Sport modes biggest failing for the slow to average driver.

[rono_thomas]

uhh, because if they do, they'll need to expand

What question are you answering here?

5,000,000 + bought the game, less than 6% have played more than 20 races. They would need to expand what?

Yes.

So what would you say to the folk that find it doesn’t?

 

[Alpha Cipher]

What question are you answering here?



So what would you say to the folk that find it doesn’t?

"Then why isn't A matched with A, B with B, C with C, and D with D?"

 

[rono_thomas]

"Then why isn't A matched with A, B with B, C with C, and D with D?"

5,000,000 + bought the game, less than 6% have played more than 20 races. They would need to expand what?

Where is the evidence that they are at capacity?

 

[Alpha Cipher]

Where is the evidence that they are at capacity?

Go play at the lower SR levels yourself if you wanna know the answer

 

[rono_thomas]

Go play at the lower SR levels yourself if you wanna know the answer

Where is the evidence that they are at capacity?

 

[willbegone]

heres a thought instead of races being the way they are , how about doing them by your rating ? For example SR rating you have .For example have sr e level races only and if you tack on enough wins go to next level , if you cannot maintain that level drop down a level or don't advance.Its just a rough idea .But there seems to be so much confusion on this matter. Im sure I will get a lot of feedback which is greatly welcomed thanks

 

[VFOURMAX1]

This statement is only true if the whole grid is A+ then there's one D driver. This isn't the case now, is it? The D driver may still finish in the front field- maybe 5th at worst if there's 4 A+. So, if you're finishing at the back half of the field I think you need to look at your skills first than blaming the matchmaking

So you forgot that in addition to the 4 A+ drivers to add in the 4 A drivers and then the 6 B drivers with a full grid of 20 racers that it only leaves what a maximum of 6 spots for the D ranked guys?

I got out of school a long time ago, in the dark ages for many of you but by the math I learned in the above scenario if a D ranked racer beat all the other D ranked racers within his ranking that he is expected to beat and no higher ranked racers which he is not expected to beat ranking wise then the best possible finish for such racer would be 14th in that lobby.

Now if that same racer had of ran in a race that was all D ranked racers and beat all of the racers within his ranking level then that racer would have finished first! He may have even had a pole and may have also pulled off a fastest lap AMONG EQUAL COMPETITION which none of those goals were possible in the first race scenario to a true D ranked driver.

I will be damned a scenario where a D ranked player could win a race, such a ridiculous concept to even consider

So maybe instead of continuing to blame the racers lack of skill level and telling such racer to get better perhaps quit giving the higher level rankings full grids with racers not capable of being competitive at the higher levels. There is a reason they are ranked D and not A!

They seriously messed it up when their intro said "Driving is for everyone". News flash it's not. Well, at least Sport mode is if it's just going to devolve into players whining why they can't win when they haven't put the effort in

There are multiple levels within the game supposedly, use them as they should be used.
This game is not supposed to be for the hardcore sim racer only, it is for everyone and the Sport Mode aspect is failing as a major content draw for the masses.

Something that is deemed not popular by the game studio may not even be included in the next edition of GT.

The hardcore guys that really put in the time and effort in Sport Mode should actually be the loudest advocates for seeing content utilized to keep the mode of play popular for the mainstream players to keep the mode relevant in both the current and future editions of game for the studio .

With all this big talk about FIA championships PD is not even currently utilizing and promoting with any fanfare the championship top 24 races to the gaming base through the PS4 much less to the public that I am aware of.

Does not bide a lot of confidence in how important this aspect of the game appears to be thus far.

If they killed the entire online aspect of sport mode tomorrow I would not lose any sleep and neither would many of the players of the game.

It is a shame really as it does have so much potential that is being wasted in my opinion. Cater to everyone not just one small group and it seems that matching caters to top guys by using lower ranked players to fill their grids right on down the list first.

And yes this could be B race lobbies being filled with C and D races as well. The further down the ranking pecking order you are the lower your chance it appears to get a equal ranked race.

Hell a D ranked player from the way it seems could only get a full D lobby after every other ranks lobbies were full. If that is indeed the case then it is worse than I had initially thought. No wonder most players are only playing 20 races or less!

 

[ShiftingGears]

Sport mode is the only reason I play the game. The matchmaking works for me.

But the bread and butter is having a good offline mode, and I think more people would attempt races in sport mode if it was complementary to good offline racing.

 

[cleanLX]

I only got to page 7, so forgive me.
I did however put some time/thought into my response.
It's not meant to stir the pot, but I would appreciate any all discussion.
I will not get into a bantering session.
The quotes are not here to point fingers, simply apply my thoughts to what has been discussed thus far.

To me, it doesn’t make sense that a bunch of DR-D drivers should be matched against other DR-D drivers ~ what would the significance of a D rated driver beating other D rated drivers be? Is it the same as an A driver beating another A driver, or would it require a separate calculation?

Look at Dr. not as a driver rating, but as a racing classification... street stock, super stock, stock eliminator, modified, gas, pro...
If you are street stock, is it fun to have a stock eliminator, or, modified run in your class?
Have a look at any sports organization in the world... they will have not only separated classifications based on age group(not getting into that), but also on skill level.
No imagine I'm a decent triathlete (big stretch) at the beginner level in the 50-55 year old age group... I've been progressing to the point I may get get a win... then the organizing body slips in 2 or 3 - 25 year old pro's ... mmm ok... thanks... so much for my opportunity to get a win or 2 and move up to intermediate...

Seems to me like people are willing to accept that they’re not the fastest, but they still want to compete for race wins.

Within their classification, absolutely, but not over all... the FIA races will sort out the serious racers, the rest are amateurs or, sportsman... simply looking to race hard in their class. Think about this, how many Dr.D drivers are getting stuck there because all the points are getting eaten up by Dr.B and above folks jammed into their grid?
I wonder how many would be promoted to C, or B if given the chance to a larger percentage of the points by placing higher in the grid against equal competitors vs placing last, or near last race after race?
Think of how many Dr.D racers would be racing on a regular basis if they had a chance at winning, or, at least getting a podium.
Reference above triathlete scenario.

I think you also have to factor in that DR is based off of both qualifying time, and race results. If it was just split by quali times, I could see how a system could work to match people by quali times, but when race results get out in the mix, it becomes tricky. Someone might be a poor qualifier, but really consistent and clean in races, allowing them to win by more than 10-15 seconds. At the same time, you could have someone in the same race who qualifies well, but races really poorly. Seems to me if you tried to come up with a system where everyone was placed against drivers who both qualify and race at the same level, we’d only ever see a max of 3ish people in each race.

I'm actually all for that too. But then Dr has nothing to do with anything.
At least in this scenario you'd be placed with folks at a competitive pace, which is not the case right now with Dr.A+ being placed with Dr.D folks.

You always have aliens. You always have faster drivers. You always have average drivers. You always have slower drivers. You always have bad drivers.
Those are mostly all put together in a race in sportmode. This seems just like real life so the matchmaking is not that bad based on this notice. I do not think its fair to put all the aliens together. Driving 20th as an alien doesnt make you an alien. I do not think its fair to put all the bad drivers together. Driving 1st as a bad drivers doesnt make you a bad driver anymore. Etc for the rest.

Driving 20th in the aliens only field is no different than being Dr.D in a field of Dr.B and above.
Why should a slow Dr.A+ driver not have to realize he's/she's slow... at Dr.A+??
It's ok for a Dr.D driver to acknowledge they are slow, and suck it up, and have no chance of winning/competing, but it is not ok for a Dr.A+ driver to have no chance of winning?
I don't know that that makes any sense at all in a Dr. classification system at all.
Apply that to a system where Dr. is removed and the race grids are populated on qualification pace alone, and, if "player" is number 20 in the region then, guess what... ?
And, if "player" is winning at Dr.D, "player" will be moved up to Dr.B so that "player" is now placed with racers of similar pace/classification ... and if "player" is placing last at Dr.A+, "player" will be moved back to Dr.A, where "player" will have a chance to be competitive again.

I find it very odd that the A+ drivers want a full grid, with the system the way it currently is.
It's essentially a race of the top 3 now, so, really, what's the great desire to have 17 other cars on track? Especially when it seems the majority of players want lapped cars to ghost... what the heck is the point of the other cars at that point? "Players" are not racing them, and, then, if "players" do come up to lap them "players" still want them to get out of the way(blue flag)/ghost vs racing them.
There is literally no point of having Dr.D/C drivers on the same track as Dr.A+/A drivers. none... other than to bolster appearances.

the use of "player" above is due to, using "you" makes it personal and involves finger pointing, and that is what i am trying to avoid.

Please discuss.

 

[VFOURMAX1]

It's essentially a race of the top 3 now, so, really, what's the great desire to have 17 other cars on track?

DR points, has actually been brought up!
But it appears by some of the responses those same upper level racers do not see where getting those DR points at the expense of the lower ranked slower paced racers being used realistically for a grid filling DR points farm is wrong and should not be a situation those lower ranked players should be in for the upper ranks benefit.

After all, again it has been stated they earned it with their hard work and years of study!

 

[Strax]

If only they hadn't put some insane gold trophies related to Sport Mode, such as 91 wins and 60+ poles, I'd be fine with being always matched with superior players. Being a trophy hunter, Sport Mode tends to grind my gears quite a lot.

 

[Krypton78]

My thinking is the current matchmaking does the best out of the problem that there are to less players to fill all lobbys with equal DR/SR -combinated players.

The only thing I can imagine what could be done quickly for increasing players at a timeslot is simply lowering the amount of timeslots and make races longer. If race C is once an hour and raised from 25min to 45min for example I think more players would be available at a timeslot.

 

[mthomas_95]

But see this is where the differences come in, there are serious players that want to gain every 10th they can that will spend hours pouring over videos and watching the top guys.

But then there are just average gamers that are happy with whatever pace they run, they do not care about being faster or being the pointed end of the spear. They just want to race and have fun.

Well I'm afraid Sport Mode isn't for them then if they have no desire to get better. It doesn't take much to get to DR B pace in all honesty, just basic racing and driving theory gets you that far. The hard work is actually finding and extracting the final 2 seconds or so of ultimate pace. People with no desire to improve can go and race the AI and have their ego massaged for easy wins there. If they're just happy to drive about what's the issue with being 'grid filler'?

They seriously messed it up when their intro said "Driving is for everyone". News flash it's not. Well, at least Sport mode is if it's just going to devolve into players whining why they can't win when they haven't put the effort in

Basically this. Problem PD have is they are swimming against a 20 year tide of people getting used to racing games where winning against AI is everything and less about the quality and enjoyment of racing. Then for the PS3 generation online racing was rage inducing for anyone wanting a good race and the only way you could do a competition with any integrity was with time trials, so a generation of hotlappers who panic when a car is within a second was born . Now we finally have the network ability to do genuine online racing and it's a change many are struggling to adapt to.

 

[Sander 001]

In this case I think you are mistaken. The most likely reason for the matching I can come up with is that the game considers sportsmanship more important than skill in matching.. C-S gets matched with A-S. A-C gets other S rating C&D types.

If you are C driver rating and dont want to face As, then the solution is to get your S rating down to B or even C for a while. Bit sad really.

If I’m a C/S driver, why am I not being matched with other C/S drivers??

 

[kjeldsen]

Well I'm afraid Sport Mode isn't for them then if they have no desire to get better. It doesn't take much to get to DR B pace in all honesty, just basic racing and driving theory gets you that far. The hard work is actually finding and extracting the final 2 seconds or so of ultimate pace. People with no desire to improve can go and race the AI and have their ego massaged for easy wins there. If they're just happy to drive about what's the issue with being 'grid filler'?



Basically this. Problem PD have is they are swimming against a 20 year tide of people getting used to racing games where winning against AI is everything and less about the quality and enjoyment of racing. Then for the PS3 generation online racing was rage inducing for anyone wanting a good race and the only way you could do a competition with any integrity was with time trials, so a generation of hotlappers who panic when a car is within a second was born . Now we finally have the network ability to do genuine online racing and it's a change many are struggling to adapt to.

Somehow I thith you missed the point.

Why should a Sunday driver compete with Lewis Hamilton. Please don't say get good..

Maybe the game should introduce handicaps and added weight to the a+ players when they race c drivers..

 

[IAMDOODLEBUG]

Somehow I thith you missed the point.

Why should a Sunday driver compete with Lewis Hamilton. Please don't say get good..

Maybe the game should introduce handicaps and added weight to the a+ players when they race c drivers..

To be fair, I would be interested in implementing such an idea. There could be a BOP boost or hit by DR. The only issue would be that it could divide the community if it was optional, therefore it would need to be enforced within Sport Mode as a whole. FIA could then be the esports mode for competing with standard BOP. The main issue which would 100% arise is the penalty system. By bringing everybody closer together, the penalty system would need to be more robust than it is now. By the very nature of differing skill levels, those who are normally faster will (or should) have better car control - the penalty system needs to perhaps utilise AI or contain more complex algorithms to make more informed decisions as to who is at fault.

 

[Sven Jurgens]

One solution that could work, in my opinion, would be to match players by SR first, and by qualifying time second. There would have to be a solution for sandbagging your qualifying time, but i think that is possible. For example if your fastest race lap is faster than your qualifying lap, this will be taken for matchmaking instead.
It would keep the focus on clean races, which is important, but would also promote more close races, with players with similar time being matched together.

Instead of qualifying time it could use your race history on that track to determine an average pace to group people together. My main beef atm is that I often get matched with people that don't seem to know the track very well at all. How come I still get to race drivers that don't know the basic braking points at Bathurst while I've completed 384 races there!

Tying DR and SR to each track (and maybe car GR) separately would solve a lot of issues imo. Having a safety and speed rating per track means your DR and SR is directly tied to your experience on that track and you wont have high DR max SR people entering a track with zero experience there. The game can still calculate an overall DR/SR rating as well, yet for matching it would be better to use separate ratings for each track/car combo.

 

[mthomas_95]

Maybe the game should introduce handicaps and added weight to the a+ players when they race c drivers..

That's the funniest thing I've read today so congrats on that

I entertained that idea for a few seconds, it would be similar to putting the A+ drivers into Gr4 cars and C/D's into Gr3 the level of BoP required to level the field. I don't see that leading to absolute carnage at all! Also the central problem at the moment is a lack of incentives for A+ and A drivers to compete in Dailies, how is that supposed to help?

Why should a Sunday driver compete with Lewis Hamilton. Please don't say get good..

Why should Lewis Hamilton then have to be slapped with huge handicaps because the Sunday driver can't be bothered? I think the idea of Sport Mode being about competitive online racing has gone over a few heads.

 

[cleanLX]

Story time...
Many moons ago, on a Saturday, the Nurb 24 was up.
I've spent years hot lapping Nurb-Nords, since GT4 I would say 90% of my time on game has been on this one track, and I'm "ok" on the GP circuit.
At the time I was low Dr.B Sr.S/99.
I grabbed my favorite car and put in a serious practice/qualifying session.
I was excited to see in my first race I was starting in 5th, then I noticed the grid was full of Dr.S(at the time) and Dr.A drivers... I was the only B.
Some of those Dr.S players were/are well known "fastest of the fast aliens"...
I raced several times that day, race after race, and rarely saw another Dr.B driver. My starting position varied from 3rd to 8th, and my finishes were 2nd through 5th.
Yes, I gained a tonne of points.
Yes, it was exhilarating to race with Dr.S/A drivers.
Yes, I was fast enough to hang on to their tail (for a while) and learn some things.
Yes, I even beat one of the fastest players in the America.
(but, if I'm honest, he was litterally stopped in front of the grand stands when i went by him... and then only beat him by litterally inches).
No, I would not have had it any other way.
No, I am not the typical "gamer" looking only to win... So I'm not sure my positive outlook on that experience would be shared by the majority who would have instead been disappointed at not being matched with other Dr.B with an opportunity to earn wins.

I am not complaining, because the level of pace and cleanliness/sportsmanship encourages me to become an A/A+ racer...
But where were all the other Dr.B players I should have been matched with?
You cannot tell me there were only 4 or 5 Dr.B/Sr.S players online over a 3-4hour stretch, in all of the America's, on a Saturday, in the winter with half the USA and all of Canada snowed under...

 

[VFOURMAX1]

Problem PD have is they are swimming against a 20 year tide of people getting used to racing games where winning against AI is everything and less about the quality and enjoyment of racing.

Well I'm afraid Sport Mode isn't for them then if they have no desire to get better. It doesn't take much to get to DR B pace in all honesty, just basic racing and driving theory gets you that far. The hard work is actually finding and extracting the final 2 seconds or so of ultimate pace. People with no desire to improve can go and race the AI and have their ego massaged for easy wins there

No, the problem is with some of those at the upper ranking levels whos thinking that anyone else of a lower level or pace does not have as much right to enjoy and play the game at the level they prefer.

There are REAL RACERS, RACING REAL CARS ON ACTUAL REAL TRACKS that are perfectly content to club race in a certain class for years on end.

I guess by your definition seeing as your video game racing expertise makes you such a real world expert on everything racing that those real world racers that have club raced the lower classes for years have no desire or no idea about the quality and enjoyment of racing period by your statement.

A person does not have to be in the fastest class or at what would be deemed a pro level to have fun racing and this applies not only to the real world but the gaming world as well.

Enjoying playing a game takes on many different aspects depending on the individual involved. If you find enjoyment looking for that final seconds of the ultimate pace more power to you, have at it.

Not everyone has that same goal or desire by a long shot.

Were all of your 66 race wins and 53 Pole positions against full fields of 20 only A+ racers or did you also have non competitive lower ranked players within those lobbies while you built your stats? If those grids were not full A+ every race then I guess that is how you massage your ego, building those wins up how did you say it exactly?

Oh yeah, "and have their egos massaged for easy wins". Pot calling the kettle black if your races were not all 100% full of only A+ GRIDS OF RACERS and you picked up any easier wins as a result!

I think the idea of Sport Mode being about competitive online racing has gone over a few heads.

I think the DRIVERS OF EQUAL LEVEL TOGETHER IS APPARENTLY WAY OVER THE HEAD AND APPARENTLY BEYOND THE COMPREHENSION OF SOME HERE!

But just who the hell do you think you are to tell me or any other racer how to interpret what is considered to "the quality and enjoyment of racing"?

What do you think gives you the right to tell me or any other racer what pace I need to run for it to meet the criteria to be the quality and enjoyment of racing?

Is it your elitist attitude (which is shining brightly I may add!) or is it your apparently overly bloated ego that thinks you are the only one entitled to an opinion concerning Sport Mode racing and what is or is not thought to be fair throughout the different level ranking of all the Sport Mode players?

Same goes for telling the majority of the player base the should just go race the AI that sport mode is not for them.

Did you buy PD and suddenly change what they list as the vision for the future of Sport Mode? If not maybe you should read what the actual game developer has to say about Sport Mode and yes it totally contradicts everything that you say on the subject!

Why does it seem so many that reach the top levels in this game all of a sudden act like that is the only level that matters and the game should revolve around the players who lack the numbers in daily races to fill their own grids within their own ranking?

You may think you are important and all that because you are at the top of the rankings but when push comes to shove and PD looks at where they make their dollars your top ranking is insignificant in the real world it is going to come back to what strokes that bottom line and fills the real world bank account and keeps Sony writing checks.

There can be room within this game for all levels of play and for the longevity of sport mode that would be the best result for everyone.

 

[F4H Rosso]

A weight penalty for being good. I mean what?!

Just like Call of Duty gives better players less gun damage, or League of Legends limits champions for people above diamond...

Crazy idea.

 

[Groundfish]

If you want to improve it’s all there. Replays sector times literally videos explaining a good way to do it driving aids circuit experience mission challenge etc.
From my starting point with no driving game experience except ridge racer 20 years ago it’s been a lot of work for sure to be a low b sr 99 ON A FEW TRACKS. I don’t have all the tracks down nor would I race on all of them. For me 4-6 months of work most of which has been offline. I am around 80 races total. For me a race is an event. I never entered a race where I couldn’t at least run a general reliable line without crashing.
It’s a racing game-I honestly believe it IS humbling for a lot of participants. If they do not find joy in the process of improvement and only want a chance to win it’s not gonna happen and people like that will never be players long term regardless.
For myself, I find I improve bit by bit day by day just by pressing on. For me just the experience of even time trials is fun because I like driving.
There’s been a lot of doom and gloom comments on this thread but my experience from this game has only been positive. Seriously for the price. I think I payed 50-60 bucks for unlimited access to an awesome entertainment source and if I did the math on what it cost me per hour it’s not much.
I know that when I dropped to sr b mid pack was very very chaotic with cars not even close to the racing line people making contact trying overtakes in stupid places crashing each other out etc and mistakes a lot then sr a much better than s 95% very clean competent racing.
To me the game provides a working system for those who wish to improve to do so and also for those who race clean to do so. A 50 dollar video game. If you think that you are owed a personalized race experience whereby matchmaking is dictated by your level of enjoyment and done to suit you as an individual I am afraid you may want to rethink your perspective. Not gonna happen.
Literally I think it’s great. I get cars setup the same as everyone else using those cars so it’s up to me. I can jump in and drive whenever I want. I don’t have to waste time bothering about learning suspension setup tire pillows tire pressures damp rates spring rates and all the techie stuff. But yet that’s in there too!
Somehow I think it’s a trend for folks online to complain about things. One aspect that would ruin it for me would be racing against folks with custom setup cars that are on rails compared to mine. That’s not fair.
All this doom and gloom about a game that provides so much for so little makes no sense to me.
I have had good luck with matchmaking and I have won as a d dr so it’s possible. I keep checking this thread for some reason and I need to stop. So much arguing and doom and gloom.
I know one thing I would be really sad if gt sport online stopped being available tomorrow. I sure as heck am not gonna buy a gaming pc. For a fifty dollar investment you really get an awful lot. I forgot they add tracks in updates as you go and cars! As of yet no charge for that.
My take on this issue is definitely opposite the doom and gloom. I’m having a good time with it and if it became unavailable it would be a big loss.

 

[F4H Rosso]

No, the problem is with some of those at the upper ranking levels whos thinking that anyone else of a lower level or pace does not have as much right to enjoy and play the game at the level they prefer.

There are REAL RACERS, RACING REAL CARS ON ACTUAL REAL TRACKS that are perfectly content to club race in a certain class for years on end.

I guess by your definition seeing as your video game racing expertise makes you such a real world expert on everything racing that those real world racers that have club raced the lower classes for years have no desire or no idea about the quality and enjoyment of racing period by your statement.

A person does not have to be in the fastest class or at what would be deemed a pro level to have fun racing and this applies not only to the real world but the gaming world as well.

Enjoying playing a game takes on many different aspects depending on the individual involved. If you find enjoyment looking for that final seconds of the ultimate pace more power to you, have at it.

Not everyone has that same goal or desire by a long shot.

Were all of your 66 race wins and 53 Pole positions against full fields of 20 only A+ racers or did you also have non competitive lower ranked players within those lobbies while you built your stats? If those grids were not full A+ every race then I guess that is how you massage your ego, building those wins up how did you say it exactly?

Oh yeah, "and have their egos massaged for easy wins". Pot calling the kettle black if your races were not all 100% full of only A+ GRIDS OF RACERS and you picked up any easier wins as a result!


I think the DRIVERS OF EQUAL LEVEL TOGETHER IS APPARENTLY WAY OVER THE HEAD AND APPARENTLY BEYOND THE COMPREHENSION OF SOME HERE!

But just who the hell do you think you are to tell me or any other racer how to interpret what is considered to "the quality and enjoyment of racing"?

What do you think gives you the right to tell me or any other racer what pace I need to run for it to meet the criteria to be the quality and enjoyment of racing?

Is it your elitist attitude (which is shining brightly I may add!) or is it your apparently overly bloated ego that thinks you are the only one entitled to an opinion concerning Sport Mode racing and what is or is not thought to be fair throughout the different level ranking of all the Sport Mode players?

Same goes for telling the majority of the player base the should just go race the AI that sport mode is not for them.

Did you buy PD and suddenly change what they list as the vision for the future of Sport Mode? If not maybe you should read what the actual game developer has to say about Sport Mode and yes it totally contradicts everything that you say on the subject!

Why does it seem so many that reach the top levels in this game all of a sudden act like that is the only level that matters and the game should revolve around the players who lack the numbers in daily races to fill their own grids within their own ranking?

You may think you are important and all that because you are at the top of the rankings but when push comes to shove and PD looks at where they make their dollars your top ranking is insignificant in the real world it is going to come back to what strokes that bottom line and fills the real world bank account and keeps Sony writing checks.

There can be room within this game for all levels of play and for the longevity of sport mode that would be the best result for everyone.

Sorry for the double post but had to reply to this one.

Your post is riddled with assumptions about Matt which is grossly unfair. Healthy debate is fine but you've clearly taken whatever he has said personally. A quick check on Kudos prime shows that Matt has 66 Race wins. 19 of those are FIA, an EXTREMELY high proportion compared the most of the player base. He's also been 75k DR for 50 days. Its a safe bet to say that there's no ego massaging going on there but if it makes you feel better I guess...

I'd also like to ask if ANYBODY can tell me a skill based matchmaking system that works in the way most people are requesting because I'm pretty certain that there's nothing out there. Any franchise.

 

[kjeldsen]

That's the funniest thing I've read today so congrats on that

I entertained that idea for a few seconds, it would be similar to putting the A+ drivers into Gr4 cars and C/D's into Gr3 the level of BoP required to level the field. I don't see that leading to absolute carnage at all! Also the central problem at the moment is a lack of incentives for A+ and A drivers to compete in Dailies, how is that supposed to help?

Why should Lewis Hamilton then have to be slapped with huge handicaps because the Sunday driver can't be bothered? I think the idea of Sport Mode being about competitive online racing has gone over a few heads.

Thank you, i wasn't really serious but it could be fun if the A+ drivers would have to fight for their victories.. i would much rather have Lewis racing someone his own level.

Well I'm afraid Sport Mode isn't for them then if they have no desire to get better.

Who says they don't have a desire to get better? And how can you judge who is to play GT-Sport? A field of closely matched players equals more happy players and happy players keep playing.

 

[TetsuKobura]

I'd also like to ask if ANYBODY can tell me a skill based matchmaking system that works in the way most people are requesting because I'm pretty certain that there's nothing out there. Any franchise.

Prioritize DR over SR, so that people with bad SRs as a result of a terrible race don't get matched with potentially even worse drivers. This would also stop lower rated drivers from whining when random higher ranked drivers end up randomly joining their races.

 

[F4H Rosso]

Thank you, i wasn't really serious but it could be fun if the A+ drivers would have to fight for their victories.. i would much rather have Lewis racing someone his own level.

Who says they don't have a desire to get better? And how can you judge who is to play GT-Sport? A field of closely matched players equals more happy players and happy players keep playing.

Point A) DR pretty much directly correlates with race craft (more control over vehicle, better awareness/reading of situations etc). Artificially forcing faster drivers to race in the pack causes one thing, accidents.

Point B) Not really. A lot of the posts on the thread are about the ability to win, not the ability to have a close race. Sport Mode was always marketed as a mode built for competition. If the aim is fun and happiness, there's an entire lobby system included in the game to cater to people with differing outlooks. League racing also exists.

 

[cjr3559]

Tying DR and SR to each track (and maybe car GR) separately would solve a lot of issues imo. Having a safety and speed rating per track means your DR and SR is directly tied to your experience on that track and you wont have high DR max SR people entering a track with zero experience there. The game can still calculate an overall DR/SR rating as well, yet for matching it would be better to use separate ratings for each track/car combo.

I’ve been saying this since the closed beta.

 

[VFOURMAX1]

assumptions about Matt

My assumptions about Matt stem solely from the responses and the attitude he has shown within this thread concerning racers of lower rankings concerning Sport Mode and from his comments and attitude portrayed as a result I do not feel my comments or conclusions are unwarranted or undeserved for the most part.

The ego massaging was initiated by him towards the lower ranked sport mode players wanting to race equal competition.

 

[kjeldsen]

Point A) DR pretty much directly correlates with race craft (more control over vehicle, better awareness/reading of situations etc). Artificially forcing faster drivers to race in the pack causes one thing, accidents.

Point B) Not really. A lot of the posts on the thread are about the ability to win, not the ability to have a close race. Sport Mode was always marketed as a mode built for competition. If the aim is fun and happiness, there's an entire lobby system included in the game to cater to people with differing outlooks. League racing also exists.

This may come as a surprise, but the real battle is in midfield, it does not take faster drivers in the midfield to cause accidents, they are there and there is enough of them (and would they be that much faster with a handicap?) But that is really not an interesting discussion since i would much rather have fast drivers racing against other fast racers. Which is the main point of this discussion, split the drivers based on speed because competition happens on more than one skill level.

There is a big difference between a close race for 12th place and for the podium. As i posted earlier progression, rewards and a sense of accomplishment is what keeps players playing. As it is now there is not a real chance for the vast majority of players of winning a Weekly race. I looked through 22 screenshots i made of line ups for weekly races. Except for the Nurburgring where i Qualified when it was opened (and got a artificially good time) i was typically midfield or below and clearly slower than the Pole. It did not matter if i was C or B rated. Expecting every player to get to A+ in order to get a fair chance of a win is a tad extreme..

 

[O604]

I haven't seen anyone asking for easy wins. Only for a more consistent even playing field.

It feels like everyone is in agreement that the matchmaking could be better. But won't agree that they agree for whatever reason.

I mean, if given the choice no one here is favor of matching DR - A+/A, B, C, D together right?