Well, another idea would be to crown the best in class after each race. Not a perfect solution but a way to give more players a sense of achievement, let's pretend we have a race like this.. we don't have to pretend since it clearly happened
Best in every class gets a special mention after the race plus money and mileage bonus, and we add a Class Win counter on top of all the other stuff.
On one hand I get where you’re coming from, wanting to get all the trophies to “complete the game”. I’ve been a gamer my whole life, and do consider myself as a bit of a completionist in most games (at least that’s usually my intent, doesn’t always work out ).
Try to take a step back though, look at it from a different perspective. You admit you’re a casual gamer, yet you want to chase a platinum trophie. In games in general, if all the platinum trophies were accessible to the vast majority of players, what would their significance be other than merely a participation ribbon of sorts?
I think it’s ok for a game to have a couple platinum trophies that are really difficult to get, and are more than just a pure time-sink related thing. Whether or not “get 100 wins” is a good achievement to associate with this kind of unicorn trophy or not, I don’t know.
I said it wrong: I'm a casual GTS gamer, not generically a casual gamer. I actually put my hands on a PS4 on december 2016 with my second payment from work EVER, I completely skipped the PS3 generation (couldn't afford it), yet in two years of not full time gaming, since I have an 8-hour-a-day job for 5 days per week plus social life, I got quite a lot of trophies and platinums, so I wouldn't call myself a complete casual. But as I said, it was a mistake on my part.
I'm not, and never will be, on the same level of A, or even B, drivers in GTS, for various reasons, of which one is using a DS4 and another not dedicating enough time to perfecting my skills, getting to know the perfect racing line, or generically "git gud", as many would just say to me. With this I do not intend to say that GTS "aliens" are no-lifers who wake up, play, eat in front of their bazillion dollars wheelstand, go to bed: I just prioritize my gaming time differently...though deep inside I know I could never be as fast no matter what. After all, GTS is indeed my first ever time I'm racing against real people, and not predictable AIs (never bothered with the NFS series, carnage is not enough to describe that online).
I am however a trophy collector: I go through entire maps collecting stupid objects, I defeat bosses at the highest difficulty level while doing challenges during the fight, I'd link you my old WoW profile to show you how much of a completionist I am, and how do I like tough challenges, but this one is a challenge I cannot overcome. I'm just bad, and the requirements are insane, but I still want those trophies, I want to collect them for...well, no proper reason, as you get nothing in return but personal satisfaction, and I can't go from 12th to 5th to obtain them.
I have 7 wins in total, all of them were obtained in particular conditions: one was actually my first ever GTS race, a one make on DTS with the Audi TTS, when I was DR E/SR C or whatever you are when you begin. The most recent one was a one-make in Tsukuba with the S660, when I was paired with an entire grid of D/B people like I was back then. Problem is, even when I was not winning, I was still improving my starting position most of the time, so I went up to DR B and started being matched with A's and A+'s. Never got a higher result than 5th since then, no matter the race.
I once managed to pull out a 1:34.575 in Lagos with the Gr.3 Lexus Prototype, never managed to get such a time, felt proud of myself especially since I was 3 seconds faster than a friend of mine. That time gave me a 12th position on the grid, so imagine the feeling.
In short: if you went through this wall of text, I salute and thank you. But, PD made those trophies which are, at the current status of matchmaking, only achievable by the "aliens", since there is no chance for a C/B like me to beat A or A+ drivers...still, I want them xD
I said it wrong: I'm a casual GTS gamer, not generically a casual gamer. I actually put my hands on a PS4 on december 2016 with my second payment from work EVER, I completely skipped the PS3 generation (couldn't afford it), yet in two years of not full time gaming, since I have an 8-hour-a-day job for 5 days per week plus social life, I got quite a lot of trophies and platinums, so I wouldn't call myself a complete casual. But as I said, it was a mistake on my part.
I'm not, and never will be, on the same level of A, or even B, drivers in GTS, for various reasons, of which one is using a DS4 and another not dedicating enough time to perfecting my skills, getting to know the perfect racing line, or generically "git gud", as many would just say to me. With this I do not intend to say that GTS "aliens" are no-lifers who wake up, play, eat in front of their bazillion dollars wheelstand, go to bed: I just prioritize my gaming time differently...though deep inside I know I could never be as fast no matter what. After all, GTS is indeed my first ever time I'm racing against real people, and not predictable AIs (never bothered with the NFS series, carnage is not enough to describe that online).
I am however a trophy collector: I go through entire maps collecting stupid objects, I defeat bosses at the highest difficulty level while doing challenges during the fight, I'd link you my old WoW profile to show you how much of a completionist I am, and how do I like tough challenges, but this one is a challenge I cannot overcome. I'm just bad, and the requirements are insane, but I still want those trophies, I want to collect them for...well, no proper reason, as you get nothing in return but personal satisfaction, and I can't go from 12th to 5th to obtain them.
I have 7 wins in total, all of them were obtained in particular conditions: one was actually my first ever GTS race, a one make on DTS with the Audi TTS, when I was DR E/SR C or whatever you are when you begin. The most recent one was a one-make in Tsukuba with the S660, when I was paired with an entire grid of D/B people like I was back then. Problem is, even when I was not winning, I was still improving my starting position most of the time, so I went up to DR B and started being matched with A's and A+'s. Never got a higher result than 5th since then, no matter the race.
I once managed to pull out a 1:34.575 in Lagos with the Gr.3 Lexus Prototype, never managed to get such a time, felt proud of myself especially since I was 3 seconds faster than a friend of mine. That time gave me a 12th position on the grid, so imagine the feeling.
In short: if you went through this wall of text, I salute and thank you. But, PD made those trophies which are, at the current status of matchmaking, only achievable by the "aliens", since there is no chance for a C/B like me to beat A or A+ drivers...still, I want them xD
Like I said before, I fully understand where you’re coming from as far as being a completionist in games. I’m a fiend for the “collect all the XYZs in each level” type of trophies. I played WoW back in Vanilla and BC, I now play ESO, so I know all about the trophy collecting and achievement hunting. Think about it, should every casual player who touched wow get the trophy for killing the hardest bosses in the game? Don’t know if you know eso at all, but there’s a platinum trophy for becoming Emporer in PvP, which takes a max level character in specific max level gear, using a specific and detailed strat while no-lifing for days on end, all while trying to politic with several hundred to a few thousand people to help you out (or at least no 🤬-block you). Do I want that trophy? You bet. Will I ever get it? Nope. Just like a lot of things in life, there’s a lot of things that I want, but have little to no chance of actually getting.
So just like with anything, I have two options at my feet. I can manage my expectations of things I “want”, or I can put in the work to actually get those things. This sort of, third option, the one of asking someone else to make the system function in a better/different way to make the things I want more achievable, I think it’s both a little immature, and unrealistic, and will only lead to disappointment.
I guess it is an attitude of “get gud”, but to me, “get gud” is one of the two options available - the other being to manage my expectations.
Like I said before, I fully understand where you’re coming from as far as being a completionist in games. I’m a fiend for the “collect all the XYZs in each level” type of trophies. I played WoW back in Vanilla and BC, I now play ESO, so I know all about the trophy collecting and achievement hunting. Think about it, should every casual player who touched wow get the trophy for killing the hardest bosses in the game? Don’t know if you know eso at all, but there’s a platinum trophy for becoming Emporer in PvP, which takes a max level character in specific max level gear, using a specific and detailed strat while no-lifing for days on end, all while trying to politic with several hundred to a few thousand people to help you out (or at least no 🤬-block you). Do I want that trophy? You bet. Will I ever get it? Nope. Just like a lot of things in life, there’s a lot of things that I want, but have little to no chance of actually getting.
So just like with anything, I have two options at my feet. I can manage my expectations of things I “want”, or I can put in the work to actually get those things. This sort of, third option, the one of asking someone else to make the system function in a better/different way to make the things I want more achievable, I think it’s both a little immature, and unrealistic, and will only lead to disappointment.
I guess it is an attitude of “get gud”, but to me, “get gud” is one of the two options available - the other being to manage my expectations.
Point taken, I get it, just like I was running around Dalaran with "Bane of the Fallen King" above my head back in WotLK while others weren't. Similar situation. I have indeed come to peace with my soul that those two gold trophies will always show "incomplete" (them being rarer than GTA V's platinum says it all), I still don't think it's fair, or rather, it's kinda demotivating. Seeing that the lap time you struggled so hard to obtain only gives you a 12th place on the grid, it kinda demolishes you. Especially when you see that the first four on the grid are 3 seconds faster than you, so you go and watch the top 10 replays, and can't understand a bit about what you did wrong, or how the hell did they manage to take said corner at said speed when all that happens when you try the "exact" (it's clearly not, but it's all you can grasp) same is a wall in your face, or a picnic with a circuit marshal.
I'm bad and willing to admit it, let me play with other bad people please
(No, I don't ESO: I cut it all out with MMOs after I was letting WoW kinda ruin my life, my WoW account has been frozen for the past 7 years).
So much to read here, so I'm sure it's already been said, but....
this kind of matchmaking doesn't only affect the lower ranked players but happens at the A and A+ level as well, it's just backwards for the A+ guys....they are stuck with the slower ones (like me) and if they don't take P1 or P2, they lose points because they are expected to win. This is also why it's easier to gain points by not placing last if you are a D-rated driver in a lobby with C and above.
I'm a mid level A-rated driver and I fluctuate between lower and upper A. There are almost always a few A+ guys in my races that are 1-2 seconds faster than everyone, sometimes more. There are also almost always B-rated drivers and even C-rated drivers in the backfield too, 1-2 seconds slower than me. It's easier for them to gain points by only beating a few of the drivers, and it's easier for me to lose points by letting some of those B-drivers past me.
Pretty much the only way I win races anymore is if one of the fastest guys messes up bad, or if my SR goes below 90 and I'm matched with slower people. How is my situation different from C and D rated drivers' experience? You have little chance to actually win, but it's easier to gain points when one of us messes up and you pass. Or, if you just have a better race, which indicates you're improving. The only difference is that for D-drivers, there aren't slower people, which is why it's easier to gain large amounts of points when you finish ahead of just a few people in the lobby.
So what I'm saying is that this "problem" affects everyone in different ways, not just the lower ranked drivers. I have to deal with it, you have to deal with it, friggin guys like FT_Nico and Z28 all have to deal with it. Now I am happy finishing in the top 5 because I know I stand little chance of beating the A+ guys.....until I get better that is.
Not to the D level racer that just won against a field full of D racers. He worked just as hard and relishs his win just as much as any other racer of any other ranking.
I don't really see how you can argue that someone casually lapping around, unwilling to put adequate effort in to improve (as has been expressed in this thread), has worked as hard as someone who put the time & effort in to get there, and then get results against far stronger competition.
I think you missed the guys point; it's not the win that's of any significance, it's the sporting performance.
You are right we will not agree but again for the easier opponent shot you keep taking why not make it a realistic opponent the racer has a real legitimate chance.
Your comments say a person basically should not expect a race win until they reach A level as long as they keep using the lower ranked drivers as pawns to fill the upper level racers grids.
Because it simply isn't how the game's matchmaking is geared to work. Everyone gets matched with faster drivers. A and B-ranked drivers are matched with A+ & top 10 drivers. Unless you're at the 75k cap, you will always be matched with some drivers who are faster, and some who are slower, and you gain/lose score proportionate to your performance; that's the whole point.
I accept you may struggle to get wins at D rank currently, but I mean, I hate to tell you, but if you're not prepared to put in the minimal amount of effort required to advance beyond DR D, then you're probably not going to be winning many races - this shouldn't come as a surprise to anyone.
It’s clear what side of the coin I my perspective comes from. The game does offer rewards. You get stuff for all golds and passing missions time spent cars bought photos taken etc.
They could offer more in game sport mode bonuses like for clean overtake or personal best time or a bonus even by sector for best time in sport mode for a sector related only to the individual so that you would feel it when you improve a bit and maybe that would encourage folks, but conversely they do have clean race bonus. They could even do ‘stayed on racing line for a lap or 2 laps or what have you. Maybe more little things to give folks a sense of accomplishment during sport mode.
For me the reality on the trophies is reality. When I was a kid a trophy represented an achievement. Now in most kid stuff they give em all participation trophies. Is that really a trophy? If everyone can get it what’s the point? What would the meaning be? I didn’t know what gaming trophies were until six months ago.
I am kind of getting a sense of the gaming community which is primarily younger relative to myself I am sure.
I can see that it would be an enhance,ent of the game in sport mode to highlight the little things better to each individual player no idea how difficult it would be to implement though.
At the end of the day it’s a racing game. Knowledge of racing seems like in this game that it does provide a big advantage and makes sense to me. It should be challenging for a gamer without much knowledge of Motorsport.
I just dunno. My experience as a d was if I put in a ton of practice like on a110 at Tsukuba I could put up a qualifying time that would start me in the top 5. I did not experience that no matter how much effort I put in I saw no result. Even at C if I put time in on qualifying I could near at the front. Maybe not every time but quite often.
I just don’t think that in a racing game winning races should be easy. In real racing winning is a result of a lot of things and is a big deal in any class of Motorsport. That’s the way it is.
I don't really see how you can argue that someone casually lapping around, unwilling to put adequate effort in to improve (as has been expressed in this thread), has worked as hard as someone who put the time & effort in to get there, and then get results against far stronger competition.
I think you missed the guys point; it's not the win that's of any significance, it's the sporting performance.
That newer racer is not in their mind "casually lapping around" but doing the best that their limited skills allow them to currently do. Sure they may and should improve over time with experience and move up the rankings.
But again just because that racer may not have the desire to be in the very top level and occasionally plays does not in any way indicate that every time he plays he does not do the absolute best he is capable of.
So for that driver at that time to his ability does that lessen his sporting performance if he is doing the best he is capable of?
Just because someone is not totally dedicated to reach the very top levels should not limit having the ability to play the game, have fun and get the normal games rewards against others of his same abilities and interest level.
This is a game sold and marketed to appeal to the masses and not a hardcore sim racer, hell this game is so simple you cannot even adjust tire pressures period or do any tuning to the drivetrain or suspension in most Sport Mode races so please lets not talk about how serious the racing is .
The top guys have the FIA championships and top 24 races and some will make the world finals as their reward for their hard work and dedication those are the rewards for being at the top and the best.
I accept you may struggle to get wins at D rank currently, but I mean, I hate to tell you, but if you're not prepared to put in the minimal amount of effort required to advance beyond DR D, then you're probably not going to be winning many races - this shouldn't come as a surprise to anyone.
I am not at a D ranking and I am not struggling to get wins at the D ranking at all period, I do not race in that classification so save your condenscending little speech for advancing out of the D class with the minimal effort required for another time and someone else. This conversation is not and was not started to be about me or by me. I do agree with the OP and the situation that lower ranked players face with the matching.
I see the same within my classification as well only the poor D guys in with A+ and A racers man give me a friggin break, that is absurd and no I do not think that situation should be occurring under any circumstance period.
A+ and A racers and even B racers that need their grids to be filled with D ranked racers to feel like they have a "full" race maybe they are the ones that need to examine exactly what they classify as 'sporting".
The use of multitude of aids or even all of them is a common practice amongst B racers, meaning that they cannot even reliably keep the car on the track at B pace. This is not something offensive but rather a reality description of your current level, and there is no shame in it, at all.
Actually I am a mid level B driver and I race GR3 as my favorite class, then GR1 next and lastly GR4 as they keep the BoP so screwed up in that class on the cars I like to drive.
I race all class of cars with ABS weak only, no other aids including traction control. So describing the B class racers as a level that cannot keep a car on the track without multitudes of aids does not accurately describe most B class racers that I am aware of.
full grids where SOME of the people are on your skill level and some aren't? This means they could be faster or slower, not only faster.
or half-grids (or less than half) with people all around your same skill level?
I wonder if the guys starting in the back when Schumacher was on pole only wanted to race against the guys in the back, or if they wanted the opportunity to beat Schu and company? Even amongst professional drivers the differences can be vast on any given day/track.
I think this thread does a lot to explain why racing games have been in a decline sales wise. The elitism in this thread makes me feel embarrassed to be a racing game fan.
full grids where SOME of the people are on your skill level and some aren't? This means they could be faster or slower, not only faster.
or half-grids (or less than half) with people all around your same skill level?
I wonder if the guys starting in the back when Schumacher was on pole only wanted to race against the guys in the back, or if they wanted the opportunity to beat Schu and company? Even amongst professional drivers the differences can be vast on any given day/track.
Yep and those Pro racers are being paid to race within a series in a certain car or for a particular team so they agreed and signed a contract to do so.
Pd advertised racing EQUAL competition in sport mode, tell the D racers on the grid with the A+ and A ranked drivers that the terms of their racing contract has not been breeched!
Half grids of closely matched racers will be just as good if not better racing for the lower ranked guys that never see the higher ranked racers anyway.
Also should not be a big deal for the high ranked guys, do not need to worry about being crashed by a car being lapped if they are not there.
But some of the high ranked guys want every DR point they can farm from the lower ranked racers no matter how few it may actually be.
That newer racer is not in their mind "casually lapping around" but doing the best that their limited skills allow them to currently do. Sure they may and should improve over time with experience and move up the rankings.
Just because someone is not totally dedicated to reach the very top levels should not limit having the ability to play the game, have fun and get the normal games rewards against others of his same abilities and interest level.
I am not at a D ranking and I am not struggling to get wins at the D ranking at all period, I do not race in that classification so save your condenscending little speech for advancing out of the D class with the minimal effort required for another time and someone else.
A+ and A racers and even B racers that need their grids to be filled with D ranked racers to feel like they have a "full" race maybe they are the ones that need to examine exactly what they classify as 'sporting".
I think most A+ and A racers spend their time in Sport Mode doing the FIA races not the dailies, tbh, and they do so to race against more evenly matched grids - literally the opposite of your snide insinuation.
None of the ideas or suggestions in this thread would deem the game inaccessible to any people, regardless of age. Also, an overwhelming majority of GTS owners do not play Sport Mode, so most people aren't accessing it anyway.
The problem is simply a lack of players, that's really all it comes down to. It's either full races with varied skill levels, or half-full races with drivers closer in skill.
Personally, I never used to play in Sport Mode and only did one-player stuff against the AI or mostly casual lobbies. The most exciting part of the lobbies was when the rooms got mostly full and I had a packed race. As I got better and was thirsty for more, I eventually stopped lobby racing because I learned that it was much easier to find a full grid in Sport Mode, on top of that it was more rewarding. I think full races are a big part of what makes Sport Mode exciting, and the varied skill levels makes it higher risk but also higher reward for everyone involved (except for the A+, it's just high risk).
The point I was trying to make by comparing F1 guys starting in the back is not that everything in the game should be just like real life, but that any race, anywhere, you can anticipate there being a significant margin in skill level from front to back...not only in professional racing. If I go to the local go-kart track and rent a kart to race against other people who also show up on that day, what should I expect?
Sure, PD says they are matchmaking for similar skill levels, and one could argue that they are by matching with SR first before DR, since SR can equate to skill level as well, as others have pointed out....but I think to them it's more important to convey the perception of A LOT of people playing the game than it is to cater to a small percentage of users who have specific complaints about their matchmaking.
None of the ideas or suggestions in this thread would deem the game inaccessible to any people, regardless of age. Also, an overwhelming majority of GTS owners do not play Sport Mode, so most people aren't accessing it anyway.
The problem is simply a lack of players, that's really all it comes down to. It's either full races with varied skill levels, or half-full races with drivers closer in skill.
Personally, I never used to play in Sport Mode and only did one-player stuff against the AI or mostly casual lobbies. The most exciting part of the lobbies was when the rooms got mostly full and I had a packed race. As I got better and was thirsty for more, I eventually stopped lobby racing because I learned that it was much easier to find a full grid in Sport Mode, on top of that it was more rewarding. I think full races are a big part of what makes Sport Mode exciting, and the varied skill levels makes it higher risk but also higher reward for everyone involved (except for the A+, it's just high risk).
It doesn't boil down to one isolated issue though. Are there too few A+ guys in the weekly races playerpool? Heck yes. The D and Bs however are in abundance. The main issue is SR. Not only can for example D drivers attain SR;S but they can also inflate it by artificial means by cruising at the back. It just doesn't make any sense how a D driver can be rated S in the first place. No way in hell he has the same racecraft as A+ player. Prove me wrong.
If lower DR drivers were limited to a certain SR (lets say B, like they probably should be) the A-D;DR matchmaking wouldn't even be a thing in the first place.
None of the ideas or suggestions in this thread would deem the game inaccessible to any people, regardless of age. Also, an overwhelming majority of GTS owners do not play Sport Mode, so most people aren't accessing it anyway.
The problem is simply a lack of players, that's really all it comes down to. It's either full races with varied skill levels, or half-full races with drivers closer in skill.
Personally, I never used to play in Sport Mode and only did one-player stuff against the AI or mostly casual lobbies. The most exciting part of the lobbies was when the rooms got mostly full and I had a packed race. As I got better and was thirsty for more, I eventually stopped lobby racing because I learned that it was much easier to find a full grid in Sport Mode, on top of that it was more rewarding. I think full races are a big part of what makes Sport Mode exciting, and the varied skill levels makes it higher risk but also higher reward for everyone involved (except for the A+, it's just high risk).
The point I was trying to make by comparing F1 guys starting in the back is not that everything in the game should be just like real life, but that any race, anywhere, you can anticipate there being a significant margin in skill level from front to back...not only in professional racing. If I go to the local go-kart track and rent a kart to race against other people who also show up on that day, what should I expect?
Sure, PD says they are matchmaking for similar skill levels, and one could argue that they are by matching with SR first before DR, since SR can equate to skill level as well, as others have pointed out....but I think to them it's more important to convey the perception of A LOT of people playing the game than it is to cater to a small percentage of users who have specific complaints about their matchmaking.
They may not make them inaccessible, but it will sure as hell drive them away.
Also, by the time someone gets to F1 they’ve spent time in lower ranks and know winning isn’t everything. Go karts for instance are one of those lower ranks.
It doesn't boil down to one isolated issue though. Are there too few A+ guys in the weekly races playerpool? Heck yes. The D and Bs however are in abundance. The main issue is SR. Not only can for example D drivers attain SR;S but they can also inflate it by artificial means by cruising at the back. It just doesn't make any sense how a D driver can be rated S in the first place. No way in hell he has the same racecraft as A+ player. Prove me wrong.
If lower DR drivers were limited to a certain SR (lets say B, like they probably should be) the A-D;DR matchmaking wouldn't even be a thing in the first place.
It doesn't boil down to one isolated issue though. Are there too few A+ guys in the weekly races playerpool? Heck yes. The D and Bs however are in abundance. The main issue is SR. Not only can for example D drivers attain SR;S but they can also inflate it by artificial means by cruising at the back. It just doesn't make any sense how a D driver can be rated S in the first place. No way in hell he has the same racecraft as A+ player. Prove me wrong.
If lower DR drivers were limited to a certain SR (lets say B, like they probably should be) the A-D;DR matchmaking wouldn't even be a thing in the first place.
That's not a bad idea, but it wouldn't fix the issue completely, as A and A+ drivers would now be racing alone, and there's not many of us online in Sport Mode at any given time. I prefer full races, but I realize it's a preference.
I don't want it to seem like I'm completely out of touch with this issue, it affects me too and just earlier today I was complaining about how I got matched up in yesterday's Nations race with mostly players with capped or nearly capped DR, while I'm at 40k.
Yeah I complained, but I understand why it happened that way and don't really expect it to be changed because it wasn't the best outcome or experience for me. There will be other races, and I will either get better, stay the same, or get worse....all of which will directly affect my future experiences and outcomes in Sport Mode. Considering the newly implemented lax penalty system, I'd rather not race against drivers that are drastically below my SR level if I don't have to. I've been beaten by DR.B and DR.C drivers, probably even a D awhile back, either from me making mistakes or because those guys were getting better. I'm sure they appreciated the opportunity to gain a ton of DR from me at the time.
by the time someone gets to F1 they’ve spent time in lower ranks and know winning isn’t everything. Go karts for instance are one of those lower ranks.
That's not a bad idea, but it wouldn't fix the issue completely, as A and A+ drivers would now be racing alone, and there's not many of us online in Sport Mode at any given time. I prefer full races, but I realize it's a preference.
I don't want it to seem like I'm completely out of touch with this issue, it affects me too and just earlier today I was complaining about how I got matched up in yesterday's Nations race with mostly players with capped or nearly capped DR, while I'm at 40k.
Yeah I complained, but I understand why it happened that way and don't really expect it to be changed because it wasn't the best outcome or experience for me. There will be other races, and I will either get better, stay the same, or get worse....all of which will directly affect my future experiences and outcomes in Sport Mode. Considering the newly implemented lax penalty system, I'd rather not race against drivers that are drastically below my SR level if I don't have to. I've been beaten by DR.B and DR.C drivers, probably even a D awhile back, either from me making mistakes or because those guys were getting better. I'm sure they appreciated the opportunity to gain a ton of DR from me at the time.
What irony? Starting out at lower ranks and racing against others in that same rank teaches you a hell of a lot more than being thrown into a pool of sharks with blood in the water.
What irony? Starting out at lower ranks and racing against others in that same rank teaches you a hell of a lot more than being thrown into a pool of sharks with blood in the water.
No different than starting in the back with the other people who are starting in the back.
Lewis Hamilton started out karting, but was waaaay more skilled than some of his competitors. Should they have been grouped together? Or should we just tell them that winning isn't everything?
They may not make them inaccessible, but it will sure as hell drive them away.
Also, by the time someone gets to F1 they’ve spent time in lower ranks and know winning isn’t everything. Go karts for instance are one of those lower ranks.
Given your username, I’d expect you of all people to understand that just because you’re slower at certain things doesn’t mean you don’t do them well.
Not sure i follow your remark regarding my username. But if you think artificial SR gain or/and avoiding traffic at half throttle compared to top racers merits the same prestigious rank as them, think again.
Apart from the elitist snobs constantly looking down at you at the front you mean?
Lewis Hamilton started out karting, but was waaaay more skilled than some of his competitors. Should they have been grouped together? Or should we just tell them that winning isn't everything?
Not sure i follow regarding my username. But if you think artificial SR gain or/and avoiding traffic at half throttle compared to top racers merits the same prestigious rank as them, think again.
I accept you may struggle to get wins at D rank currently, but I mean, I hate to tell you, but if you're not prepared to put in the minimal amount of effort required to advance beyond DR D, then you're probably not going to be winning many races - this shouldn't come as a surprise to anyone.
Say what you want now but you wrote that directly aimed at me as a response to a statement I made and if it was to respond in a general sense would have been the D ranked racer or something along those lines not using the word you 4 times in one running on sentence.
A+ and A racers and even B racers that need their grids to be filled with D ranked racers to feel like they have a "full" race maybe they are the ones that need to examine exactly what they classify as 'sporting".
I don't really see how you can argue that someone casually lapping around, unwilling to put adequate effort in to improve (as has been expressed in this thread), has worked as hard as someone who put the time & effort in to get there, and then get results against far stronger competition.
I think you missed the guys point; it's not the win that's of any significance, it's the sporting performance
I think most A+ and A racers spend their time in Sport Mode doing the FIA races not the dailies, tbh, and they do so to race against more evenly matched grids - literally the opposite of your snide insinuation.
I am not the one that earlier within the thread made comments about its not the win that's of any significance, its the sporting performance.
My remark was in direct response as I do not see where having racers in the same grid at 5 levels lower than the top racers in that grid would actually be classed as sporting for the upper ranked racers, more along the lines of shooting fish in a barrel maybe but surely not sporting would be how I would classify it.
I think most A+ and A racers spend their time in Sport Mode doing the FIA races not the dailies, tbh, and they do so to race against more evenly matched grids - literally the opposite of your snide insinuation.
I do not know when this screenshot was taken as it was posted a bit earlier in the thread by another member( seems to be from August 18th 2018) but it does not show the total lack of A ranked players within the sportmode ranks so again so maybe that sporting remark I made is the one actually on point and not a snide comment but the truth .
If you as an A+ ranked racer honestly feels like that racing and beating D ranked players is sporting I feel for your sense of what you consider sporting within Sport Mode races. T hat in my opinion is pretty pitiful and this goes out to all the A+ racers that think this way and not just you. I am if nothing else I am an equal opportunity asshole!
The guy who made an autism joke wants to talk about elitist snobs? Hopefully not referring to me. I was DR.D just a few months ago, getting my butt handed to me by basically everyone. Last year at this time it had been about 15 years since I played any video game regularly, so I'm not that far removed from experiencing these same struggles, and in fact still experience them.
Lewis advanced, just like anyone here will when they win or do reasonably well. You will also start closer to the front if you improve your qualy time. Until then, you start where you start. Even as an A-rated driver I start in the back sometimes, with B-rated guys in front of me.
It wasn’t meant to be personal. Just because someone is autistic doesn’t mean they don’t do things well. Just like a D rated driver can still have good race craft.
If anyone takes that personal, I sincerely apologize.
Point taken, I get it, just like I was running around Dalaran with "Bane of the Fallen King" above my head back in WotLK while others weren't. Similar situation. I have indeed come to peace with my soul that those two gold trophies will always show "incomplete" (them being rarer than GTA V's platinum says it all), I still don't think it's fair, or rather, it's kinda demotivating. Seeing that the lap time you struggled so hard to obtain only gives you a 12th place on the grid, it kinda demolishes you. Especially when you see that the first four on the grid are 3 seconds faster than you, so you go and watch the top 10 replays, and can't understand a bit about what you did wrong, or how the hell did they manage to take said corner at said speed when all that happens when you try the "exact" (it's clearly not, but it's all you can grasp) same is a wall in your face, or a picnic with a circuit marshal.
I'm bad and willing to admit it, let me play with other bad people please
(No, I don't ESO: I cut it all out with MMOs after I was letting WoW kinda ruin my life, my WoW account has been frozen for the past 7 years).
Look, maybe there’s something to be said about your point about PD dangling the 100 wins in front of people.
Think of this. If there were a platinum trophy that said “win an FIA esports championship”, or “win GT acadamy”, something like that....would you lose any sleep over not being able to get it? Personally, I’d take one look at that trophy and say, “so ya, that’ll never happen,” and basically never give it a second thought - and I don’t think I’d be alone in this way of thinking.
The 100 wins though, at first glance, that seems much more achievable, seems like a platinum trophy that should be relatively easy to knock off. Maybe PD could have said 1000 wins, and then most casual players like ourselves would like at it, laugh, and move on. So maybe, for whatever reason, 100 is too tempting, or something.
At the same time though, some of management of the expectation of earning those 100 wins falls back on us, and maybe there’s a large portion of gamers out there (people like myself who grew up playing GT, starting last and finishing 1st in every race) who don’t have enough “respect” or appreciation for what it takes to get 100 wins against real opponents.
I’ve only been playing for a month and a bit, but in 88 races, I have 7 wins, 2 poles, and 9 fastest laps. Just the achievement for wins alone, at the rate I’m going, it’s going to take me 1257 races to get 100 wins . I get bored AF after 2 laps of qualifying, so that ones going to take probably 10x as long (yes I know if I work on quali my race results will improve).
The point is though, while I don’t consider myself fast by any means, I do know a thing or two about racing, and more often than not, I finish higher than I started. For me, that’s a win. If I can manage to finish higher than I started, or if I get punted in T1 manage to recover to where I started, or hold off a faster driver who dropped back early in the race - to me, those are all wins. A podium, that’s a win. And doing any of those, while having a clean race, double win!
Sure the game doesn’t track a lot of those stats, but my approach is, who cares! Perhaps it would be nice if it did actually. If there was a +/- stat, or a “clean overtake” stat, I’d be for that (and my stats would be pretty damn good ). So maybe the game could do a better job at tracking a wider variety of stats, because at the end of the day, there’s a hell of a lot more to being a complete racing driver than literally some “if you ain’t first, ur last” type of thinking
To relate some things back to our mmo experiences (and I know you’ll relate or at least be aware of this).
Look at the number of times the arguement, “the ranking system, and the inability for low ranked players to earn wins, is a major turn off for casual players, and thus a major part of the reason Sport mode hasn’t been as popular as it could/should be”.
So like I said before, on one hand, players can blame the system for poor match making and making wins too difficult, or they can manage their expectations, and be truely honest and humble about their abilities (let’s face it, we all like to be humble and say we’re slow, but deep down, we all still think we should be faster than the next guy). My point here is that, in a way, people’s unrealistic expectations of what it takes to earn wins online against a full grid of real opponents basically ruined the gaming experience for them.
Now, to relate it to the MMOs. How many people did you meet in your MMO days who basically ruined their own gaming experience by failing to manage their expectations (with the additional point being that this failure to manage expectations in the game actually leads a lot of people to then fail to manage their real lives...hence “the game is ruining my life”....been there, done that, I know from experience).
It doesn’t matter if it’s chasing that elite title that only 0.01% of players earn, or staying up to date with the latest arena gear, or even keeping up to date with the latest dps meta after a patch to make sure your pew pew deeps is l33t - it’s not any different from assuming you can jump into online racing an win 100 (or 1000, whatever number you want to pick) races just like that. And if I let the desire, the “want”, to achieve those things ultimately ruin the gaming experience for me, well, I’m the one who loses.
As far as your point about putting in your best effort in qualifying, only to end up 12th on the grid, and that being de-motivating. In WoW, ever had an experience that would akin to, your in a city going to town on a target dummy, testing you deeps. You just finished collecting the last piece of a set you needed, got everything upgraded or whatever, you go to the dummy, kill it, see some decent numbers pop up, you’re feeling pretty proud of yourself. Then someone wearing a goofy clown costume or something walks up to the dummy next to you and basically 1-shots the thing (and they’re a jumper, 🤬 I hate jumpers!). Now you’re standing their holding your limp sword, thinking “wtf was that??? What am I doing wrong”. Or some experience along those lines. Do you let that demotivate you, or to you flip the script on the situation and let it become your motivation to improve (while still staying grounded in regards to things like the pace of your improvement).
Like, when you were parading around with your max level gear and rare title, when some noob would walk up and start circling around you, checking out your gear and title, then going on google to see how to get them.....and then getting smacked in the face by the realty check of, “oh damn, that’s a ton of work”...is that motivating, or demotiving for them? I think only they can decide, for themselves.
This entire thread has spawned from people having a lack of understanding of Sport Modes current player base state, and the way it divides SR divisions. That's all and I can't be bothered to pour anything else onto the fire because I'll get called elitist for basically anything that I type. There is no perfect solution and this game handles this issue better than basically any other.
This now is completely off-topic, but as this thread seems to be well visited, here my main recomandation to all those who are trying to get out auf DR D/C:
Get a wheel! Really. I played today just for fun with the DS4, and even its well made in GTS/PS4 compared to PS3/PS2, its not fun and much more difficult for me. I guess I would never have reached high DR with a DS4.
You dont need a seat or a wheelstand. Just put the wheel on a table or the desk at your pc. You can use your pc- monitor, doesnt have to be the tv always.
This entire thread has spawned from people having a lack of understanding of Sport Modes current player base state, and the way it divides SR divisions
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. I get bored AF after 2 laps of qualifying, so that ones going to take probably 10x as long (yes I know if I work on quali my race results will improve). 
