spin in Sport mode on DS4 with no TC. It's just basic throttle control.

 

[Sarkazmo]

ABS - Stops brakes from locking up. Default setting is widely considered to be faster. As far as I know it's required to truly be competitive. It is allowed in Daily races as well as the FIA races.

I don't think Default is faster. It's easier and more consistent. In my experience using the "Weak" setting maximizes stopping force for shorter stops. This requires more modulation of the brakes on the driver's part to get the most out of it as you won't be able to turn in as easily (I use brake balance to adjust the under/over steer on corner entry) but I think it's helped make me a faster driver. Just my opinion, take it for what you will.

Sark

 

[ARTAsean]

I don't think Default is faster. It's easier and more consistent. In my experience using the "Weak" setting maximizes stopping force for shorter stops. This requires more modulation of the brakes on the driver's part to get the most out of it as you won't be able to turn in as easily (I use brake balance to adjust the under/over steer on corner entry) but I think it's helped make me a faster driver. Just my opinion, take it for what you will.

Sark

By your line of logic, ABS OFF would be the fastest way around a track, since it allows for all the way up to 100% braking force. Yet it's not.

User brake modulation will always be less efficient and less precise than Default ABS in GTS. Weak might have taught you to trail brake, which is good. But ultimately, if you started using Default you'd be faster, and that is the bottom line.

 

[TonyJZX]

By your line of logic, ABS OFF would be the fastest way around a track, since it allows for all the way up to 100% braking force. Yet it's not.

Its been my impression that if you have a top spec wheel pedal setup like a TGT and you're a gun driver who can modulate the brake then you can be better than the one size fits all ABS on.

I do get ya that this will not be the case with the DS4.

 

[DriftMethod]

I don't think Default is faster. It's easier and more consistent. In my experience using the "Weak" setting maximizes stopping force for shorter stops. This requires more modulation of the brakes on the driver's part to get the most out of it as you won't be able to turn in as easily (I use brake balance to adjust the under/over steer on corner entry) but I think it's helped make me a faster driver. Just my opinion, take it for what you will.

Sark

Faster or not, you've earned my respect for using ABS weak. That's a difficult skill to learn.

I probably spent about 2 minutes back in October experimenting with ABS. Never took it off default since then.

As far as I know, all the fastest drivers use default. It would be interesting to see an Alien spend some time using ABS weak and compare lap times. Any Aliens want to help out?

 

[ARTAsean]

Its been my impression that if you have a top spec wheel pedal setup like a TGT and you're a gun driver who can modulate the brake then you can be better than the one size fits all ABS on.

I do get ya that this will not be the case with the DS4.

If this were true, I'm pretty sure that in almost a year of gameplay, we would have seen at least 1 world record of some kind, with ABS off. The aliens have the esoteric peripherals you speak of, and the aliens use ABS default.

 

[ARTAsean]

Faster or not, you've earned my respect for using ABS weak. That's a difficult skill to learn.

I probably spent about 2 minutes back in October experimenting with ABS. Never took it off default since then.

As far as I know, all the fastest drivers use default. It would be interesting to see an Alien spend some time using ABS weak and compare lap times. Any Aliens want to help out?

You're confusing ABS weak and ABS off. The average player wouldn't notice the difference between ABS default and ABS weak.

 

[DriftMethod]

You're confusing ABS weak and ABS off. The average player wouldn't notice the difference between ABS default and ABS weak.

I'll have to try ABS weak again, but I thought there was a big difference. Won't be able to play for a while, but will give it a shot and report back. Still would be better if an Alien tested it out.

 

[Alpha Cipher]

Except in Sport Mode where you'll spin the car way too easily no matter what you try. I'm certain the people who ace the practice time trials of the FiA races are hacking because they don't use TCS and never ever spin. Definitely hacks.

Nah man you're just bad at throttle control

Get. Good.

I'll have to try ABS weak again, but I thought there was a big difference. Won't be able to play for a while, but will give it a shot and report back. Still would be better if an Alien tested it out.

You're alien enough for us to trust you test 100%
I'm just an astronaut but I wish I could help, but I don't have my pedals right now

 

[DriftMethod]

Nah man you're just bad at throttle control

Get. Good.

You're alien enough for us to trust you test 100%
I'm just an astronaut but I wish I could help, but I don't have my pedals right now

I appreciate your confidence in me, but now I have to question your judgement.
Obviously, you didn't see my FIA races today. All I can say is

We can all test it out and report back.

 

[Alpha Cipher]

I appreciate your confidence in me, but now I have to question your judgement.
Obviously, you didn't see my FIA races today. All I can say is

We can all test it out and report back.

One bad race doesn't define you
I mean I was last on my race, but I think I'm not that slow

Anyway I'll get my pedals back in ~3 days, am curious to try this out myself

 

[DriftMethod]

One bad race doesn't define you
I mean I was last on my race, but I think I'm not that slow

Anyway I'll get my pedals back in ~3 days, am curious to try this out myself

I got last too!

Manufacturers was a little better, qualified somewhere around 6th, spun once and finished 9th I think.

edit: If 2 people either rage quit or got disconnected, was I really last?

 

[Alpha Cipher]

I got last too!

Manufacturers was a little better, qualified somewhere around 6th, spun once and finished 9th I think.

edit: If 2 people either rage quit or got disconnected, was I really last?

Eyyy 2 people also rage quit/disconnected from my race
Fair question though. Are we really last?

 

[DriftMethod]

Did an ABS test at Brands GP in the Megane Trophy.
BoP on.
Stock settings.
No other aids used.

ABS Weak = 1:28.535
ABS Default = 1:28.339

Comments:

I was surprised that with ABS Weak I was only 2 tenths off.

Mainly felt like I just needed to use less pressure on the brakes.

Turn 2 was weird with ABS Weak. Quite a bit of oversteer when trail braking and reducing brake pressure. As long as the resulting slide was controlled, it didn't hurt my time.

Definitely harder to be consistent with ABS Weak. I'm sure with more practice it would be better, but I'd still want Default in a race.

 

[Greycap]

As referred above, except Brake Bias, it's broken on GT Sport, putting as much as possible towards the rear, you go faster, as it improves trail braking, reducing understeer. In real life you would have constant lock ups of the rear wheels, due to weight transfer to the front while braking, with ABS, to prevent lock ups, it would constantly reduce brake power, you would have almost no braking power.

Not necessarily. We don't know the actual adjustment range but it's definitely not 100%/0% at -5 and 0%/100% at +5. It's probably something like 70%/30% at -5, 65%/35% at 0 and 60%/40% at +5, with the "zero point" differing between cars.

 

[GTWelsh]

As referred above, except Brake Bias, it's broken on GT Sport, putting as much as possible towards the rear, you go faster, as it improves trail braking, reducing understeer. In real life you would have constant lock ups of the rear wheels, due to weight transfer to the front while braking, with ABS, to prevent lock ups, it would constantly reduce brake power, you would have almost no braking power.

Have you tried ABS-Weak? i think ABS-Weak should of been "default", because it's pretty good! Allows lock ups without being stupid like ABS OFF.

ABS-Default is OP imo and would be pretty nice to restrict lobbies/High DR sport mode races to Weak.

My point being full front brake bias with ABS-Weak = lock ups, lots of lock ups.

 

[Alpha Cipher]

Not necessarily. We don't know the actual adjustment range but it's definitely not 100%/0% at -5 and 0%/100% at +5. It's probably something like 70%/30% at -5, 65%/35% at 0 and 60%/40% at +5, with the "zero point" differing between cars.

@barkohba did a GTS to AC comparison regarding this, and he found that GTS' race cars in general have a 60/40 Brake Balance AC equivalent when it's set to 0, while putting it to 5 is more of a 53/47. Maybe he can explain in more detail

 

[Sarkazmo]

By your line of logic, ABS OFF would be the fastest way around a track, since it allows for all the way up to 100% braking force. Yet it's not.

User brake modulation will always be less efficient and less precise than Default ABS in GTS. Weak might have taught you to trail brake, which is good. But ultimately, if you started using Default you'd be faster, and that is the bottom line.

My line of logic does not point to OFF being the fastest. I said nothing about OFF and was only comparing WEAK and DEFAULT. Weak still gives you ABS it just doesn't compromise that with the being able to slam the brakes and still turn in like you're not slamming the brakes. I started with default, drove that way until a couple of months ago, and I always found myself up someone's ass in braking zones as if I couldn't stop in even close to the same distance. That rarely happens now. It took a while to get used to the different style of driving but once I did I found that I could brake later than other drivers allowing me to pass in braking zones or more easily defend my track position in those areas as well. And yes, it can teach one trail braking, but I've been trail braking for years with the GT series (and other driving games.)

You're confusing ABS weak and ABS off. The average player wouldn't notice the difference between ABS default and ABS weak.

That's a bit insulting to average drivers. The difference between the two settings is very noticeable. I may not be the average driver but I'm far from alien level and the difference between the two settings for me is like night and day.

Did an ABS test at Brands GP in the Megane Trophy.

I was surprised that with ABS Weak I was only 2 tenths off.

Mainly felt like I just needed to use less pressure on the brakes.

Turn 2 was weird with ABS Weak. Quite a bit of oversteer when trail braking and reducing brake pressure. As long as the resulting slide was controlled, it didn't hurt my time.

Definitely harder to be consistent with ABS Weak. I'm sure with more practice it would be better, but I'd still want Default in a race.

If you would, please give it a week or two to really test it out and definitely use it in races. Brake hard initially then gradually release. I found that a lot of the time I needed to only barely squeeze the brake to put me at the perfect speed with great turn in.

Maybe I'm completely wrong but it's what works for me.

Sark

PS - I'm not a wheel driver, I only use the DS4 if that makes any difference.

 

[Ofuscor]

In my experience I adjust brake balance towards the front between -2 and -3 as it seems to shorten braking distance a bit. It is a bit understeery but if I ease off the brakes enough I can still trailbrake.

I have no idea about abs weak vs default

 

[DriftMethod]

If you would, please give it a week or two to really test it out and definitely use it in races. Brake hard initially then gradually release. I found that a lot of the time I needed to only barely squeeze the brake to put me at the perfect speed with great turn in.

Maybe I'm completely wrong but it's what works for me.

Sark

PS - I'm not a wheel driver, I only use the DS4 if that makes any difference.

I'm using a wheel and pedals, so even more impressive that you're using a DS4! I'll definitely practice with ABS Weak, but probably after the FIA races are over. I don't think I can focus on anything new in those races and I'm sure it will take me a while to be consistent.