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Happy no more Force Awakens spoiler tags required day. :)

Picked this up today. Should fill in some of the story before the movie. Just inside the front slip cover though, there's a small description for each of the 3 main characters. The one for Rey piqued my interest. It says "...a young woman who calls herself Rey..." So are we to assume that's not her real name?

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Terronium-12
https://www.change.org/p/disney-george-lucas-back-to-the-star-wars-movies

"Let's petition to bring back the man that ruined the prequels with inconsistent storytelling, made unnecessary changes to the original trilogy that, in some cases, detracts from the intended emotion, and made Greedo shoot first because... reasons. "

Yes, let's do this!
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English isn't his first language and his logic skills are lacking. I'm just hoping he is young and the dialogue translation doesn't come across as clunky.

In a foreign language the Anakin/Padme scenes could be some of the greatest romantic dialogue since Romeo and Juliet.

But he just sounds like one of those young guys who is emotionally attached to the original creator and can't see why he is becoming irrelevant.
 
So I started reading that book last night. The first chapter is about Finn, and it explains A LOT about how he was able to wield the lightsaber the way he did, as he has had hand to hand combat training and was considered by Captain Phasma to be the best stormtrooper in her group. Also gives some back story on some of the other stormtroopers, including the one that calls him a traitor at Maz's castle (FN-2099) and the one that may have put the bloody hand streak on his helmet in the opening sequence. (FN-2003)

Rey is next up, will read that tonight.
 
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FoolKiller
In a foreign language the Anakin/Padme scenes could be some of the greatest romantic dialogue since Romeo and Juliet.
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:lol:

LOL NO.

It's painfull to watch Episode II in ANY language. The Padme/Anakin lines aren't any better in spanish.
 
Started on the Rey chapter of that book last night but didn't finish it. The biggest surprise was that while scavenging she found a nearly intact ship and spent months trying to rebuild it enough to get it working.

I'll try to do a complete breakdown of the book (in spoiler tags just in case some of you want to read it) when I finish.
 
MoLiEG
:lol:

LOL NO.

It's painfull to watch Episode II in ANY language. The Padme/Anakin lines aren't any better in spanish.
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Padme much better in Russian language, while Anakin's lines should be done with Vader's voice.
 
TwinTurbo LM
Anakin? Romantic? :lol:
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More to the point ... Romeo? Romantic?

I know that it's a classic tale of two star-crossed lovers and all that, but if you look carefully at times, he's really just a horny teenager trying to get over a heartbreak.

Seriously - when Montague asks Benvolio to talk to Romeo, Romeo admits that his unusual behaviour is a response to his then-muse Rosalind rejecting his advances. Benvolio suggests sneaking into the Capulet party because Romeo will easily find a passing fling to ease his heartache, and that's exactly what he does. As soon as he meets Juliet, he completely forgets Rosalind (she is never mentioned again), and large parts of their early dialogue - the talk of saints being sinners and the first parts of the garden scene - amount to Romeo saying "let's get naked and have fun" (and Juliet seeing right through him).
 
Man, you are super negative on most stuff aren't you? Yes, their relationship began as infatuation turned to lust. But to stop at the balcony scene has to be purposely leaving out half the story to fit your premise.

Explain how a story that is only about a man just trying to have a meaningless fling ends with suicide over not being able to be together. That's a severe case of blue balls.
 
FoolKiller
Man, you are super negative on most stuff aren't you? Yes, their relationship began as infatuation turned to lust. But to stop at the balcony scene has to be purposely leaving out half the story to fit your premise.
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I teach Romeo and Juliet to my Year 9 students every year. One of my favourite exercises is to get my students to consider whether or not Romeo and Juliet are actually in love; it's great because it teaches them how to construct an argunent.

I believe that the brilliance of Shakespeare lies in the way you can take alternative approaches to it. Richard III is a prime example of this; on the one hand, Richard is a tyrant and an unfit ruler, but on the other, he is the only man with the foresight to recognise that peace has not come to England and that he has altruistic intentions despite his questionable methods.

The same applies to Romeo and Juliet - for example, everyone thinks that Juliet is flighty and sheltered, and yet if you read the party and balcony scenes, she is clever enough to not only see straight through Romeo's intentions, but also leads him into making a commitment up-front. Likewise, it is easy to write Romeo off as a romantic and a dreamer with only a slender grasp on the practical reality of the world, but he is the only character to recognise the madness of the Montague-Capulet feud and put aside his family pride.

Explain how a story that is only about a man just trying to have a meaningless fling ends with suicide over not being able to be together.
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Because he is a teenager and he acts like one. He doesn't stop to consider the consequences of his actions. The real tragedy of the play lies in the way fate and circumstance seemingly conspire to rob two people of happiness when arguably they are the two people who deserve it the most.

Personally, I'm not the biggest fan of Romeo and Juliet. It was one of Shakespeare's first tragedies after he stopped his historical plays and the decline in popularity of the revenge tragedies like Titus Andronicus, and I think it shows; popular as it is, it's quite amateurish at times. It was important in establishing his familiarity with Aristotlean and Jacobean tragedies, but the likes of Macbeth, Othello, Hamlet and King Lear are considerably better.
 
prisonermonkeys
Because he is a teenager and he acts like one. He doesn't stop to consider the consequences of his actions.
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But there lies the entire point. They don't see the world in a cynical, adult view, where their relationship is still just puppy love. To them they are in love. Their perception is what matters. Are they in love? Yes, because they believe they are.

To say they aren't in love is like me saying cyber bullying and name calling isn't real bullying. For me there is no blood and bruises and I know that 10 years from now their life will be completely different, but in their adolescent minds it is the worst thing that can happen. I can't brush it aside because it wouldn't bother adult me.

Their emotional state when they don't believe they can be together is the same as mine would be if I lost my wife or daughter.


Edit: Wait, are you an English lit or writing teacher?
 
FoolKiller
But there lies the entire point. They don't see the world in a cynical, adult view, where their relationship is still just puppy love.
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All interpretations that I am well aware of. I'm simply offering my personal opinion.

FoolKiller
Wait, are you an English lit or writing teacher?
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That's kind of hard for me to answer, since I don't really know how you distinguishing between them, and I do both of the above and more. Our version of English tends to be very conceptual, and while we study works of literarure (and sometimes non-literature), it's almost always framed by something. To give you an example, this is what our Year 12 course looks like (the individual texts vary based on the school):
  • The Area of Study, which is very broad and look at a single idea; starting last year, it was "Discovery". So we look at what the process of discovery involves and how it impacts on the individual. I do The Motorcycle Diaries and we look at how Che Guevara's round trip of South America turned a relatively young man into a Marxist revolutionary through the process of discovery and how it affects them. For example, in Chile he meets a woman with asthma, and is shocked that it is readily treatable in Argentina, but a crippling condition in Chile.
  • Module A, where we look at the ways in which a composer's context shapes the concerns of their text. I do Richard III in its Elizabethan comtext and Looking for Richard in the context of 1990s America and look at - among other things - society's understanding of the way evil manifests itself.
  • Module B, where we look at critical interpretations of a single text. I do Michael Ondaatje's In the Skin of a Lion, and we look at postmodern, post-colonial, Marxist and feminist interpretations.
  • Module C, where we look at a composer's representation of a subject in their work. I do selected poems by WH Auden ("Epitaph on a Tyrant", "The Unknown Citizen", "O what is that sound?", "Spain", "September 1, 1939", "The Shield of Achilles" and "In Memory of WB Yeats") and we look at the ways his political views and how these are tied to human nature show through. For example, "September 1, 1939" starts out with Auden reflecting on his time in Europe and expressing his disgust at the American public's apparent lack of concern for a continent on the brink of war, but the poem becomes cathartic as he realises that what he wrote off as naïvety is really the last defence against the cynicism that is threatening to overwhelm him, and that if everybody gave into it, the world would be doomed, even without the threat of war.
Although I do want to change some of my texts this year.
 
prisonermonkeys
That's kind of hard for me to answer, since I don't really know how you distinguishing between them, and I do both of the above and more.
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Based on your module descriptions I'd say it is what we call a literature course. A writing course is to teach people how to write.

I only ask because it is often teachers of these subjects that give the impression of being negative towards a lot of pop culture films and books. In the forward to one of the short story collections he helped edit Orson Scott Card said that creative writing teachers take the creativity out of writing. Having taken a creative writing course in college, I see his point.

It might just be an American thing, but it might explain why people accuse you of being overly critical.
 
FoolKiller
A writing course is to teach people how to write.
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We do a lot of that in the junior years. Most of it is geared towards the high-concept stuff that we cover in the senior years.

FoolKiller
I only ask because it is often teachers of these subjects that give the impression of being negative towards a lot of pop culture films and books.
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No, I agree with that. Some of the people I work with are hyper-critical of it in general.

FoolKiller
It might just be an American thing, but it might explain why people accuse you of being overly critical.
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No, I'm just fussy. I'm pretty set in my ways, especially when it comes to what I like and what I don't like. I can be convinced or persuaded to change my mind, but it does take a lot of effort at times. For example, if JJ Abrams ever makes a good film, then I will acknowledge it accordingly. But, as established, I am yet to be convinced. I see an enormous chasm between the quality of his films and the reputation that he is trying to establish for himself.
 
So, just seen it for the second time, took my 15yr old daughter along. She grew up with episodes 1 - 3, and really enjoyed this one. I'm now thinking that Rey is a Kinobe - her accent and her movements on Starkiller seem to mirror Obi Wan.
 
jimipitbull
So, just seen it for the second time, took my 15yr old daughter along. She grew up with episodes 1 - 3, and really enjoyed this one. I'm now thinking that Rey is a Kinobe - her accent and her movements on Starkiller seem to mirror Obi Wan.
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This is an interesting idea. Although we have no prior knowledge of him having a child.
 
Kamuifanboy
This is an interesting idea. Although we have no prior knowledge of him having a child.
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Not necessarily through a child of his - we also have no knowledge of any Kinobe siblings. But I sort of think he has been too important throughout the series for his bloodline not to re emerge at some point.
 
jimipitbull
Not necessarily through a child of his - we also have no knowledge of any Kinobe siblings. But I sort of think he has been too important throughout the series for his bloodline not to re emerge at some point.
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I REALLY want a Kenobe movie with Ewan, he was the best part of the prequels. I think one taking place shortly after Episode III with him finding out Darth Maul is still alive and tracking him down would be awesome, but given the trailer shown yesterday for the Rebels S2.5 may have him in it, I don't think they would be able to make the Obi Wan movie work the way I would want it to.

Went and saw TFA again tonight with my brother (5th time for me, 2nd for him). Tried to bring my Aunt along since she hasn't seen it yet but the Cardinals Packers game apparently was more important.
 
I was just coming in to report the same. It doesn't bother me one bit because it kicks ass seeing a Star Wars movie right around Christmas time.
 

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